Television Game of Thrones S08E06 Discussion Thread: Burn them all! (the writing staff) | Our Watch has ended

[Threetrees]

He was my prediction five years ago.

why?

 

[Halge]

Hitler Dany

Che Naerys.

 

[Verace]

this is what @MusterX is alluding to
its actually a good decision to ignore his parentage and pick his brother in the context of what was happening

but at least mention the shit, it almost makes me think R+L=J might not even be the story in the books, because it was so irrelevant to the story
feels like Dany and Jon split plotlines that fake-Aegon will have in the books. Making Jon a Targ might have only been so that made a bit of sense

There it is...

This was regarded as the most important plot twist of the whole series for a while, only for it to turn out to be marginally relevant to what it meant in the end.

And this scene exemplifies it.

 

[Slick_36]

Not taking away from the overall disappointment of this episode but at the very least Sansa did have a rather satisfying arc and conclusion. I don't mind how she was sent off. She really became the most likable figure of authority. No one's questioning her right to rule.

You're tripping dude. She was an insufferable dumbass obsessed with wearing a crown at the beginning, then she's abused, manipulated, raped, and now she's suddenly a genius but she still is obsessed with wearing a crown. Nothing changed but trauma making her better and wiser, exactly the opposite lesson we learn with Dany. Her story might be the worst and goes against what the show seemingly stood for.

 

[Loiosh]

why?

Because it felt like he was GRRM and Martin always felt like the kind of author who write himself into the crown. Also, fat. So fat. Very martin.

I never would have guessed Bran in a million years. He isn't Bran any more. He isn't human.

Sam doesn't make any sense either, but I honestly thought it would happen.

 

[Threetrees]

Because it felt like he was GRRM and Martin always felt like the kind of author who write himself into the crown. Also, fat. So fat. Very martin.

I never would have guessed Bran in a million years. He isn't Bran any more. He isn't human.

Sam doesn't make any sense either, but I honestly thought it would happen.

Thats a good reason to guess though, I could see GRRM writing himself into the story for sure.

My guess was always Jon, but in some tragic unhappy way - like he was king of a ruined world or something
clearly I was very wrong lol

 

[snootylol]

WHY DIDNT they use the same ending but with Jon and Tormund also finding the white walker symbols.. signalling that the fight vs the dead is never ending.. especially as they are making a new series on them...

Hell it was one of the spoiler endings filmed..

 

[SheetsMMAfan]

This episode... my God.... When you don't think it can get ANY worse....

They pick the person who already said he isn't Bran anymore to be king, for no reason, dude is just a blank slate full of memories. Arya goes off to do what she talked about for 7 seasons, to be a fucking explorer, Arya Arya Arya THE EXPLORER!!!!! With her sidekick, Needle! Seriously, that was so unfitting of her arc. They give the dickless dudes a big plot of land so they can all grow old and die, with the inability to pro create and even keep the land longer than a generation, and instead of them just destroying every boat that the dickless dudes get on and declare Jon king, they send Jon off to watch the wall that has been rebuilt and has no threats whatsoever TO FUCKING KEEP WATCH FOR!!!!!

Weak as fuck. Danny dying to Jon and Sansa getting the North was the only other things that should have happened that actually did. Everything else was lazy garbage writing.

Edit: Also, they turned Jon Snow into the BIGGEST pussy on any TV show... EVER.... Dude was a sobbing buffoon....

 

[HereticBD]

A bit too clean and predictable of a wrap up, but what can you do? The series might have stumbled here and there and limped to the finish line, but ultimately delivered an appropriate send off.

7/10 for the episode.

7/10 for the season.

9/10 for the series as a whole.

 

[Loiosh]

There it is...

This was regarded as the most important plot twist of the whole series for a while, only for it to turn out to be marginally relevant to what it meant in the end.

And this scene exemplifies it.

I don't want to be that guy defending a disappointing show, but something doesn't have to specifically matter at the end to have had a huge effect on the story. Dany felt like the throne was hers due to her parentage. Jon did what he considered right DESPITE what he believed to be his illegitimacy. This was very important to the story.

In the end, it continued to be hugely important. Dany finding out she wasn't the true heir was, in my opinion, a big part of meltdown.

 

[HenryFlower]

This episode... my God.... When you don't think it can get ANY worse....

They pick the person who already said he isn't Bran anymore to be king, for no reason, dude is just a blank slate full of memories. Arya goes off to do what she talked about for 7 seasons, to be a fucking explorer, Arya Arya Arya THE EXPLORER!!!!! With her sidekick, Needle! Seriously, that was so unfitting of her arc. They give the dickless dudes a big plot of land so they can all grow old and die, with the inability to pro create and even keep the land longer than a generation, and instead of them just destroying every boat that the dickless dudes get on and declare Jon king, they send Jon off to watch the wall that has been rebuilt and has no threats whatsoever TO FUCKING KEEP WATCH FOR!!!!!

Weak as fuck. Danny dying to Jon and Sansa getting the North was the only other things that should have happened that actually did. Everything else was lazy garbage writing.

Edit: Also, they turned Jon Snow into the BIGGEST pussy on any TV show... EVER.... Dude was a sobbing buffoon....

Jon was never meant to be king & the unsullied left Westeros.

 

[Wolf Of Sherdog]

Kids stuff like war, incest, politics, torture, and murder?

I gave watched both shows. Game of Thrones is much better.

I like vikings since i know all the sagas and history. GOT seems like larpers with a a big budget

 

[Loiosh]

A bit to clean and predictable of a wrap up, but what can you do? The series might have stumbled here and there and limped to the finish line, but ultimately delivered an appropriate send off.

7/10 for the episode.

7/10 for the season.

9/10 for the series as a whole.

I see it exactly the same way.

 

[snootylol]

A bit to clean and predictable of a wrap up, but what can you do? The series might have stumbled here and there and limped to the finish line, but ultimately delivered an appropriate send off.

Lol.. I keep reading this? That it was predictable..? Now don't get me wrong the ending was far from good..

But Bran on the iron throne predictable? I'd have picked Jon.. Sam.. Sansa.. Danny.. Tyrion.. Gendry.. Hell even Davos above Bran as potential candidates..

Jon killing Danny? I mean it's kind of predictable.. but you had lots of people saying Arya would kill Danny or Danny would kill Jon

Also predictable is not necessarily bad either.. Most people would have imagined Jon and the NK fighting 1v1 with Jon killing him.. I think most people would have preferred that over what we got

 

[Threetrees]

Lol.. I keep reading this? That it was predictable..? Now don't get me wrong the ending was far from good..

But Bran on the iron throne predictable? I'd have picked Jon.. Sam.. Sansa.. Danny.. Tyrion.. Gendry.. Hell even Davos above Bran as potential candidates..

Jon killing Danny? I mean it's kind of predictable.. but you had lots of people saying Arya would kill Danny or Danny would kill Jon

He means predictable in tone and overall plot, not specifics

 

[Loiosh]

I like vikings since i know all the sagas and history. GOT seems like larpers with a a big budget

Lagertha practicing judo on the hilltop absolutely looked like a LARPER.

 

[FyrFytr998]

This episode... my God.... When you don't think it can get ANY worse....

they send Jon off to watch the wall that has been rebuilt and has no threats whatsoever TO FUCKING KEEP WATCH FOR!!!!!.

You miss the part where Jon is riding off to dick down some wildling poon? He ain't standing no watch. Not for one iota of a second. You think Bran or Sansa is gonna go send someone to find Jon once they find out he left? Jon is free as a bird. The only other person freer than him is Arya.

 

[Loiosh]

Jon killing Danny? I mean it's kind of predictable.. but you had lots of people saying Arya would kill Danny or Danny would kill Jon

Yeah, I was pretty sure it would be Arya.

This was better.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

You're tripping dude. She was an insufferable dumbass obsessed with wearing a crown at the beginning, then she's abused, manipulated, raped, and now she's suddenly a genius but she still is obsessed with wearing a crown. Nothing changed but trauma making her better and wiser, exactly the opposite lesson we learn with Dany. Her story might be the worst and goes against what the show seemingly stood for.

And not to mention.. nothing Sansa had/has was gained because of her or her ‘character development’. It’s all other people that do things that she gains from, she’s just there by default. She’s the same idiotic dumbass she started out the series as. I can’t think of a character in the entire series who developed less than her.


Sitting there at the end when they’re trying to save Jon and avoid a war and saying ‘nah, we’re gonna rule ourselves’ is not character development and it’s completely an asinine stance considering the context of the circumstances they were in.


Not to mention Grey Worm just going along with it. Just complete and total ‘we just need to end the show’ bull crap.


Most series endings leave much to be desired, so it’s not like GoT is the only guilty party there.. but the show writers gassed 2 seasons ago and let complete lazy pacing and story telling finish a really beloved series and that’s just shitty. No excuses.

 

[Threetrees]

I don't want to be that guy defending a disappointing show, but something doesn't have to specifically matter at the end to have had a huge effect on the story. Dany felt like the throne was hers due to her parentage. Jon did what he considered right DESPITE what he believed to be his illegitimacy. This was very important to the story.

In the end, it continued to be hugely important. Dany finding out she wasn't the true heir was, in my opinion, a big part of meltdown.

You're right but it just feels too hamfisted, and it was so background that its impact wasn't really felt by me (and it seems a lot of the audience). Which is what I believe he means when it said it didn't matter much. It could have just been replaced by another plot device and it wouldn't have been drastically different.
There's a problem with plot devices feel like plot devices.