GGG vs Canelo = Robbery of the year candidate?

[ArtemV]

It was quite close, but GGG had a clear lead of around 5 rounds.

 

[quincy k]

Which were literally all jabs.

Canelo out landed him in power punches let alone MUCH cleaner ones.

It qas a close fight that could have gone either way. No robbery.

lmfao

canelo landed a whopping four more power punches. and to say that canelo landed the MUCH cleaner ones is purely subjective

and to discount a jab is purely moronic as is not factoring in that golovkin held the center of the ring with ring generalship

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ggg-vs-canelo-who-won.3622809/

 

[Rico]

lmfao

canelo landed a whopping four more power punches. and to say that canelo landed the MUCH cleaner ones is purely subjective

and to discount a jab is purely moronic.

I didn't discount anything. It was a close fight. No robbery. I get you and Stuff feel your mancrush was robbed but I'm fine with having the fight scored close either way...and the draw.

And you're telling me that I'm wrong that a large portion of GGG offense wasn't blocked, glancing blows or slipped all together? Or just gonna toss out random ad hominems because you're butthurt your mancrush didn't win. I get you love punch stats so much but they're not the only indicator how a fight should be scored. GGG easily won most of the middle rounds. Canelo easily won the first few rounds and came on late and I thought he edged most of the last quarter of the fight. It was a close fight that I thought Canelo let slip away by taking the middle rounds off (which is something he's always been criticized for though I think ggg relentless pressure and pace helped that).

Close fight, no robbery. You acting like I'm agreeing with Adelaide Bird and lashing out like a petulant child highlights your bias.

Cheers. Hope you did well last night with your bets.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Yeah Canelo was robbed.

Build a wall.

 

[Yourstepdad]

This is why I hate boxing. It's why I find it hard to get excited about it after following it for forty years.
1. Las Vegas, gambling capitol of the world. What a smart choice for a championship fight. No worries about fixed fights, no worries about bribed officials.
2. Look, give me a reasonable decision if you must, but what's with the huge disparity between the two of the judges and the total outlier who had Canelo winning SEVEN rounds??
3. After seeing how close the fight was, either way (except for the idiot that had Alvarez winning 7 rounds), don't fans and fighters deserve a win/lose decision? Hint: yeah, they all do.
4. Way too easy to see the obvious setup for a rematch. That isn't really fair as Canelo was beat and GGG is getting older, but the money (VEGAS!!!) is what matters, right?

I prefer MMA as they seem to have fewer of these "draws", especially in a big fight like this. Sure, MMA has some ridiculous calls, but not even close to what you get with boxing.

So "because" the Sweet Science is being abused you hate it? GTFO you dislike boxing to begin with.

I absolutely loved the GGG-Canelo fight

I hated the scoring but that is something else

 

[quincy k]

I didn't discount anything. It was a close fight. No robbery. I get you and Stuff feel your mancrush was robbed but I'm fine with having the fight scored close either way...and the draw.

And you're telling me that I'm wrong that a large portion of GGG offense wasn't blocked, glancing blows or slipped all together? Or just gonna toss out random ad hominems because you're butthurt your mancrush didn't win. I get you love punch stats so much but they're not the only indicator how a fight should be scored. GGG easily won most of the middle rounds. Canelo easily won the first few rounds and came on late and I thought he edged most of the last quarter of the fight. It was a close fight that I thought Canelo let slip away by taking the middle rounds off (which is something he's always been criticized for though I think ggg relentless pressure and pace helped that).

Close fight, no robbery. You acting like I'm agreeing with Adelaide Bird and lashing out highlights your bias.

Cheers. Hope you did well last night with your bets.

when did i say golovkin was robbed and why do you think that glovkin is my mancrush?

because i am discounting a statement of someone, somehow, discrediting the value of a jab?

i really like the way that you need to put words in other people mouths to create an argument

i dont have a problem with a draw, i would have had a problem with a canelo win as would most people as live betting had canelo a whopping +450 going into the final round and a +333 after the fight

lmfao, canelo easily won the first few rounds. explain how alvarez won the first, third and fourth as you say, easily.

the first four rounds, imo, were a split at best for canelo

 

[randomg1t]

Which were literally all jabs.

Canelo out landed him in power punches let alone MUCH cleaner ones.

It qas a close fight that could have gone either way. No robbery.

you say it was literally all jabs, as if jabs don't count. since when do jabs not count? have i missed a memo?

canelo out landed him in power punches by a whopping 4 punches. 110 to 114 isn't much of a difference. 218 to 169 is.

people who say pressure and jabs and ring control don't matter, but countering powershots do, are acting like golovkin didn't land an almost identical number of power punches. yes, he missed a bunch of his shots. he also threw a lot more, and had a similar connect percentage. he won this fight any which way you slice it.

 

[Rico]

when did i say golovkin was robbed and why do you think that glovkin is my mancrush?

because i am discounting an idiotic statement of someone, somehow, discrediting the value of a jab?

i really like the way that you need to put words in other people mouths to create an argument

i dont have a problem with a dra, i would have had a rpbelm with a canelo win as would most people as live betting had canelo a whopping +450 going into the final round and a +333 after the fight

Please quote where I discounted anything or said a jab doesn't matter. Go ahead I'll wait...

My whole point in that post was Canelo was outjabbed (which would be completely expected of the pressure fighter) not dominated from pillar to post.

And those live lines makes sense if most had GGG up a round or two. Who do you think won the 12th?

It's like you guys are completely ignoring the fact I'm completely fine with someone scoring the fight close for GGG. Either guy could have gotten the nod.

 

[Rapid Counter]

People still believe compubox numbers?

If anyone was robbed it was Canelo. At best GGG should have had a draw, at worst Canelo should of got the draw.

Constant pressure with no end product is useless. GGG hitting arms and gloves all night don't cut it.

 

[Rico]

you say it was literally all jabs, as if jabs don't count. since when do jabs not count? have i missed a memo?

canelo out landed him in power punches by a whopping 4 punches. 110 to 114 isn't much of a difference. 218 to 169 is.

people who say pressure and jabs and ring control don't matter, but countering powershots do, are acting like golovkin didn't land an almost identical number of power punches. yes, he missed a bunch of his shots. he also threw a lot more, and had a similar connect percentage. he won this fight any which way you slice it.

Jesus that's not what I meant lol

My point was that he was out jabbed and only outjabbed. I thought Canelo landed the harder, cleaner power punches. I haven't looked at the round by round stats (because IDGAF about compubox) but I'd be willing to bet most of that discrepancy was from the middle rounds.

AGAIN I'm saying it was a close fight that could have been scored either way. I'm not arguing he should have got the nod. I'm fine with 115-113 ggg or even 116-112 on the very loose end. But I'm also fine with 115-113 Canelo and the draw. That's my opinion.

 

[Losfer Words]

A draw is not robbery for that fight. That one score card is pretty bad though.

 

[The Adder]

As time goes by people will get over their initial emotions and realize it was close and the draw was justifiable.

 

[quincy k]

Please quote where I discounted anything or said a jab doesn't matter. Go ahead I'll wait...

My whole point in that post was Canelo was outjabbed (which would be completely expected of the pressure fighter) not dominated from pillar to post.

And those live lines makes sense if most had GGG up a round or two. Who do you think won the 12th?

It's like you guys are completely ignoring the fact I'm completely fine with someone scoring the fight close for GGG. Either guy could have gotten the nod.

i dont think many people are saying that canelo was dominated, i believe most people believed that canelo lost.

i think canelo won the 12th and like i said i dont have a problem with a draw. maybe a draw is a bad decision but not a robbery.

canelo winning would be a bad decision, maybe a robbery.

i saw nothing in that fight to say that canelo won the fight from the fourth round on, the first three 2-1 either way.

 

[Bogotazo]

I think a draw or a point for GGG is about right, no way is a draw unreasonable. If so I'd like the proponents of that theory to tell me the 7 rock solid inarguable rounds that Golovkin won

 

[Rico]

i dont think many people are saying that canelo was dominated, i believe most people believed that canelo lost.

i think canelo won the 12th and like i said i dont have a problem with a draw. maybe a draw is a bad decision but not a robbery.

canelo winning would be a bad decision, maybe a robbery.

i saw nothing in that fight to say that canelo won the fight from the fourth round on, the first three 2-1 either way.

Cool. Good for them. I saw Canelo winning the first 3 clean and edging 2 of the last 3 and stealing 1 or 2 in the middle rounds. GGG was VERY effective with his pressure in those middle rounds.

Actually, if you're looking at the fight in sections I'd watch 1-3 then 10-12 and maybe reconsider how close anyone thinks it was.

Tough fight to score but I really think had Canelo not given away so many of the middle rounds it would have been quite wide for him. Obviously that's an if though. This was actually very similar to Ward/Kovalev 1 in the regard it couldn't have been a robbery either way.. He was actually having huge success with his left hook and body work that he just abandoned after the first few. Adelaide Bird should never be allowed to judge a fight again, though. How the fuck do you give canelo 10 rounds? Fucking insanity.

 

[quincy k]

See I saw Canelo winning the first 3 clean and edging 2 of the last 3 and stealing one in the middle rounds.

Actually, if you're looking at the fight in sections I'd watch 1-3 then 10-12 and maybe reconsider how close you think it wasn't.

Tough fight to score but I really think had Canelo not given away so many of the middle rounds it would have been quite wide for him. He was actually having huge success with his left hook and body work that he just abandoned after the first few.

this is where your bias is showing.

perhaps canelo did not give away the middle rounds and golovkin actually won them? maybe canelo was lucky to survive the middle rounds as golovkin was very close to landing his overhand right when canelo would lean back, hands down, to avoid it.


http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Sa...lovkin-PlaybyPlay-RoundbyRound-Scoring-126881

alvarez was a +500 going into the 11th.

like i said, i dont have a problem with a draw as i have seen way, way worse scorecards and before i bet the fight i knew that there was a chance of golovkin not getting a fair deal.

i live bet canelo +400 and +500 and posted as such on the betting forum citing adelaine bryd as my reasoning

 

[nateallan]

Canelo won 1,2,3,6,10,11 and 12. He landed the better combinations, body punches, and defensively was better. GGG had a great jab and aggression, But most of his power punches was either completely or partially glove blocked or Canelo rolled with the punch. Very few clean effective power punches by GGG. IMO the body punches won it for Canelo. Body punches count just as much as head punches and Canelo landed many of them.

 

[lfd0311]

I am not even going to talk about the idiotic 118-110 scorecard, because I can't see how anyone would score this a draw or for Canelo. This is a competitive fight, but Canelo did not do enough for a win. He got overwhelmed by GGG and had to take nearly all middle rounds off.

Would love to see a scorecard round by round of anyone who does not have it for GGG. For me, this is a clear robbery. Stats show it. Media scorecards show it. Even most fans agree.

1. 10-9 Canelo
   
   
2. 10-9 Canelo
   
   
3. 10-10
   
   
4. 9-10 GGG
   
   
5. 9-10 GGG
   
   
6. 9-10 GGG
   
   
7. 9-10 GGG
   
   
8. 10-9 Canelo
   
   
9. 9-10 GGG
   
   
10. 10-9 Canelo
    
    
11. 10-9 Canelo
    
    
12. 10-9 Canelo

115-114 Canelo

That's my scorecard as I scored it live.

 

[Rico]

this is where your bias is showing.

perhaps canelo did not give away the middle rounds and golovkin actually won them? maybe canelo was lucky to survive the middle rounds as golovkin was very close to landing his overhand right when canelo would lean back, hands down, to avoid it.


http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Sa...lovkin-PlaybyPlay-RoundbyRound-Scoring-126881

alvarez was a +500 going into the 11th.

like i said, i dont have a problem with a draw as i have seen way, way worse scorecards and before i bet the fight i knew that there was a chance of golovkin not getting a fair deal.

i live bet canelo +400 and +500 and posted as such on the betting forum citing adelaine bryd as my reasoning

Nah "giving them away" is a phrase dude. GGG did work in the middle rounds. It was a close fight. Not a robbery lol.

I will mention that Canelo has been criticized for exactly that in that in the past...and hanging out on the ropes for extended periods of time but we can just pretend that's not true...

 

[IndyCovaHart]

The stage for the unscrupulously manufactured rematch has been set and everybody bitching and moaning will tune in.

You may as well prepare yourself for a manufactured rubber match, too.

This time DeLaHoya will hit the ref with a steel chair. The title can't change hands on a DQ!!!!!