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Gane is going to end up like Rockhold,all flashy and great until they stop feeding him easy matchups
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Why do we keep using this narrative? They fight nothing alike.
In his 2nd mma fight against dyczka, gane had a collapsed lung during the fight, went through it, got the finish and then got rushed to the hospital.
Now you go try to do any physical workout with a collapsed lung and then we'll discuss about "grit".
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Cyril fought Cejudo?
But for sure, Rockhold never had Gane's ability on the feet.
Cyril is not flashy at all. His defense is light years ahead of Rockhold, and he's got way better footwork and speed. .
Rockhold only had kicks and those question mark shit (which rarely actually worked for him).
gane's boxing sucks
he's like izzy, good at distance and that's it
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Rockhold did actually beat some genuinely elite fighters like Jacare and Weidman.
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In some ways maybe he signalled a new breed in terms of fleetness of foot and technique but then these newer breed are mma specialists and have no obvious arenas of weakness. I’m thinking Aspinall et al.
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Gane and Rockhold are nothing alike, and I'm a fan of both...
In fact, Rockhold is my top pick for "unlikely comeback" like how Arlovski, Mark Hunt or Cro Cop came back to the top (well, semi-top for Mirko) after devastating losses and everyone writing them off.
Gane's weakness being wrestling was a given, since his background was in Muay Thai, and considering that nobody gives a shit about wrestling in France.
Judo is the national sport there, and I guess savate/kickboxing/Muay thai are in second place.
I mean, the one recent time France got a gold medal in wrestling (last time was in 1936 when Emile Poivet
won gold at the Berlin games)
72 years later, was when Steeve Guénot
won gold in Greco-Roman at the 2008 Summer Olympics
(his older brother Christophe Guénot won a bronze medal too
Those guys were anomalies because they grew up in wrestling families, but most of the French population doesn't care about wrestling in the slightest (much like they don't care about English Boxing), and concentrate on Judo as the number 1 combat sport taught in schools
So unless Lopez was willing to fly some wrestling champions over to France to ragdoll Ciryl until he became better, it was always going to be his weakness.
Not gonna lie, I thought Gane's stand-up skills would be enough to beat Jon Jones, but I dreaded the first take down from the former 205 champ...
I just hoped that Jones' pride wouldn't allow him to shoot for takedowns before throwing hands and kicks with Ciryl for a while <{chips}>
That loss hurt, but Gane showed that he was back on track when he beat the judomaster Sergei Spivak (who suddenly turned into a can who was never good as soon as Gane won)
Ciryl trained with Judo champion Cyrille Maret
Let's hope the Aspinall match-up is next, after that no one will be able to deny that Gane is the top contender for the belt (unless Tom turns into a can right after he loses, obviously)
In fact, Rockhold is my top pick for "unlikely comeback" like how Arlovski, Mark Hunt or Cro Cop came back to the top (well, semi-top for Mirko) after devastating losses and everyone writing them off.
Gane's weakness being wrestling was a given, since his background was in Muay Thai, and considering that nobody gives a shit about wrestling in France.
Judo is the national sport there, and I guess savate/kickboxing/Muay thai are in second place.
I mean, the one recent time France got a gold medal in wrestling (last time was in 1936 when Emile Poivet
won gold at the Berlin games) 72 years later, was when Steeve Guénot
won gold in Greco-Roman at the 2008 Summer Olympics
(his older brother Christophe Guénot won a bronze medal too
Those guys were anomalies because they grew up in wrestling families, but most of the French population doesn't care about wrestling in the slightest (much like they don't care about English Boxing), and concentrate on Judo as the number 1 combat sport taught in schools
So unless Lopez was willing to fly some wrestling champions over to France to ragdoll Ciryl until he became better, it was always going to be his weakness.
Not gonna lie, I thought Gane's stand-up skills would be enough to beat Jon Jones, but I dreaded the first take down from the former 205 champ...
I just hoped that Jones' pride wouldn't allow him to shoot for takedowns before throwing hands and kicks with Ciryl for a while <{chips}>
That loss hurt, but Gane showed that he was back on track when he beat the judomaster Sergei Spivak (who suddenly turned into a can who was never good as soon as Gane won)
Ciryl trained with Judo champion Cyrille Maret
Let's hope the Aspinall match-up is next, after that no one will be able to deny that Gane is the top contender for the belt (unless Tom turns into a can right after he loses, obviously)
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Why? I'm not an athlete. Good for Gane. As a fighter against killers, no, he's not gritty.
Collapsed lung? I guess UFC doesn't have doctors to prevent guys with serious injuries from fighting. Not only is it dangerous for fighters, it also skews the Vegas Odds. I mean, Dillishaw with one arm and no one knew until he told referee Marc Godard before the fight? UFC media just aks one question and Dana says "We didn't know." Then, no investigation into allowing a seriously compromised fighter into a title match? Corrupt to the core. TJ was lucky it was only Sterling and not Yan, Omalley or someone else that could actually strike hard. Couldn't submit a one-armed man, Aljo?
Gane should get the winner of Blaydes vs. Almeida. #1 Contender? Pavlovich is, not Gane. Gane should retire if he really believes he can get a THIRD title shot in his last FOUR fights! Doesn't think Pavlovich or Aspinall are "good matchups" for him? No one was seriously offering Aspinall, Cyril. That was a show. It's Pavs vs. Aspinall. Hopefully, it's for the vacated title. If Jones wins he'll hold up the damn division. KO him Stipe, please! Then, both can retire.
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Gane and Aspinall got easy fights. Pavlovich has been and is, despite what the rankings say, the clear #1 Contender. It's incredible that people can't or won't even acknowledge this guy that runs through everyone in the first round, usually in the first minute. Blaydes took him 3 minutes, though...Gane and Rockhold are nothing alike, and I'm a fan of both...
In fact, Rockhold is my top pick for "unlikely comeback" like how Arlovski, Mark Hunt or Cro Cop came back to the top (well, semi-top for Mirko) after devastating losses and everyone writing them off.
Gane's weakness being wrestling was a given, since his background was in Muay Thai, and considering that nobody gives a shit about wrestling in France.
Judo is the national sport there, and I guess savate/kickboxing/Muay thai are in second place.
I mean, the one recent time France got a gold medal in wrestling (last time was in 1936 when Emile Poivet
72 years later, was when Steeve Guénot
won gold in Greco-Roman at the 2008 Summer Olympics
(his older brother Christophe Guénot won a bronze medal too
Those guys were anomalies because they grew up in wrestling families, but most of the French population doesn't care about wrestling in the slightest (much like they don't care about English Boxing), and concentrate on Judo as the number 1 combat sport taught in schools
So unless Lopez was willing to fly some wrestling champions over to France to ragdoll Ciryl until he became better, it was always going to be his weakness.
Not gonna lie, I thought Gane's stand-up skills would be enough to beat Jon Jones, but I dreaded the first take down from the former 205 champ...
I just hoped that Jones' pride wouldn't allow him to shoot for takedowns before throwing hands and kicks with Ciryl for a while <{chips}>
That loss hurt, but Gane showed that he was back on track when he beat the judomaster Sergei Spivak (who suddenly turned into a can who was never good as soon as Gane won)
Ciryl trained with Judo champion Cyrille Maret
Let's hope the Aspinall match-up is next, after that no one will be able to deny that Gane is the top contender for the belt (unless Tom turns into a can right after he loses, obviously)
Gane thinks he shouldn't have to fight Aspinall or Pavlovich, just go straight to another titleshot. Two of his last three were title fights and he beats the #6 guy that can't strike at all. Yeah, sure, why not?
I won't argue with the fact that Gane needs at least one more fight to get in title contention. Nonetheless, he's in his role to ask for a title shot.
Pav is just another hard hitting one dimensional HW.
He froze though, must have been confused by all the bouncing around.
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rock hold held 2 titles.... Gane hasn't had one.
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Gane and Rockhold are nothing alike, and I'm a fan of both...
In fact, Rockhold is my top pick for "unlikely comeback" like how Arlovski, Mark Hunt or Cro Cop came back to the top (well, semi-top for Mirko) after devastating losses and everyone writing them off.
Gane's weakness being wrestling was a given, since his background was in Muay Thai, and considering that nobody gives a shit about wrestling in France.
Judo is the national sport there, and I guess savate/kickboxing/Muay thai are in second place.
I mean, the one recent time France got a gold medal in wrestling (last time was in 1936 when Emile Poivet
72 years later, was when Steeve Guénot
won gold in Greco-Roman at the 2008 Summer Olympics
(his older brother Christophe Guénot won a bronze medal too
Those guys were anomalies because they grew up in wrestling families, but most of the French population doesn't care about wrestling in the slightest (much like they don't care about English Boxing), and concentrate on Judo as the number 1 combat sport taught in schools
So unless Lopez was willing to fly some wrestling champions over to France to ragdoll Ciryl until he became better, it was always going to be his weakness.
Not gonna lie, I thought Gane's stand-up skills would be enough to beat Jon Jones, but I dreaded the first take down from the former 205 champ...
I just hoped that Jones' pride wouldn't allow him to shoot for takedowns before throwing hands and kicks with Ciryl for a while <{chips}>
That loss hurt, but Gane showed that he was back on track when he beat the judomaster Sergei Spivak (who suddenly turned into a can who was never good as soon as Gane won)
Ciryl trained with Judo champion Cyrille Maret
Let's hope the Aspinall match-up is next, after that no one will be able to deny that Gane is the top contender for the belt (unless Tom turns into a can right after he loses, obviously)
no way Judo is bigger than football or rugby in France.
Agree regarding Aspinall but he has undeniable potential for Champ status.
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People need to recognize that they have channeled their hate of Jones into hate of Gane. The only way Jones still sucks in their head if Gane is a whitebelt with no wrestling. Whatever helps you guys sleep at night.
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Rockhold was a legit top 5 MW for a good 5 years, no one stays at their best forever. Jacare, Weidman, Machida and Kennedy were not easy match ups.
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Almeida seems to have good wrestling as well.
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At first I wasn't sure what you were referring to, then I reread my post and indeed I should have specified that "Judo is the national fighting sport here", since football and rugby are indeed way bigger.
I mean, Teddy Riner is the most popular French athlete in 2023 and has been for a long time, the latest poll had him at 43% so he's ahead of footballers like Kylian Mbappé or rugbymen like Antoine Dupont.
Before him, judoka David Douillet was regularly voted "sportif préféré des Français" , alongside guys like Tony Parker or Zinedine Zidane.
Though I have to say that I'm very positively surprised by Cedric Doumbé popularity here, several IRL friends of mine who don't care much for MMA and don't even follow the UFC talked to me about the "9 seconds KO" that has been posted all over social medias over here...
"Doumced" was already a popular kickboxer here (and in France kickboxing is way more popular than boxing), and him being so outspoken but still fan-friendly is a good combination to become a MMA star in France; and we need those for the sport to grow.
Thus far, the biggest combat sports personalities favored by the French were judokas or kickboxers (Jérôme Le Banner is a pretty big star here)
Females judokas like Autumn Pavia are also fairly popular
And Ciryl Gane is also slowly building a name for himself, he kinda has that "big teddy bear energy" than French people like in their athletes so he's a safe bet for the next UFC Paris main event.
A rematch with Francis Ngannou in France would be massive, even if the first fight is kinda considered a boring draw.
Anyway, I'm a bit off topic but figured I would give my perspective.
IMO the biggest issue with local MMArtists is the complete lack of interest that the French have for wrestling... even pro-wrestling was a super niche thing when I was a kid and got intrigued when Rocky fought that mustached dude in Rocky 3, so it's really a culture thing IMHO
Unless they can get some French Québécois to come over and become wrestling coaches for the local MMA gyms?
GSP had lots of success in MMA wrestling despite not having a traditional background in that sport and learning kinda late, but he's a genius-tier athlete, not everyone can replicate what prodigies like him are able to pull off...
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sometimes I think this as well, but then I remember him almost getting ktfo by Tai Tuivasa and then I think “maybe he’s overrated”
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Almeida is a LHW. He weighed 231 last fight, pretty typical of LHWs (most are between 225-235).
I think unless you're 240+ you're not gonna be able to keep up with the top heavyweights but we shall see. If Almeida finds success among the top 5 then guys like Rakic and Walker should definitely move up.
