FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

[sometimesmaybe]

Bro where is your 800 point team score record?
https://khsaa.org/records/wrestling/teamscorerecords.pdf

Joe Carr is that you?? Trying to understand how you scored more team points than someone with 14 team titles and actual accomplished college wrestlers.
http://www.carrwrestlingacademy.net/about.html

What he's saying is he scored 8x more points in the state tournament than any coach at his school had ever done. What he's not telling you is that in that state tournament his team scored 8 points which means all coaches before him had never had a guy score at the state tournament.

 

[-guerilla-]

What he's saying is he scored 8x more points in the state tournament than any coach at his school had ever done. What he's not telling you is that in that state tournament his team scored 8 points which means all coaches before him had never had a guy score at the state tournament.

I have had to dumb it down a 1000X for you morons

Jack [jgerald prestly's] alter ego=sometimesmaybe is correct [because i explained it to him so many times]

my little school had done TERRIBLY until I came along and blew all the records out

I took a program from LAST PLACE to the middle of the pack in a few short years

Thats because i am a great wrestling coach and my International hybrid system is superior to small town folkstyle 101

as one of the VERY FEW on sherdog that has both international and folk wrestling experience I have a unique vantage on the sport "disciples" just cant manage to see

I have linked dozens of articles and videos on the subject and there are only a few leftovers who haven't been drug kicking and screaming into the light

freestyle=future
folkstyle=obsolete

switch to freestyle America!!!

[SAVE THE SPORT FROM THE OLYMPIC CHOPPING BLOCK]

# folkstyle crushed

 

[executionermma]

i'm not even sure if he's just a delusional and stupid guy talking out of his ass or a troll, can't decide

 

[Deleted member 110072]

He hit one trip which Brunson immediately popped back up. He shot several other times and was stuffed.

It wasn't just a couple quick TDs either. Brunson mounted him for a good while.

Shooting a few times doesn't mean your gameplan was to wrestle an opponent though, Romero's gameplan has pretty much always been to try and land a fight ending strike and with a view to that he often puts himself in positions were he might he vunerable to the takedown himself.

I mean even in this case Brunson did very little with his takedowns, barely landed a strike or threatened with subs.

 

[-guerilla-]

i'm not even sure if he's just a delusional and stupid guy talking out of his ass or a troll, can't decide

you certainly SOUND confused

I cant dumb it down any more than i did for d1 wrestler and gerald [jack/sometimesmaybee] prestly

 

[Deleted member 405583]

except I have international grappling experience in several different styles in addition to MMA and broke all the schools records where i coached folkstyle wrestling scoring 8x the points in the state championship as any other coach in school history!!

I only wrestled one year in highschool losing 3 times [2 point 1 pin] as our starting heavyweight because I preferred Judo and Kickboxing where I trained with world heavyweight champion Whillam Abdul Jarvis who also came to the MMA club I founded in 1993

After numerous wrestlers came to my MMA club I was convinced to take over my old highschool team since the older coach was quitting and they were gonna shut down the program if i did not

25 years later and i STILL coach wrestling and run a MMA club

BTW in several decades of running MY MMA club not a single athlete walked thru the doors and stopped me with a submission or a KO...not a single man beat me on their 1st day at the Louisville MMA club

I WAS THE DOMINANT ATHLETE at the louisville MMA club for more than a decade and a half AND i went to all the local gyms open mats where I was the dominant grappler for over a decade in the city of louisville KY

nobody tapped me in the city of Louisville KY 1993-2010 on our 1st match and NOBODY has a winning record against me in grappling cumulative ...NOBODY, not one single man!

I have only lost 3 MMA matches and only 1 was unavenged with a controversial stoppage

I Have a lot or verifiable experience and list my real name and bio on this site

Sounds more like you've trained with shitty people. And that the place you coach at just hasn't had a opportunity to get a better coach so they're stuck with you.

 

[-guerilla-]

Sounds more like you've trained with shitty people. And that the place you coach at just hasn't had a opportunity to get a better coach so they're stuck with you.

dont forget about my strength

everybody says I suck at fighting and just beat them all because im sooo strong

...yeah they were "stuck" with a guy that broke all the schools records, they would have liked to replace me with a better coach but unfortunately dan gable was unavailable

the punchline is that the program was gonna get shut down unless i took it over

so i did

and after i moved the next coach couldn't get anything done and it shut down

 

[Deleted member 405583]

dont forget about my strength

everybody says I suck at fighting and just beat them all because im sooo strong

...yeah they were "stuck" with a guy that broke all the schools records, they would have liked to replace me with a better coach but unfortunately dan gable was unavailable

the punchline is that the program was gonna get shut down unless i took it over

so i did

and after i moved the next coach couldn't get anything done and it shut down

1) when a shitty school has shitty records the bar isnt that high, especially in a state where wrestling is a joke.
2) so basically that went from a bad coach to an even worse one. That isnt a positive on you it's an indictment on the AD.

 

[thunderbeeast]

So what I gather is freestyle you can earn extra points for the greater the tank down, with less emphasis on ground control. This sounds exactly like Romero who can get good take downs but can’t seem to hold the person down if his life depended on it, which makes the takedown kind of useless. He uses all that energy and they get back up.

 

[jeff7b9]

Are we really going to pretend like Khabib’s Judo and Sambo don’t play a MAJOR role in his ability to string TD attempts and dominate wrestling?

Seems silly to try to discuss this style vs that style when the guy who is the primary example of one of those is possibly the most well rounded grappler in human history.

 

[-guerilla-]

1) when a shitty school has shitty records the bar isnt that high, especially in a state where wrestling is a joke.
2) so basically that went from a bad coach to an even worse one. That isnt a positive on you it's an indictment on the AD.

Bro...maybe u should take notes

program shutting down because no coach

i step in and save program from scrap heap

in process DEMOLISH all records

me=great coach

sorry buddy

if your inherit a program that 2nd and gos to 5th your a bad coach

if you inherent a program thats 5th and then get to 3rd your a good coach

if you in inherent a program that LAST and get to the middle your a great coach!

success is relative, now lets talk about wrestling in MMA not my personal background

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Are we really going to pretend like Khabib’s Judo and Sambo don’t play a MAJOR role in his ability to string TD attempts and dominate wrestling?

Seems silly to try to discuss this style vs that style when the guy who is the primary example of one of those is possibly the most well rounded grappler in human history.

I think actually Khabib's success comes partly from MMA skill sets becoming narrower over time. The dominant grappling tactics in the sport have become copying folk/freestyle tactics of avoiding being on your back at all costs and standing up from that position. When these guys give up their backs to Khabib to stand up he pushes them for it, either by improving position and threatening with GnP/Subs or staying on there backs and tripping them back down.

Its why Khabib matches all look the same IMHO, almost everyone tries the same counter to his grappling dispite it being ineffective because its all their trained to do and all their trainers know how to train them to do.

 

[-guerilla-]

So what I gather is freestyle you can earn extra points for the greater the tank down, with less emphasis on ground control. This sounds exactly like Romero who can get good take downs but can’t seem to hold the person down if his life depended on it, which makes the takedown kind of useless. He uses all that energy and they get back up.

ACTUALLY if you slam your opponent YET they manage to escape and stand up YET just get taken down again...you won the fight

MMA 101

Khabib is ALSO a freestyle wrestler BTW

 

[-guerilla-]

Are we really going to pretend like Khabib’s Judo and Sambo don’t play a MAJOR role in his ability to string TD attempts and dominate wrestling?

Seems silly to try to discuss this style vs that style when the guy who is the primary example of one of those is possibly the most well rounded grappler in human history.

NOBODY is pure anything in MMA

they are all universally cross-trained

Freestyle= takedowns slams and throws as their primary training goal

Folkstyle= riding and turning a turtled opponant over for the pin [most of wrestlings best slams and throws are illegal in folkstyle]

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I have had to dumb it down a 1000X for you morons

Jack [jgerald prestly's] alter ego=sometimesmaybe is correct [because i explained it to him so many times]

my little school had done TERRIBLY until I came along and blew all the records out

I took a program from LAST PLACE to the middle of the pack in a few short years

Thats because i am a great wrestling coach and my International hybrid system is superior to small town folkstyle 101

as one of the VERY FEW on sherdog that has both international and folk wrestling experience I have a unique vantage on the sport "disciples" just cant manage to see

I have linked dozens of articles and videos on the subject and there are only a few leftovers who haven't been drug kicking and screaming into the light

freestyle=future
folkstyle=obsolete

switch to freestyle America!!!

[SAVE THE SPORT FROM THE OLYMPIC CHOPPING BLOCK]

# folkstyle crushed

Your coaching style is superior yet you have zero college wrestlers from your coaching, zero state champs, zero state records. Small town folkstyle > fat non athlete zero accomplishments hybrid

 

[-guerilla-]

I think actually Khabib's success comes partly from MMA skill sets becoming narrower over time. The dominant grappling tactics in the sport have become copying folk/freestyle tactics of avoiding being on your back at all costs and standing up from that position. When these guys give up their backs to Khabib to stand up he pushes them for it, either by improving position and threatening with GnP/Subs or staying on there backs and tripping them back down.

Its why Khabib matches all look the same IMHO, almost everyone tries the same counter to his grappling dispite it being ineffective because its all their trained to do and all their trainers know how to train them to do.

great post...*punishing them for it

wrestlings primary fail is turning the back, great observation

 

[-guerilla-]

Your coaching style is superior yet you have zero college wrestlers from your coaching, zero state champs, zero state records. Small town folkstyle > fat non athlete zero accomplishments hybrid

I broke ALL the schools state records except 1

NOBODY is gonna pull a champ out of THAT environment

DAN GABLE couldn't take a tiny little underfunded program and produce a state champion because of some kind "magic touch"

coaches dont "produce" great athletes they REVEAL them, you have to have SUPPORT to reveal champion athletes

how do you know I didn't have any athletes become college wrestlers?

why are you so obsessed with me?

# gay crush?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I broke ALL the schools state records except 1

NOBODY is gonna pull a champ out of THAT environment

DAN GABLE couldn't take a tiny little underfunded program and produce a state champion because of some kind "magic touch"

coaches dont "produce" great athletes they REVEAL them, you have to have SUPPORT to reveal champion athletes

how do you know I didn't have any athletes become college wrestlers?

why are you so obsessed with me?

# gay crush?

Like I said. Zero state champs, zero college wrestlers, zero state records. Can

 

[-guerilla-]

Like I said. Zero state champs, zero college wrestlers, zero state records. Can

I know it hurts

I know it's extremely painful

For the first time in American history folkstyle wrestling actually got some respect

you actually became somebody and now Russian freestyle wrestlers are taking it all away

(Just like they beat American wrestlers in international wrestling they will do the same in MMA)

Lashing out against the bearer of bad tidings is completely normal

most actually do Kill the Messenger

One day when we look back at this record I can say I told you so

Thanks to your anonymity no one will know who you really were and you are going to keep it that way because you know you have been beaten

The fact is free-style wrestling prioritises the takedown slam and throw whereas it is literally illegal to slam or throw your opponent in most cases in folkstyle wrestling

Folkstyle wrestlers spend the vast majority of their training time riding a guy in turtle and practicing their breakdowns and pinning combinations

American folk style wrestlers dominated American MMA for quite a while, just like the BJJ disciples of the past

your time is coming to an end and I know it is a painful thing to accept

They (bjj disciples) reacted the same way when I told them that folk-style wrestlers were going to take over MMA back in the 90s

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I know it hurts

I know it's extremely painful

For the first time in American history folkstyle wrestling actually got some respect

you actually became somebody and now Russian freestyle wrestlers are taking it all away

(Just like they beat American wrestlers in international wrestling they will do the same in MMA)

Lashing out against the bearer of bad tidings is completely normal

most actually do Kill the Messenger

One day when we look back at this record I can say I told you so

Thanks to your anonymity no one will know who you really were and you are going to keep it that way because you know you have been beaten

The fact is free-style wrestling prioritises the takedown slam and throw whereas it is literally illegal to slam or throw your opponent in most cases in folkstyle wrestling

Folkstyle wrestlers spend the vast majority of their training time riding a guy in turtle and practicing their breakdowns and pinning combinations

American folk style wrestlers dominated American MMA for quite a while, just like the BJJ disciples of the past

your time is coming to an end and I know it is a painful thing to accept

They (bjj disciples) reacted the same way when I told them that folk-style wrestlers were going to take over MMA back in the 90s

Zero state champions
Zero college wrestlers
Zero state records
One of the worst wrestling states in the country
Zero personal accomplishments in wrestling

You're a fraud