From Lenin to Che: A Moral Guide to Marxist Revolutionaries

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I see that Marxism is quite aggressively misunderstood here, with some so stupid as to believe social democracy = communism = state capitalism. Since using historical figures as reference points for arguments is an argumentative favorite here as well, I figure that one of the most helpful starting points for understanding the extremely complex and often misunderstood intersections of Marxism, Leninism, etc. is to provide a brief overview of its most famous---purported--representatives.

Of course, this is not comprehensive and only deals with revolutionaries, not thinkers, academics, or intellectuals, which number in the thousands. Also, it is not comprehensive of even that subset. Truthfully, I myself am not particularly extreme, despite my username: I consider myself a democratic socialist, just left of social democratic capitalists like Bernie Sanders, so I hope to offer a fairly even handed assessment of some of the most famous Marxist names, many of whom I've spent several years learning about. To help, I'm going to separate the persons into three categories:

(A) The Good Guys
(B) The "It's Complicated" Guys
(C) The Bad Guys


EDIT: Given the unsurprising(ly misguided) backlash of some select posters, keep in mind that this is a list of revolutionaries and, yes, revolutionaries are soldiers. Soldiers kill people. While many of the claims on subsequent pages are libelous internet nonsense (peddled by the usual suspects) that you can debunk by using your own searches (see: "fake news"), it is an important delineation to make: revolutionaries do not conform to privileged moral binaries. But just like any other commander for virtuous causes, their gains (may or may not, given your own conclusion) outweigh the necessary evil of bloodshed.

Just as the moral expectations of General William Sherman are distinct from those of Abraham Lincoln, so are they distinct between Lenin, a general, and Marx, a mere theorist.


(A) The Good Guys



1. Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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Considered incorruptible by his comrades, Che was a humanitarian first and a revolutionary second. Although an avowed Marxist and termed by his contemporaries as the only real "communist" of his generation of Latin American revolutionaries, Guevara was many degrees removed from communist typology that sprouted from Russia decades earlier. Che, a man who left his beloved wife and children and life as an affluent physician in Argentina to train in the South American wilderness and foment uprisings in impoverished rural communities in Africa, was actually removed from power in Cuba after he was vocally critical of the USSR as not doing enough to help the third world and instead focusing on militarization and the enrichment of the Russian bureaucracy. Truthfully, Che was less interested in establishment of the transitional pre-Communist state and the reaping of its bureaucratic benefits than he was breaking the chains of imperialism. After breaking paths with Fidel Castro, Guevara went to Bolivia to continue the revolution. Expecting assistance from the Bolivian Communist Party, Guevara was betrayed by the party and its leader Mario Monje and captured by Bolivian forces with the help of the American CIA and Nazi war criminal Klaus "the Butcher of Lyon" Barbie. Che, before his likeness became a symbol of nonconformity, had a mythology of selflessness and, together with the second person on this list, exceptional purity.


2. Thomas Sankara

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Like Che Guevara, Sankara's main focus was anti-imperialism. Once he rose to power in an enormously popular revolution, Sankara began implementing one of the most ambitious and meticulously focused systems of reform. Sankara was a passionate advocate of African self-reliance, independence, and individual freedom from labor debt. Besides rebuffing imperialism by rejecting foreign aid and refusing to acknowledge odious debt, Sankara also instituted many health, environmental, and social reforms including the outlawing of genital mutilation, polygamy, and forced marriage, the appointing women to political office, and encouraging women's participation in the workforce. After an extremely successful and popular four years in office, Sankara was assassinated in a coup d'état led by his former officer Blaise Compaore. Compaore swiftly reversed Sankara's reforms, arrested his supporters, and attempted to erase him from history.


3. Nelson Mandela

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Despite being most famously known in the West as being anti-racist and an opponent of South African Apartheid, Mandela was an avid, albeit a practical, Marxist. While Mandela publicly lauded the prospect of a classless society and the complete abolition of capitalism, he advocated for more measured and diplomatic implementation, specifically that of "scientific socialism." Unsurprisingly, after being imprisoned for twenty years and subsequently elected to presidential office, he settled for more privatization and capitalistic policies, necessary with the concurrent downfall of the USSR. Despite this, his commitment to social and economic justice remained unquestioned and, with his conciliation on economic reforms, he escaped being demonized by Western propaganda in the same way as some of his other comrades.


(B) The "It's Complicated" Guys

4. Vladimir Lenin
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The single most controversial and polarizing figure in Marxist history, Vladimir Lenin has been appraised as anywhere from a patron saint of the working class to the man who first corrupted Marxist ideology. Truthfully, Lenin was brilliant, fierce, and tireless advocate for the working class and against the Russian oligarchs. Before his publication of the famous book The State and Revolution, Lenin was considered a right-wing deviation of the socialist movement: less adherent to the libertarian and anti-authoritarian principles of the rest of the movement and apparently more utilitarian in his usage of the state to gain power. Lenin, however, returned to his authoritarian designs upon rising to power, gutting the organs of worker control and establishing the state as the central mechanism for working class representation. Purportedly, this strategy was in line with establishing Russia as the "holding action" (per Noam Chomsky) before the real revolution could be pressured to take place in Germany: Marxist organizational doctrine held that socialism in underdeveloped nations could not survive capitalist external pressures and that it must first take hold in the most advanced sectors of capitalism, which at that time existed in England and Germany. At that time, Russia lacked economic infrastructure and would be susceptible to being easily quashed by capitalist influences if it went through transformative processes without first industrializing. Lenin did, however, maintain loyalty to and maintenance of trade unions and independent power within the working class. Lenin, additionally, was gravely fearful of the susceptibility of the state capitalist system (a term he first coined and which could now apply to China) to bureacracy and tyranny and, in the years before his death, tried passionately to foreclose Joseph Stalin's rise to power over the machinery of the state. However, the German leftists were ultimately fractionalized and suppressed, largely by the organizational basis that later formed the Nazi Party, and Joseph Stalin did rise to power.


5. Leon Trotsky
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Leon Trotsky is known as much for his dissent and criticism of Stalinism as he is for his tangible contributions to the Bolshevik revolution. Trotsky was a traditional left-libertarian socialist, critical of Lenin's reactionary and centralized organizational designs. However, the two later resolved their differences and began working together again, largely through Lenin's strategic marginalization of Trotsky's influence in the party. Trotsky was considered by Lenin to be overly idealistic and too focused on administration. Truthfully, Trotsky was unique in this way: he was not a career revolutionary, he was an administrator, an underwriter. Although, he did flash colors of opportunism and willingness to sacrifice his ideals, most notably in his clashes with Russian soviets. Ultimately, after Lenin's decline in health and eventual death, Trotsky was boxed out from the state capitalist bureaucracy from his party rival Joseph Stalin. He would later seek exile in Mexico and famously write The Revolution Betrayed, signally both his admiration for the incredible economic rise of the USSR and his disdain for Stalin's authoritarianism, bureaucratic waste, and betrayal of Bolshevik ideals. In 1940, Stalin sent assassins to Mexico and Trotsky was killed with an ice pick.

6. Hugo Chavez - good guy, but incompetent

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Hugo Chavez is a man with many sympathizers, mostly due to his virtuous intentions, his dedication to the Venezuelan lower classes, and the incredible resistance he faced at the hands of the United States and of private capital. However, ultimately, his policies were ineffectual and toothless in the long-term. Chavez, born to a poor working class family, began his career as a soldier in the Venezuelan military. Chavez later founded the Bolivarian movement, having become disgusted with the corruption and fraud perpetrated by then president Carlos Perez. After being imprisoned for an attempted coup, Chavez was later released and elected president. While inequality sharply declined and most indicators of quality of living such as literacy, poverty, and life expectancy improved during his tenure, a failed (and decisively unpopular) coup attempt in 2002 changed the trajectory of Chavez's rule. Chavez, after first tending towards liberalizing the economy towards more market-friendly measures, expanded nationalization and clamped down on human rights so as to mute dissent. One way to insulate himself from sabotage was to appoint followers to positions of great importance. Ultimately, however, the frankly incompetent administrative and economic color began to show, but did not fully express itself until some years after Chavez's death. When oil prices plummeted thereafter, it became obvious that Chavez's later reforms tied to heavily Venezuela's economic prosperity to the value of its oil exports. Sadly, at least for the immediate future, this long-term economic short-coming will be his legacy.


7. Fidel Castro - competent, but power hungry
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Even more than Chavez, more than Guevara, Castro's legacy might reflect his fearless opposition to neoliberalism and international economic exploitation. While basically any of Castro's early cohorts will tell you that Fidel wasn't a Communist and was barely even a Marxist, his regard for the working class was as Marxist in sentiment as that of any revolutionary before or after. The propriety of Castro's 26th of July Movement against the brutal and corrupt dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista was as unquestionable as it was fearless. Castro not being killed in his first attack on the heavily armed Moncada Barracks, using only a handful of men, was every bit as incredible as his not being cornered in Eastern Cuba when the movement reformed after his release from prison. After mounting an unlikely victory over a politically worn-out Batista, Castro became an international celebrity, even in the United States. However, his opposition to United States imperialism and economic demands of Cuba ultimately triggered the United States government funding counterrevolutionary invasions and multiple (and some very comical) assassination attempts. This tension ultimately drove Castro into agreement with the Soviet Union and he thereafter became a maligned Cold War figure in American culture. In retrospect, Castro was somewhat similar to Chavez. However, he was both a more capable head of state and a more swift authoritarian. While he undoubtedly improved the lives of the average Cuban citizen, provided basic accommodations to Cuba's poor, and established Cuba as a world leader in medicine, his governance was always overshadowed by the economic blockade imposed by the United States and by his, though popularly supported, indefensibly authoritarian imprisonment and execution of political dissenters early in his reign.


8. Muammar Gaddafi

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Muammar Gaddafi's historical legacy may sadly be the most distorted and misrepresented of any on this list. Ultimately, it cannot be argued that his influence on Libyan living was not positive. During his reign, the country thrived in comparison to its regional neighbors, achieving high marks in most quality of living standards, drastically improving health and literacy. However, alongside his leadership acumen came great hubris and bravado: he combined the silly showmanship of Chavez, the intense focus and egotism of Lenin, and the attire of Liberace. He was also passionately pan-African and sought the economic sovereignty of the African continent. He also issued disparate treatment for ethnic minorities in Libya and entertained (and possibly even funded) Islamic terrorism. Despite seeming to be increasingly cozy with Western politicians such as Hillary Clinton and David Cameron in establishing international investment agreements, Gaddafi was ultimately toppled by NATO-backed rebels in 2011. Renderings of Gaddafi have seen some rejuvenation, however, given the horrid aftermath in Libya.



(C) The Bad Guys

9. Mao Zedong

While Mao is still fairly well regarded by some few Western Marxists and by Chinese citizens, I personally find little of value in his philosophy or in the reality of his rise to power. Purporting himself to ostensibly be a Trotskyist, Mao oversaw violent suppression of dissent, massive upheaval of Chinese cultural tradition, and drastic, unmeasured economic reforms. While, like Stalin's death count, it is difficult to delineate how many killed from famine during his reign were attributable to his policies, it is undeniable that his obtuse and impersonal reforms did no favors. While Mao is credited for uniting China from civil war, industrializing and modernizing its economy, and improving its ability to compete in the international market, his successes must be overshadowed by not only the brutality he inflicted upon his people, nor the apparent glee with which he did so, but the fact that he (and I must feign ignorance with regard to whether this may be of cultural tendency) placed almost no value on individual human life: completely diametrical to the ideas of Marx. Ultimately, Mao allowed China to position itself as a world power, albeit on the back of many millions of civilian deaths, but ultimately merely provided the infrastructure for efforts towards liberalization provided by his successors.


10. Joseph Stalin

The worst of the bunch, Stalin was not simply regardless of human life like Mao. He was outright callous and doubled down on Mao's anti-intellectualism and refusal to engage in discussion and compromise. An opportunist and a talented politician, Stalin rose the ranks of the Bolsheviks. Although his dispositions were clearly authoritarian and politically right of the party's, he tempered such appearances and was vitally useful to Lenin in maneuvering internal party disagreements. But by the time that Lenin realized what a monster Stalin could become, preventing his succession was no longer possible. While Pink Tide revolutionaries and even other Eastern Marxists held regard for their people, Stalin seemed to only care for the Russian people to the extent that it was utilitarian. Certainly, the incredible gains initiated by Lenin were continued and Stalin did provide basic accommodations to Russian citizens, but Stalin did not regard the centralization of power or exercise of authoritarian strength as merely mediative as did Lenin. Stalin violently and systematically conducted political purges and, like Mao, expanded his cult of personality directly against the tenets of Marxism. Likewise, he consolidated state power towards bona fide institution of state capitalism and stripped the workers and the peasantry of autonomy and political voice. Ultimately, like Mao, Stalin's appreciators are mostly restricted to party advocates and Russian/Chinese nationalists who believe the utility of his actions outweighed the comparatively smaller death toll and crackdown on human rights. Ultimately, from a doctrinal perspective, Stalin should be remembered for extending Lenin's temporary suspension of socialist governance and, at least for the time being, cementing a Western and Eastern misunderstanding of what socialism actually is.​
 
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I would have included Marshall Tito among the good guys. United Serbs, Croats and Bosnians to push Nazis out, got everyone to get along and formed a self sufficient nation. He managed to keep it out of NATO/Warsaw Pact, and kept good relations with neighbors. Balkans haven't been the same since he died.

Che did a lot of good, but what about some of the things he wrote in Motorcycle diaries, like

"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese. And the two ancient races have now begun a hard life together, fraught with bickering and squabbles. Discrimination and poverty unite them in the daily fight for survival but their different ways of approaching life separate them completely: The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

That's some mein kemph shit
 
Good write up. Shows how power and ego corrupts. Wasnt hoing to read when read username Trotsky. Trotskyists are the worst- I'll add because they are unrealistic idealists, manipulative and dishonest and crazy and violent like that Yvette Fallarca retard from Berkeley
 
lol at castro being complicated

just imprisoning people for criticizing him, nbd. people risk their lives on makeshift rafts to get away from his brutally oppressive regime, but "its complicated"

or che being a good guy "humanist"

""The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese. And the two ancient races have now begun a hard life together, fraught with bickering and squabbles. Discrimination and poverty unite them in the daily fight for survival but their different ways of approaching life separate them completely: The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

"We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing."


or nelson mandela, a literal terrorist



but most importantly

every single one of their countries became a hellhole within 1 change of power. every single one of those countries became authoritarian nightmares. even if they themselves did not abuse it, they created a system where someone else can come in and create a nightmare state.

no matter what hugo chavez' intentions were, he created the system that resulted in his people starving to the point of eating their pets, while grocery stores lay bare. they dont even have toilet paper there anymore


get fucked commies
 
Holy shit, your account is still going? If you're going to call it stupid to equate socialism with communism, probably leave out the guy who outright said "the goal of socialism is communism", and the guy with a massive body count in the name of a country founded by murderers that people tried to escape on rafts made of trash.
 
im always shocked at the arrogance of first world shits who have never experienced communism but claim it "wasnt that bad" in the countries who have had it

you should try telling cuban refugees how castro isnt a bad guy, just complicated. or talking to cambodian/lao refugees and telling them how great you think communist revolutions are. my ex girlfriend's parents had their family shot in front of them in laos because they owned 3 taxis and that makes them the bourgeois and oppressors. an uncle was executed in front of his children because he was educated

but suure, the next communist revolution is gonna go great unlike the other ones that killed 150+ million people

p.s. that mandela quote "poverty is not an accident, its man made" is stupid as fuck. the default state of human life is in poverty, you need the actions of others and yourselves to get out of it. if you were in one of those tribes on an island with no contact with the outside world, how would your poverty be man made? communists are morons
 
lol at castro being complicated

just imprisoning people for criticizing him, nbd. people risk their lives on makeshift rafts to get away from his brutally oppressive regime, but "its complicated"

I see the local geniuses wasted no time. You do realize that people had been trying to emigrate from Cuba to the US for decades, yes? Cuba is a poor country, and it always will be. The US is the richest country in the world. Cuban quality of life is MUCH better since Castro, and it remains one of the happiest countries in the Western hemisphere. Even with the US embargo, Cuba was transformed from a mono-industrial feudal caste system to a country with world class education and healthcare.

Your comments are Che barely warrant a response. A young man in the 1940s is bound to have racial prejudices (also one of your quotes has been straight debunked as made up). However, Che imperiled his life going to Africa to live in squalor alongside the Congolese and stood in solidarity with them.

But, yes, cast immature, reductive, and ignorant comments when you've never known poverty, or likely adversity of any global significance, and barely achieve functional literacy in your native tongue. It's much easier to paint with a broad, illiterate brush.

every single one of their countries became a hellhole within 1 change of power. every single one of those countries became authoritarian nightmares. even if they themselves did not abuse it, they created a system where someone else can come in and create a nightmare state.

no matter what hugo chavez' intentions were, he created the system that resulted in his people starving to the point of eating their pets, while grocery stores lay bare. they dont even have toilet paper there anymore


get fucked commies

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. Every single country invoked in this post benefited substantially for that "1 change of power." Please, for the sake of humanity, take a look at the tangible improvements of quality of life in Russia, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Libya (before the West had its way), and even Venezuela save the points in my post.

If you're going to call it stupid to equate socialism with communism, probably leave out the guy who outright said "the goal of socialism is communism".

Either (a) you cannot read or (b) you are proving my point by somehow replacing "social democracy" (see: Scandinavia) or "state capitalism" (see: China/USSR) with socialism. "Socialism" was never in that statement.

Also, even if that were the point being made, the very structure of the quote you cited disproves your intended point. For socialism to be a transitional system to communism, it need be different.
 
Good write up. Shows how power and ego corrupts. Wasnt hoing to read when read username Trotsky. Trotskyists are the worst- I'll add because they are unrealistic idealists, manipulative and dishonest and crazy and violent like that Yvette Fallarca retard from Berkeley

I've been called a Trotskyist by modern Western communists that fetishize Stalin. Those persons, I would consider "Stalinists" or otherwise sometimes referred to as "Tankies," are the worst to me. Excusing the subjugation and brutalization of even the smallest population is indefensible. Even the rightist morons on this board who would and will actively vote against their interests should be protected from having their stupidity beaten out of them.
 
I see the local geniuses wasted no time. You do realize that people had been trying to emigrate from Cuba to the US for decades, yes? Cuba is a poor country, and it always will be. The US is the richest country in the world. Cuban quality of life is MUCH better since Castro, and it remains one of the happiest countries in the Western hemisphere. Even with the US embargo, Cuba was transformed from a mono-industrial feudal caste system to a country with world class education and healthcare.

Your comments are Che barely warrant a response. A young man in the 1940s is bound to have racial prejudices (also one of your quotes has been straight debunked as made up). However, Che imperiled his life going to Africa to live in squalor alongside the Congolese and stood in solidarity with them.

But, yes, cast immature, reductive, and ignorant comments when you've never known poverty, or likely adversity of any global significance, and barely achieve functional literacy in your native tongue. It's much easier to paint with a broad, illiterate brush.

I'm a published writer. Would be tough if I had barely achieved functional literacy. Why is it that I'm not in poverty and almost all Cubans are, and why is America so much richer that people escape and wash ashore in Miami and Key West on bags of trash? Would love to hear this.
 
Good topic but I have to disagree aside a pair of names, that were actually a bit better then the others side no others are any good.
Troskysm is alive and well and we can see his effect on the news .
 
But honestly, Stalin did nothing wrong. He's actually the only commie I like. He took no shit and made Russia a superpower.
 
(A) The Good Guys

1. Ernesto "Che" Guevara​
Nothing says "a good guy" like rape, mass murder, setting up concentration camps while also being a homophobic racist.

I guess Hitler didn't make it to your good guy list as he probably never raped anyone.​
 
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