Gaming the rules - hand on the ground

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In my opinion this is one rule that really needs to be changed.

When a fighter that is standing places a hand on the ground, they are just gaming the rules, nothing more, and it needs to be changed. If the fighter is on both his feet, he is standing. It really should be as simple as that. Allowing this loophole is basically like giving the fighter in the bad position a timeout, its ridiculous.

It has nothing at all to do with the severity of the strikes that could be landed. The fighter could be in the exact same position, minus touching a hand to the ground, and the strikes are legal, so placing a hand on the ground should not change that.
 
If he puts his hand on the ground, he naturally shifts his weight forward.
As a result of this, a knee he eats during this weight shift is more damaging than a regular knee. It's about the physics, I think.

Same as moving into a punch and moving away from it.
 
Was it not Russow-Jordan when this happened on sat? I was a bit hammered when I watched, I just seem to recall the crowd chanting knee and the opponent put his hand on the ground when he was up against the cage. I'm not a just bleed guy but I wanted to see him go for them damn knees lol.
 
The '3 points of contact = grounded fighter' a silly rule.

They need to change it so a hand on the ground does not constitute a grounded fighter. That will stop all this nonsense. A grounded fighter is someone on his back, or ass, or with at least one knee on the ground.
 
Any part of torso or a knee on the ground would seem to do the trick, IMO.
 
It's a dumb rule and some people try to take advantage of said rule.
 
Here's why it doesn't really matter:
If you are trying to put your hand down right as a person throws a knee then you haven't established yourself as grounded so knees and kicks to the head wouldn't be deemed illegal.
If you place your hand down and keep it down, then you have put yourself into a more vulnerable position. Your are leaning over and you take 1 of you hands out of the equation. This leaves you open to punches and leaves you open to getting your back taken, taken down, or getting submitted. Fighters are going to get used to the guys trying to play the game and take advantage of it.
 
I agree. I feel like the rule may have written - and I could be totally wrong - to protect fighters who were on their way up from the floor and had no idea a strike was coming. I don't think anyone envisioned fighters going down to three points on the floor to avoid hits.
 
ABC said:
Here's why it doesn't really matter:
If you are trying to put your hand down right as a person throws a knee then you haven't established yourself as grounded so knees and kicks to the head wouldn't be deemed illegal.
If you place your hand down and keep it down, then you have put yourself into a more vulnerable position. Your are leaning over and you take 1 of you hands out of the equation. This leaves you open to punches and leaves you open to getting your back taken, taken down, or getting submitted. Fighters are going to get used to the guys trying to play the game and take advantage of it.
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I was going to say the same. It takes away the possibility of knees. But you're opening yourself to other attacks.

Plus if you take the hand rule away you'll just see fighters going down to one knee to take advantage.

Also I don't see what is wrong with playing to the rules. This is a sport, if you can make a rule work to your advantage then why not?
 
Jose Aldo Nova said:
I agree. I feel like the rule may have written - and I could be totally wrong - to protect fighters who were on their way up from the floor and had no idea a strike was coming. I don't think anyone envisioned fighters going down to three points on the floor to avoid hits.
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Probably, but that seems kinda redundant now that the refs separates the fighters when one of them are getting up. Usually happens when one of the guys butt scoots around.
 
kebab said:
Probably, but that seems kinda redundant now that the refs separates the fighters when one of them are getting up. Usually happens when one of the guys butt scoots around.
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In some cases, sure. But when two guys are scrambling and the guy on bottom is on his way up, his opponent could throw a knee at the top of his head without the guy ever seeing it coming.
 
Jose Aldo Nova said:
In some cases, sure. But when two guys are scrambling and the guy on bottom is on his way up, his opponent could throw a knee at the top of his head without the guy ever seeing it coming.
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Well, I don't see the issue with getting punished for being in a bad position. Having a hand on the mat doesn't change anything.
 
Koljan said:
If he puts his hand on the ground, he naturally shifts his weight forward.
As a result of this, a knee he eats during this weight shift is more damaging than a regular knee. It's about the physics, I think.

Same as moving into a punch and moving away from it.
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well said
 
Big John agrees. He told Jones to shut up when Vitor tried to boot him in the face for crawling around on the ground.
 
kebab said:
Well, I don't see the issue with getting punished for being in a bad position. Having a hand on the mat doesn't change anything.
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100% agree. I'm just opining as to why I think the rule was created - I think it's crap too :)
 
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