German Interior Minister: Islam does not belong in Germany

[MicroBrew]

Horst Seehofer, who became interior minister this week under a coalition deal, used his first interview since taking office to declare “Islam does not belong in Germany”.

Some much needed blunt common sense but sadly it will amount to nothing and may just be strategic pandering to curtail the attraction of the AFD.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ister-declares-islam-does-not-belong-country/

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If the average person in Britian says what this Minister said, he/she might very well be charged with Hate Crimes.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He did also say this

Mr Seehofer later sought to clarify his remarks. “Our country Germany has been shaped by Christianity for centuries. That's why it’s wrong to say Islam belongs in Germany, ” he said.

“Of course we have tolerance and respect for other religious communities. And of course the Muslims living in Germany belong in Germany.”

So its probably not as radical a sentiment as it first sounds.

 

[Quipling]

I'm not the biggest fan of Germans talking about what religions don't belong.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Pretty broad of a brush to paint imo.

 

[ShinkanPo]

He did also say this


So its probably not as radical a sentiment as it first sounds.

He should fucking make up his mind a make a coherent stand.


But politicians going to politicize and Christianity does not belong in Germany too!

 

[MicroBrew]

I'm not the biggest fan of Germans talking about what religions don't belong.

Hitler actually wished the Germans had adopted a warlike religion like Islam.

Tolerance of intolerance is no virtue. Tolerating Islam isn't being tolerant, because it is a fascist racist ideology.

Just because Germans did some shit in the past, should they be constantly criticized for any sentiments that is anything less than total capitulation? Why aren't the Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis, Americans, Belgians, Spanish , Brits held to the same standard as Germany. All these other nations did as much shit as the Germans but they get a pass (relative to the criticism and attacks on Germans)

 

[hillelslovak87]

The only way to ensure shit like christianity and Islam go away, or morph into different forms of humanism, you must have a secular society that lets no religion have any special protections for any of them.

Banning the religious impulse leads to more and more insanity and oppression.

 

[MicroBrew]

He did also say this


So its probably not as radical a sentiment as it first sounds.

Well he could hardly support kicking out Muslims who are German citizens. But he still wants to express disapproval of Islam. So - assuming he is being genuine- he is trying to curb the impact of a negative influence as much as legally possible.

 

[MicroBrew]

The only way to ensure shit like christianity and Islam go away, or morph into different forms of humanism, you must have a secular society that lets no religion have any special protections for any of them.

Banning the religious impulse leads to more and more insanity and oppression.

Christianity in the West is pretty mundane and harmless now. Western Europe has moved away from it; America is an exception to the Western world. But even in America, the Christian Right isn't remotely comparable to Islamism . The problem with Islam is that it is a whole way of life, including government and economy. It's different from Christianity in this regard.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The only way to ensure shit like christianity and Islam go away, or morph into different forms of humanism, you must have a secular society that lets no religion have any special protections for any of them.

Banning the religious impulse leads to more and more insanity and oppression.

Is it though? A study some time ago found that the countries that had the highest per capita numbers of ISIS recruits were Francphone countries. French secularism, or laïcité, is a very anti-religious form of secularism and it seems to correlate with radicalization and extremism and that political culture was exported to its former colonies like Algeria and Tunisia, the latter of which had the highest per capita rate of any country. This suggests that a hard line form of secularism actually increases the chances of radicalization.

I think US secularism, which has more breathing room for religion in public life, is better.

 

[forum poster]

Christianity in the West is pretty mundane and harmless now. Western Europe has moved away from it; America is an exception to the Western world. But even in America, the Christian Right isn't remotely comparable to Islamism . The problem with Islam is that it is a whole way of life, including government and economy. It's different from Christianity in this regard.

It is actually comparable to Christianty in the US though. Islam in the US is being watered down generation after generation. They even have a higher percetage of people who think society should tolerate homosexuals compared to evangelicals.

 

[Michaelangelo]

as long as Islam has no say in government then it’s fine

people should be allowed to practice their bullshit religions if they please

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

What are the religious freedom laws like in Germany?

 

[TheFirstEMP]

Islam is not compatible with western culture, plain and fucking simple.

 

[grimballer]

Oh no! here we go again with Germans n xenophobia

When will they learn?

 

[grimballer]

Islam is not compatible with western culture, plain and fucking simple.

Well technically neither is Christianity or Judaism

 

[grimballer]

as long as Islam has no say in government then it’s fine

people should be allowed to practice their bullshit religions if they please

The problem is when they become big nuff number they will demand more representation n laws that support their religious beliefs

 

[spin]

I'm gonna remain for freedom of religion myself

 

[Michaelangelo]

The problem is when they become big nuff number they will demand more representation n laws that support their religious beliefs

government needs to put their foot down and tell them tough shit.

democracy and islam don’t mix very well. i mean they could but the people in power will likely corrupt the system towards fascist totalitarianism.

 

[grimballer]

government needs to put their foot down and tell them tough shit.

democracy and islam don’t mix very well. i mean they could but the people in power will likely corrupt the system towards fascist totalitarianism.

You can do that when they are around 2 or 3% of total population

However once they are around 15-20% or even higher good luck telling them tough shit N I don’t expect left leaning governments to do anything anyways