GGG is gonna require that any future opponent be enrolled in the VADA testing

[Marc A]

If this is true, then I suppose it's sauce for the goose. Every promoter is probably the cliche crook we envision, and if they aren't, then they aren't worth mentioning at the top.

Is normal, even if it sullies the dignity of the sport.

I think most try to negotiate in good faith, just interesting how Loeffler is being tagged as a lair when it comes to negotiations a pattern that is becoming apparent

Or saving face tactics ( wich would be lies)
I don't think casuals were clamoring for an explanation on why GGG choose to fight a fighter not in his weight class and coming from a couple of losses yet Loeffler took it upon himself to say others were not available

 

[wilddeuces]

No I think we should just allow PED use tbh. Under the supervision of a doctor of course just like men on test replacement therapy. PEDs dont make fighters more skillful or knowledgeable about the sport. They're mainly used for injuries and allow fighters to train harder and longer. You have sports like NFL where they're all on it and its worked out okay. If they weren't the sport might not be as entertaining.

You take a kid in poverty, knowing that sports is one of the very few realistic ways out, and then, create an industry where you have to erode your body's natural development by using PED's and then put them through the grinder of competitive sports, then you end up with poor kids with no options, having to destroy themselves (in a way worse than training naturally). Then they end up being retired young, with a shortened life, or at the very least, a shortened quality of life. Look at a fighter with bitch tits like Vitor Belfort. He ruined everything about himself. He accelerated the loss youth by trying to enhance it.

You actually keep that person in a "problem" of sorts. Then these people become a burden on the families and the social services systems in place because they can't function on their own.

You're just creating a different sort of problem by opening widening the epidemic.

 

[Marc A]

No I think we should just allow PED use tbh. Under the supervision of a doctor of course just like men on test replacement therapy. PEDs dont make fighters more skillful or knowledgeable about the sport. They're mainly used for injuries and allow fighters to train harder and longer. You have sports like NFL where they're all on it and its worked out okay. If they weren't the sport might not be as entertaining.

To qoute British Journal of Sports Medicine: "Performance enhancement is not against the spirit of sport; it is the spirit of sport. To choose to be better is to be human. Athletes should be the given this choice

Drugs are against the rules. But we define the rules of sport. If we made drugs legal and freely available, there would be no cheating


We have two choices: to vainly try to turn the clock back, or to rethink who we are and what sport is."

 

[Julius_Caesar]

You take a kid in poverty, knowing that sports is one of the very few realistic ways out, and then, create an industry where you have to erode your body's natural development by using PED's and then put them through the grinder of competitive sports, then you end up with poor kids with no options, having to destroy themselves (in a way worse than training naturally). Then they end up being retired young, with a shortened life, or at the very least, a shortened quality of life. Look at a fighter with bitch tits like Vitor Belfort. He ruined everything about himself. He accelerated the loss youth by trying to enhance it.

You actually keep that person in a "problem" of sorts. Then these people become a burden on the families and the social services systems in place because they can't function on their own.

You're just creating a different sort of problem by opening widening the epidemic.

Well bitch tits are usually connected to an imbalance in hormones which is mostly due to steroids and if not done correctly can mess with your natural test levels. I'm talking more on the lines of EPO and a low doses of hgh. But hey there are problems that come with anything. People are gonna find loop holes and PED use will always be around. At least if its legal you have professionals supervising.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

To qoute British Journal of Sports Medicine: "Performance enhancement is not against the spirit of sport; it is the spirit of sport. To choose to be better is to be human. Athletes should be the given this choice

Drugs are against the rules. But we define the rules of sport. If we made drugs legal and freely available, there would be no cheating


We have two choices: to vainly try to turn the clock back, or to rethink who we are and what sport is."

It doesn't make sense to me to do that. It's like in car racing when you make the rules so it's the guy that's willing to take more risk will have the advantage. It'll be the guy on a 10x horse dosage steroid having an advantage, even if it takes years off his life, and endangers that of his opponent.

 

[City_Lights]

No I think we should just allow PED use tbh. Under the supervision of a doctor of course just like men on test replacement therapy. PEDs dont make fighters more skillful or knowledgeable about the sport. They're mainly used for injuries and allow fighters to train harder and longer. You have sports like NFL where they're all on it and its worked out okay. If they weren't the sport might not be as entertaining.

I've heard the "they should just let everyone dope" opinion before and really don't think that's a good idea. It will all become about who's on the most/best juice and it can't be good for guys to get hit by people on mass amounts of steroid. Imagine if Canelo was on Vitor Belfort level steroids when he KO'd Khan.

 

[RR]

Good

 

[Marc A]

It doesn't make sense to me to do that. It's like in car racing when you make the rules so it's the guy that's willing to take more risk will have the advantage. It'll be the guy on a 10x horse dosage steroid having an advantage, even if it takes years off his life, and endangers that of his opponent.

It's for a topic that divides fans

The other token is the elite level athletes who choose to use peds (not just steriods) and have the financial wherewithal would be the only ones with access , decimating the natural ones .

Ped use is already happening on a big scale in boxing and mma

Genie out of the bottle can it be cleaned up? Or just a pr thing?

 

[hiphopnazi]

Come on now Marc, starting to feel like you're getting paid by Oscar for some PR work.

Look, it sucks that Canelo got busted. He has enrolled and everybody will eventually move on. I can't wait for him to return and fight but what happened.....happened.

 

[Marc A]

Come on now Marc, starting to feel like you're getting paid by Oscar for some PR work.

Look, it sucks that Canelo got busted. He has enrolled and everybody will eventually move on. I can't wait for him to return and fight but what happened.....happened.

He got caught because he was dumb for not taking full control of his camps

But this has nothing to do with Canelo or is he that great of a boxer that the merits of another can not live on its own

This is about GGG doing the right thing for him , assuring some level of even playing field

And a Promotor who happens to be doing him no favors with his lies

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It's for a topic that divides fans

The other token is the elite level athletes who choose to use peds (not just steriods) and have the financial wherewithal would be the only ones with access , decimating the natural ones .

Ped use is already happening on a big scale in boxing and mma

Genie out of the bottle can it be cleaned up? Or just a pr thing?

Yeah, I think cleaning up sports is the way to go, it just complicates things too much to let it be a free for all.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

I've heard the "they should just let everyone dope" opinion before and really don't think that's a good idea. It will all become about who's on the most/best juice and it can't be good for guys to get hit by people on mass amounts of steroid. Imagine if Canelo was on Vitor Belfort level steroids when he KO'd Khan.

Its already like that with most boxers just behind closed doors. And Canelo probably was on a load of shit when he KOd Khan. Khan probably was too.

 

[aries]

The problem I see with trying to legislate against cheating by using PED's is that even if you have the best test program in the world you can't catch all the cheaters. For example a BBC journalist decided to use EPO and get blood tested and urine tested to see if he would get caught by the system, but the key here was he used microdosing to make it harder to detect. What were the results? Well he set PB's, his VO2 max increased significantly and he noted that toward the end of his workouts rather than feeling tired he was ready for more. And the blood tests all came out negative showing no use of EPO. Now clearly he benefitted a lot from taking EPO but even though he was purposefully testing for EPO during the prime 36 hour period it didn't show up in the tests. So that means people can cheat by using EPO and not worry about testing positive.

And this was some amateur competitor who sourced his drugs off the internet and worked out his own program. What about a pro who has an expert administering his PED program? This shit isn't that easy to catch if you know what you are doing.

Here's the article if you want a read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32983932