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Yeah, horse hair is rough on a bag. I've only use Reyes, but damn did my hands hurt. Slipped on a pair of winning, grant or everlast, and my hands were fine.
Getting hit with horse hair?
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Yeah, horse hair is rough on a bag. I've only use Reyes, but damn did my hands hurt. Slipped on a pair of winning, grant or everlast, and my hands were fine.
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the fight gloves you use, are they horsehair? I know that based on the recommendation of two glovemakers (one of whom I've spoken with personally on many occasions) that horsehair is not recommended for the bag.
On the other end of the spectrum, I don't recommend using sparring gloves with layers of padding either. Winning sparring gloves... the padding does not last on the bag. Yeah they're super protective, but if you're not able to afford a new pair every 500 rounds (just a number) then you should stick to using them for sparring. Mitts I imagine can be just as rough as the bag depending on who is holding.
I'm a big advocate of bag mitts and they're what I use exclusively. Granted, the mitts I use are no longer produced, and I'm forced to search for them on secondary markets but they're worth it and they last.
Reyes made the safetec glove specifically for those who want to use fight gloves to train, as they do not recommend using horsehair gloves for training.
Lastly, I have used two gloves that utilize horsehair for sparring. I never throw bombs, and I've never received complaints. The first pair is an old 80s pair of Everlast top-of-the line training gloves. The current pair is from John Golomb, the glovemaker that I alluded to earlier. Both pairs of gloves are 18 oz. The Golomb gloves are amazing. They are not padded like how the old Tuf Wear and Flores gloves are filled with hair. The Golomb glove utilized a combination as Flores were padded, but I would have to say that the Golomb glove is much more forgiving. The Golomb glove is the most comfortable glove I've ever used for sparring.
the fight gloves you use, are they horsehair? I know that based on the recommendation of two glovemakers (one of whom I've spoken with personally on many occasions) that horsehair is not recommended for the bag.
On the other end of the spectrum, I don't recommend using sparring gloves with layers of padding either. Winning sparring gloves... the padding does not last on the bag. Yeah they're super protective, but if you're not able to afford a new pair every 500 rounds (just a number) then you should stick to using them for sparring. Mitts I imagine can be just as rough as the bag depending on who is holding.
I'm a big advocate of bag mitts and they're what I use exclusively. Granted, the mitts I use are no longer produced, and I'm forced to search for them on secondary markets but they're worth it and they last.
Reyes made the safetec glove specifically for those who want to use fight gloves to train, as they do not recommend using horsehair gloves for training.
Lastly, I have used two gloves that utilize horsehair for sparring. I never throw bombs, and I've never received complaints. The first pair is an old 80s pair of Everlast top-of-the line training gloves. The current pair is from John Golomb, the glovemaker that I alluded to earlier. Both pairs of gloves are 18 oz. The Golomb gloves are amazing. They are not padded like how the old Tuf Wear and Flores gloves are filled with hair. The Golomb glove utilized a combination as Flores were padded, but I would have to say that the Golomb glove is much more forgiving. The Golomb glove is the most comfortable glove I've ever used for sparring.
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Like I said, I don't rely on the glove for padding. Meaning my oversized training wrap uses a bunch of gauze and or foam for knuckle protection. This is the only place you need it for bag work and such. Cleto's are kind of too tight with the wrap I use so I prefer Everlast MX instead. Rival works as well as Grant but Grant are too expensive for what you get IMO. Rival has a similar high quality glove at a more reasonable price.
In regards to traditional bag mitts I have a pair of old fairtex slip - on's that are great as well as a cheaper pair of title's from their Classic line. If you are looking to pick up a pair of these type I recommend the BOON models which are a thai brand. As I don't think many companies make this style anymore.
cheers.Like I said, I don't rely on the glove for padding. Meaning my oversized training wrap uses a bunch of gauze and or foam for knuckle protection. This is the only place you need it for bag work and such. Cleto's are kind of too tight with the wrap I use so I prefer Everlast MX instead. Rival works as well as Grant but Grant are too expensive for what you get IMO. Rival has a similar high quality glove at a more reasonable price.
In regards to traditional bag mitts I have a pair of old fairtex slip - on's that are great as well as a cheaper pair of title's from their Classic line. If you are looking to pick up a pair of these type I recommend the BOON models which are a thai brand. As I don't think many companies make this style anymore.
What's your opinion on these 2 minimalist bag gloves by Rival?
https://rivalboxing.us/collections/gloves-bag-gloves/products/rival-rb5-bag-mitts
https://rivalboxing.us/collections/gloves-bag-gloves/products/rival-rb3-mexican-bag-gloves
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Both look like good gloves for bag work. I think one or both might be on sale at TITLE.
Traditional style mexican bag gloves are composed of latex padding of varying densities. The rb3 glove does not specify what type of padding other than " layered foam" . Seems like a glove that has a natural fist shape which is optimal IMO.
The rb5 glove seems like a minimal glove with only a thin layer of Eva padding. This is the type of glove you would rely on your wrap to protect you. I don't like the mesh palm as these always wear out before anything else.
Just my 2 cents.
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I see, so you just use the fight gloves as a sort of cover for cuts, abrasions, thumb, etc. I'm cheap as hell so I'll continue to buy my vintage bag mitts.
I use 180 or 200 blend wraps and my bag mitts. I don't mess around with those pre curved shit mitts that are being produced. I'm talking the flat tuf wear and everlast 4305s, the way mitts are supposed to be made but aren't produced anymore. I've tried the pre curved stuff and it's just hilarious to me that whoever decided to change the design thought they were doing a favor. the pre curved bag mitt is an example of over/useless innovation imo.
Back to topic thread - apparently a standard sparring glove used to be the Tuf Wear horsehair training gloves. I have a pair of never used, and some old timer says that the break in period took forever but that the gloves would last forever once they broke in. They hurt like hell get hit in because once you sweat and soiled the gloves, they became last casts for your hands so your hands would be safe, but definitely not forgiving for your opponent. Thing is, getting hit with those old gloves was never fun so there would be extra motivation for avoiding/blocking shots. Now I'm not saying that those specific gloves with only horsehair padding are what should be used, but there is a middle ground somewhere.
I bring this up because people seem to think that this sport of boxing has continued to evolve. I personally think that boxing has gone to shit and the "innovations" in training equipment seem to have contributed to its demise. Kids just walk through shots and have no respect for their sparring partners - now it seems like ever sparring session I watch is just who can be the tougher guy, instead of working on technical proficiency, defense, and footwork. I don't think that the "evolution" of boxing equipment and the decline in popularity in boxing are independent of each other.
Turned into a rant at the end, but most of the equipment that's out there today sucks.
I see, so you just use the fight gloves as a sort of cover for cuts, abrasions, thumb, etc. I'm cheap as hell so I'll continue to buy my vintage bag mitts.
I use 180 or 200 blend wraps and my bag mitts. I don't mess around with those pre curved shit mitts that are being produced. I'm talking the flat tuf wear and everlast 4305s, the way mitts are supposed to be made but aren't produced anymore. I've tried the pre curved stuff and it's just hilarious to me that whoever decided to change the design thought they were doing a favor. the pre curved bag mitt is an example of over/useless innovation imo.
Back to topic thread - apparently a standard sparring glove used to be the Tuf Wear horsehair training gloves. I have a pair of never used, and some old timer says that the break in period took forever but that the gloves would last forever once they broke in. They hurt like hell get hit in because once you sweat and soiled the gloves, they became last casts for your hands so your hands would be safe, but definitely not forgiving for your opponent. Thing is, getting hit with those old gloves was never fun so there would be extra motivation for avoiding/blocking shots. Now I'm not saying that those specific gloves with only horsehair padding are what should be used, but there is a middle ground somewhere.
I bring this up because people seem to think that this sport of boxing has continued to evolve. I personally think that boxing has gone to shit and the "innovations" in training equipment seem to have contributed to its demise. Kids just walk through shots and have no respect for their sparring partners - now it seems like ever sparring session I watch is just who can be the tougher guy, instead of working on technical proficiency, defense, and footwork. I don't think that the "evolution" of boxing equipment and the decline in popularity in boxing are independent of each other.
Turned into a rant at the end, but most of the equipment that's out there today sucks.
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LOL, you do realize BGV9 are NOT for sparring
Fairtex BGV1 are one of the best sparring gloves out there for mma/muay thai
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Hence why I said won't recommend... gotta learn to read son.
