Movies Full Metal Jacket vs Platoon vs Apocalypse Now
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My experience was pretty close to that in 1994. Recruits were getting tuned up pretty often. We ended up losing all our hats somewhere near the middle of second phase. A recruit in our platoon ended up swimming off of Parris Island when we were at the range. This lead to an investigation when the recruit that escaped starting talking about physical abuse. The new DI's took about as much of a "hands off" approach to our training as they could and I think the quality of our training suffered. General Krulak became Commandant in 1995 and overhauled recruit training, really focusing on instances, such as this.
The squad bay looked pretty close to how they were at 3rd Battalion. The gangway is a lot wider, and the racks were closer to the line.
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It was about a Vietnam veteran, without those Rambo films we might not have had all the others.
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I was in USAF BMT back in '87 and I can still hear SSgt Jones scream these words...
"STAY THE *UCK OUT OF MY CENTER AISLE!!!!!"
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the d'onofrio character was illustrating a very real happening in boot camps. Some guys, for whatever reason go crazy. My best friend had a brother who cracked up in the military and he knew of another guy who went nuts. I suppose the purpose of it is to weed out people that can't handle stress.
I don't think I could have handled it at that point in my life, not at all. I was a mess at that age. Probably would have had a nervous breakdown.
Even the guys who do make it through, if they see combat, many of them will never be the same again. I've met quite a few vets who's lives and health were a mess.
they say that WW2 vets recovered much better than the vietnam vets because the society they came back to welcomed them and that made a huge difference but really, especially with WW2, everyone I knew who was alive (my veteran father, my Japanese mentor who got locked up, my uncle etc..,) almost all of them were effected by something connected with the war. I'm talking things they never really recovered from. Some people also become gung ho like the lee emery character, those are the guys I wonder about everytime I see some guy wearing chamoflauge in the city, maybe they got their heads fucked up in the service.
I don't think I could have handled it at that point in my life, not at all. I was a mess at that age. Probably would have had a nervous breakdown.
Even the guys who do make it through, if they see combat, many of them will never be the same again. I've met quite a few vets who's lives and health were a mess.
they say that WW2 vets recovered much better than the vietnam vets because the society they came back to welcomed them and that made a huge difference but really, especially with WW2, everyone I knew who was alive (my veteran father, my Japanese mentor who got locked up, my uncle etc..,) almost all of them were effected by something connected with the war. I'm talking things they never really recovered from. Some people also become gung ho like the lee emery character, those are the guys I wonder about everytime I see some guy wearing chamoflauge in the city, maybe they got their heads fucked up in the service.
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Wasn't there a guy on here who was still fixated on his negative experience in boot camp years down the road and still having a ton of issues and anger over it?
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Probably was, I don't remember who it was.
It's pretty unfair to take a teenager who really knows nothing and molding him like that. I know for myself, i wasn't nearly a fully developed person and the hardest thing for me at that age was how everyone was trying to take me in directions I didn't really want to go and not giving me time to figure any of it out.
Some say mandatory military would be good, i'm sure in some ways it would be just as the service does a lot of good for a lot of people, it also causes a lot of problems. Employers seem to know not to hire vets too, they seem to be aware that they could be hiring a powder keg. Police notwithstanding, in Seattle we had a iran/iraq or whatever vet on the force shoot an indian for walking down the street whittling a piece of wood. Said he felt threatened for his life by a drunk, broke down street person, maybe he did but the impact from that in this city has caused a long slow descent into the shithole this city has become. The defund movement did not come out of thin air.
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Platoon just edges out Full Metal Jacket for me, but I understand why others will take the opposite view. Both are classic war movies that I've watched more times than I care to remember.
D'onofrio was incredible.
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Interestingly, Ermey himself said that even when he went through Boot Camp in '61, any DI who abused recruits to such an extent would have been severely disciplined. It would almost certainly have been the end of their career as far as training recruits was concerned, and may even have resulted in a full Court Martial.
Ermey went on record saying he deliberately played Hartman as a bad Drill Instructor, as he was directly responsible for his own and Private Pyle's deaths.
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He still holds the record for most weight gained for a single role: he put on 72lbs to play Private Pyle. D'Onferio actually tore ligaments in his knee during the running scenes due to all the extra weight he was carrying.
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Haven’t seen FMJ.
I prefer Platoon to Apocalypse Now, but I’ve only seen the Redux version of Apocalypse Now which was insufferably boring.
I prefer Platoon to Apocalypse Now, but I’ve only seen the Redux version of Apocalypse Now which was insufferably boring.
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FMJ FTW
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Apoc Now and Full Metal Jacket would be pretty close for me with maybe a marginal edge to the former whilst obviously being very different films, always felt Platoon was rather too on the nose personally, Salvador was better IMHO.
