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Television Game of Thrones S08E06 Discussion Thread: Burn them all! (the writing staff) | Our Watch has ended


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As for Tyrion in chains being allowed to dictate the meeting, I gotta say I was a little disappointed how there was no resistance from Grey Worm. You can still let him speak, but is an initial knock on head with the knob of a spear with a "Silence prisoner!", before they allow him to speak too much to ask for?
 
Where's the meta-story dude? I don't remember his username. He claims there's this over-arching meta-story that 99% of the audience doesn't understand and it's brilliantly done... even this season.

I want to hear his take on this.
 
I'm not going to lie and say I'm not catastrophically disappointed with this season.

I'm OK with where they landed, mostly, but not happy at all with how they got there.

I don't disagree.
You're right about it integral to the story. I tried to think of ways to circumvent it, but you can't - I mean you can but it creates more problems (for example, just make Jon more charismatic and people more sexist, but thats not a good direction).

My entire gripe is about the execution. When Jon tells Dany he's a king or whatever, and she reacts with "Don't tell anyone", it just feels flat to me. When Dany hears the bells and goes nuts, it doesn't feel like a big moment even though it should be. I don't know if this is because the dialogue felt off, or the pacing was wrong, or what - but the season just didn't work to me as a viewer. But when people explain it in hindsight, I can't help but agree that this is where the story was always going.

And I actually like where most of the stories end up, but the way they got there feels off so the conclusions feel flat. I like that Dany went mad, and Jon was exiled, and Jaime went back to Cersei. It's just most of the endings dont feel earned to me at all. I cant bring myself to care.

But all in all the season was okay. The only thing I truly hated was the Long Night.
 

Final scene should have been Bran sitting looking over his kingdom. Camera slowly zooms in closer on his face. Then to his eyes. Then his eyes turn NK blue. Fade to black.
 
regardless of all of our wild theories(shit, I had Grey Worm as a candidate, LOL)

For a moment I had this wild hope that Grey Worm, when appointed supreme commander, would decline. It would have been awesome, would been completely unexpected, would have redeemed his character, and would have sent Daenerys over the edge so far you'd need a broom to sweep up the batshit after her crazy.
 
Final scene should have been Bran sitting looking over his kingdom. Camera slowly zooms in closer on his face. Then to his eyes. Then his eyes turn NK blue. Fade to black.
I said this after the Long Night ep
 
Wonder what that guy does all day.

He’s good at being a fat lazy piece of shit who won’t finish his f’ing books!

Dude man his money from his fans, and then pissed all over them.
 
How many kilometers did Euron swam right before fighting Jaime? <{MindBrown}>

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A lot in a few minutes. He would destroy Michael Phelps.

Also, for some master sea faring people, the ships had no formation before the battle. They were just scattered randomly without file.
 
Drogon should have just flew in out of nowhere and laid total waste to the exiled Jon with everyone else as collateral damage.

Delayed revenge for killing mommy.

All snow would have been turned into boiled bloody water from the flames of vengeance.

Then you would have had something of substance to discuss today.
The writing was all over the place as far as the Drogon scene after Jon kills Dany. It's like the writers were trying to be coy and leave it up to the audience on whether burning the iron throne was intentional or just Drogon lashing out.

The problem though is the two completely contradictory moments right before that. Drogon clearly smells the knife, understanding it's the cause of Dany's death and has Jon's scent on it. That was done so the audience will think "oh shit Jon is screwed"

But right before that Drogon couldn't even understand Dany was dead until repeatedly nudging her and seeing that she didn't respond. So does Drogon know Jon killed Dany or why and did he make a conscious choice not to kill him for it before? Or is Drogon an animal who barely understands just the concept of death?

With so much rushed, there is just way too much that doesn't make sense upon closer inspection
 
He’s good at being a fat lazy piece of shit who won’t finish his f’ing books!

Dude man his money from his fans, and then pissed all over them.

Seems really weird trying to write those books now anyway, what with the entire story depicted in film already.
Either he writes the story the same way it happened in GoT, which makes the books pointless, or he doesn't which would make things... just weird.
 
Saw this on reddit and it really makes you think.

Is Drogon a genius who saw the corrupting power of the throne as what really lead to his mother's death?

Or is he a retard who thought that a chair made of knives stabbed her?
 
Final scene should have been Bran sitting looking over his kingdom. Camera slowly zooms in closer on his face. Then to his eyes. Then his eyes turn NK blue. Fade to black.

A raven flies miles upon miles, into the barren wastelands of the far east. It clears a mountain range to reveal a vast valley, filled with dragon eggs. The camera slowly zooms in on one, as it cracks and is about to hatch. A baby dragon emerges. It opens its maw, filled with razor sharp teeth, and hisses:

"Hodorrrr".
 
I don't want to be that guy defending a disappointing show, but something doesn't have to specifically matter at the end to have had a huge effect on the story. Dany felt like the throne was hers due to her parentage. Jon did what he considered right DESPITE what he believed to be his illegitimacy. This was very important to the story.

In the end, it continued to be hugely important. Dany finding out she wasn't the true heir was, in my opinion, a big part of meltdown.
You are looking back at it now that the story has been told and atributing meaning to events that happened which werent initially presented to us with that purpose.
When R+L=J was foreshadowed it wasnt with that in mind, but the possibility of Jon becoming a player in becoming king.

This is why there was no payoff, and therefore it was anticlimatic and bad.
When this became known it wasnt "oh shit, now denearys is going to have a meltdown about it and take it upon inocent people", but "oh shit jon might end up being king"

So when the biggest twist of the series happen with a particular direction in mind just to become a nothing burger, and used as a plot device and not a plot destination, it feels like you were hyped up about this thing for nothing only to completely abandon it later.

Thats how it played out for me
 
The writing was all over the place as far as the Drogon scene after Jon kills Dany. It's like the writers were trying to be coy and leave it up to the audience on whether burning the iron throne was intentional or just Drogon lashing out.

The problem though is the two completely contradictory moments right before that. Drogon clearly smells the knife, understanding it's the cause of Dany's death and has Jon's scent on it. That was done so the audience will think "oh shit Jon is screwed"

But right before that Drogon couldn't even understand Dany was dead until repeatedly nudging her and seeing that she didn't respond. So does Drogon know Jon killed Dany or why and did he make a conscious choice not to kill him for it before? Or is Drogon an animal who barely understands just the concept of death?

With so much rushed, there is just way too much that doesn't make sense upon closer inspection

You mean Drogon wasn’t symbolically thrashing the throne as a political statement beguiling the cyclical reign of blood?

I thought it was obvious that Drogon knew Jon had just killed Dany.

He contemplated immolating him but diverted his rage because he knew that Jon did what needed to be done to take the spokes off the wheel.

Even the dragon had more restraint than the mother who exploited him as an instrument of decimation.
 
How many kilometers did Euron swam right before fighting Jaime? <{MindBrown}>

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If there are dragons and snatch demons and some people are fireproof, I'm willing to accept that the Ironborn are supernaturally good swimmers.

I personally have more problems with the narrative of the Jaime/Euron fight than the logistics. Would've been much more satisfying if Yara killed Euron and Jaime's entire ending arc was completely different LOL
 
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