FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

[-guerilla-]

Lol. Do you know how dumb you sound? It really is quite absurd.

If you’re trying to argue freestyle wrestling is better at preparing you to compete in freestyle wrestling, literally no one is arguing against that point.

If you’re trying to argue the US gets dominated in freestyle wrestling due to the focus on folk you sound like a fool.

If you’re trying to argue that freestyle wrestling is better for mma you have literally nothing to back it up and again you sound like a fool.

Literally the only point that has any credibility is that freestyle wrestling is better for freestyle wrestling, which again no one disputes.

Okay I understand your confusion

clearly you're a thinker and these threads are designed to flush the chumps

I am actually predicting the future not trying to "prove" a point

International wrestlers are going to displace folkstyle athletes because the takedown is king of MMA grappling and Freestyle takedowns are the same in mma

MMA ground work is bjj/sambo

Not folkstyle

folkstyle athletes are good at holding down a guy in turtle who doesn't choke or strike or go for submissions , its a completely different world

You have folkstyle dominating an artificial environment designed to favor the American athlete

once the freestyle wrestlers finally get in its curtains

I know it's painful for Folkstyle wrestlers as they finally got a shred of respect after decades of being the laughing stock of the sports community and now I'm taking it away from them

they're going to be pissed

I actually love American wrestling and that's why I advocated for them to switch to freestyle so we could dominate the International wrestling game and MMA

 

[jeremyemilio]

It's hard to believe this subject isn't more discussed as the recent influx of international soviet bloc wrestlers are dominating their folkstyle opponents in the UFC

statistically it's overwhelming that folkstyle wrestlers get destroyed by freestyle wrestlers in the sport of international wrestling AND UFC

There are literally only 3 active freestyle wrestlers in the UFC and they are undefeated in 6 years of competition vs their folkstyle counterparts in head to head competition

Freestyle (and Greco) as a style is MASSIVELY underrepresented in the UFC

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...rs-in-the-ufc-past-and-present.3969399/page-2

(Same senario in international wrestling for MANY decades as folkstyle athletes have lagged behind freestyle athletes in international competition)

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/why-america-cant-win-international-wrestling.3962719/

the plain simple fact is freestyle wrestlers focus on the takedown, slam and throw whereas folkstyle wrestlers focus on turning a guy from turtle to his back in the breakdown and pinning combination series, a near worthless skill in MMA as the vast majority of your grounded opponents will be working off their back...not holding in turtle as they look for an escape or reversal

as the UFC can no longer legitimately exclude freestyle wrestlers from their cards we will see more and more freestyle wrestlers coming in and crushing the folkstyle leftovers (just like in the sport of wrestling)

as someone that has coached folkstyle wrestling for over 20 years it has always frustrated me that America never made the switch to freestyle wrestling but instead held on to their unique style practiced nowhere else on earth

hopefully they will learn their lesson (a very painful lesson) in the near future

I completely understand why Americans maintain the fallacy that folkstyle wrestling is awesome for MMA because all they see on TV is folkstyle wrestlers winning in their local American tournaments

I have a explained folkstyles dominance in American MMA already

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

freestyle is making its appearance (FINALLY) and we have to brace for the impact



I concede that this (thus far) is largely work of one man as the UFC has wisely avoided feeding any other folkies to the FREESTYLE monster knocking on their door!

PS
These threads are all asking different questions and making different points

They are drawing the same responders whining about the same issues

(Try to ignore them and focus on the point of the THREAD)

in synopsis an underrepresented style is making a dominant run at the UFC golden goose and It's going to be a shock to the system because foreign athletes are going to take over the tournament (just as they did in the past)

funny how history has a way of repeating itself

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/are-americans-falling-behind-in-mma.3894589/

I don't necessarily disagree with your premise (although your samples size is a bit small to prove much of anything).

But I thought I'd comment on your disappointment that the US has not adopted Freestyle rules. As someone who coaches freestyle HS wrestling in Canada, just let me say be careful what you wish for. Freestyle wrestling is, and has been for quite some time, all about trying to avoid wrestling altogether for as much of the match as possible. It can be uninspiring to say the least (and almost got Wrestling removed from the Olympic games recently).

Be happy you coach Folkstyle where there are scrambles and a ground game and you actually get to teach kids to wrestle.

 

[kflo]

Okay I understand your confusion

clearly you're a thinker and these threads are designed to flush the chumps

I am actually predicting the future not trying to "prove" a point

International wrestlers are going to displace folkstyle athletes because the takedown is king of MMA grappling and Freestyle takedowns are the same in mma

MMA ground work is bjj/sambo

Not folkstyle

folkstyle athletes are good at holding down a guy in turtle who doesn't choke or strike or go for submissions , its a completely different world

You have folkstyle dominating an artificial environment designed to favor the American athlete

once the freestyle wrestlers finally get in its curtains

I know it's painful for Folkstyle wrestlers as they finally got a shred of respect after decades of being the laughing stock of the sports community and now I'm taking it away from them

they're going to be pissed

I actually love American wrestling and that's why I advocated for them to switch to freestyle so we could dominate the International wrestling game and MMA

But don’t you see how it makes your overall point lose any credibility when you make statements like “laughing stock”. How are they a laughing stock when they come in to free and win gold while transitioning from a different style?

What do you think would be the result if tomorrow team Russia had an ncaa style folkstyle wrestling meet against team USA?

 

[Fluffernutter]

aw shucks guys

I didn't know that video existed

Who wudda thaught there was a folkstyle athlete thinking folkstyles was the best type a wrestling

Course...soviet bloc may disagree

You will be seeing more of em in the future

Chael == folk and Greco.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

MMA ground work is bjj/sambo

That's completely false, mate. There's tons of folk/collegiate wrestlers who dominate MMA with top control, positioning, and ground and pound.

Fucking a you're so wrong here it's not funny.

Colby
Usman
Brock
Hendricks
GSP
Jones
Rashad
Fitch
Tito
Faber

I could name a million guys, mate. They don't train any sambo, and they train bjj to stop subs.


Sambo isn't a strong ground fighting style, just as judo isn't. Sambo is Russian judo, with strikes allowed in some rulesets.

Good God dude. Terrible, terrible stuff.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Just wait till we start getting fucking Mongolian wrestlers!

Lutte Senegalese!

 

[Fluffernutter]

Freestyle =takedown/turns

folk style is spread out over takedowns and groundwork

About 50/50

Folkstyle groundwork is exclusively based on turning a guy from Turtle to his back which is the exact opposite of what you need in MMA or a real fight scenario

In MMA an athlete will only go to turtle for a split second before they pop up or roll into guard /knee bars

BJJ is king of the ground wrestling is king of standing...

freestyle is king of standing wrestling

Freestyle is king of MMA

I disagree with some of what you say. I agree with some of what you say.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Actually it’s more like Olympic level anything > collegiate level anything

There are lots of freestyle trained wrestlers who aren’t nearly as successful in mma

 

[-guerilla-]

Lol. Do you know how dumb you sound? It really is quite absurd.

If you’re trying to argue freestyle wrestling is better at preparing you to compete in freestyle wrestling, literally no one is arguing against that point.

If you’re trying to argue the US gets dominated in freestyle wrestling due to the focus on folk you sound like a fool.

If you’re trying to argue that freestyle wrestling is better for mma you have literally nothing to back it up and again you sound like a fool.

Literally the only point that has any credibility is that freestyle wrestling is better for freestyle wrestling, which again no one disputes.

Okay I understand your confusion

clearly you're a thinker and these threads are designed to flush the chumps

I am actually predicting the future not trying to prove a point

what's going to happen:

Soviet block freestyle wrestlers are going to pound your folkstyle athletes out of MMA

in the comming years you guys are going to sit around slack jawed realizing I predicted all this

just like I did about BJJ back in the underground forum days

BTW

Of course nobodys arguing that Folkstyle is better for FREESTYLE COMPETITION

thats why AMERICA CANT WIN INTERNATIONAL WRESTLING

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/why-america-cant-win-international-wrestling.3962719/

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Okay I understand your confusion

clearly you're a thinker and these threads are designed to flush the chumps

I am actually predicting the future not trying to prove a point

what's going to happen:

Soviet block freestyle wrestlers are going to pound your folkstyle athletes out of MMA

in the comming years you guys are going to sit around slack jawed realizing I predicted all this

just like I did about BJJ back in the underground forum days

BTW

Of course nobodys arguing that Folkstyle is better for FREESTYLE COMPETITION

thats why AMERICA CANT WIN INTERNATIONAL WRESTLING

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/why-america-cant-win-international-wrestling.3962719/

Lol @ using your own shit thread as proof.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Okay I understand your confusion

clearly you're a thinker and these threads are designed to flush the chumps

I am actually predicting the future not trying to "prove" a point

International wrestlers are going to displace folkstyle athletes because the takedown is king of MMA grappling and Freestyle takedowns are the same in mma

MMA ground work is bjj/sambo

Not folkstyle

folkstyle athletes are good at holding down a guy in turtle who doesn't choke or strike or go for submissions , its a completely different world

You have folkstyle dominating an artificial environment designed to favor the American athlete

once the freestyle wrestlers finally get in its curtains

I know it's painful for Folkstyle wrestlers as they finally got a shred of respect after decades of being the laughing stock of the sports community and now I'm taking it away from them

they're going to be pissed

I actually love American wrestling and that's why I advocated for them to switch to freestyle so we could dominate the International wrestling game and MMA

The freestyle guys aren't getting in tho most Russian wrestlers have no interest in mma

 

[beastman]

The vast majority of khabib's training background is free-style wrestling through the old Soviet Bloc infrastructure that his father is in control of

Khabib's father is also primarily a Freestyle Wrestling

However all Soviet Bloc grapplers are pretty well-versed in Judo and sambo as well

Khabib sambo is legit

 

[stipeszn]

Ok I’ll bite:

Can you provide some notable examples of both styles that have had success in MMA, so that us uneducated guys can have some context? I asked a wrestler in my BJJ class the difference between the styles, but I didn’t really understand his explanation.

Are all American collegiate wrestlers folk style? It seems that Colby, Cormier, CCC, Colby, etc. are all pretty dominant. And I thought Barnett was catch? And what about the Dagestan/ Russian guys like Khabib? Are they all freestyle?

Collegiate wrestlers are all folkstyle. However CCC never wrestled in college, just did freestyle

 

[-guerilla-]

Fujita versus Kerr
is a perfect example of how American wrestlers are no good at throwing knees and are at a disadvantage versus the Superior takedowns of freestyle in MMA

people who don't understand soccer kick MMA think if you make knees to a grounded opponent legal wrestlers will be advantaged

what they don't realize is that it takes decades to learn to throw effective knees especially on the ground and that's not something American wrestlers are just going to "pick up" rather it wildly benefits than knee and kick Specialists of Russia Latin America and Asia and negatively impacted the American wrestler

This fight also illistrates how Freestyle Wrestling has Superior takedowns and even ground control

freestyle expert Fujita dominates folk style expert mark kerr with his grappling and takedown technique

Kerr was able to start strong but as soon as Fujita realized that he was a one-trick pony he took advantage of his Superior grappling Style... Freestyle Wrestling

This was a Seminole fight for the UFC's learning curve as they knew exactly what they needed to do to benefit the American wrestler in the future

get rid of FREESTYLE wrestlers and get rid of SOCCERKICKS
Watching the strongest wrestlers in the world fall to soccer kick MMA and freestyle taught the UFC some valuable lessons
these fights were critical in the development of the UFC's "product"
FUJITA KERR
CRO COP RANDALLMAN/ COLEMAN
Vovchanchyn Coleman

 

[Myrddin Wild]

the plain simple fact is freestyle wrestlers focus on the takedown, slam and throw whereas folkstyle wrestlers focus on turning a guy from turtle to his back in the breakdown and pinning combination series, a near worthless skill in MMA as the vast majority of your grounded opponents will be working off their back...not holding in turtle as they look for an escape or reversal

This is sooo backwards from reality.

You literally have the majority of UFC champs right now who are "Collegiate" wrestlers. (I prefer the term "Collegiate" over "Folkstyle" because Folkstyle has too many alternate styles... & what we're really talking about is the "Collegiate" method.)

I'm not even sure you can count Khabib out since he has moved from russia to train with the best collegiate wrestlers in the world & is obviously training very hard to incorporate the muscle memory of this style of holding people down.

Freestyle is a completely horrible method for MMA for one glaringly obvious reason. THEY GET SAVED BY THE REF AFTER 15 SECONDS ON THE GROUND. Lol... so these guys can drill their throws all they want, but they don't have the muscle memory to keep control. That one VERY IMPORTANT difference is why Collegiate wrestlers are at the head of the snake.

 

[-guerilla-]

The freestyle guys aren't getting in tho most Russian wrestlers have no interest in mma

Are you even a wrestler??

Noticed you dodged the question

LOL @ Russians aren't getting into MMA




#waterboy#

 

[H0nkey K0ng]

Greco is where its at. Especially since most of MMA grappling involves over and unders up against the fence.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Are you even a wrestler??

Noticed you dodged the question

LOL @ Russians aren't getting into MMA




#waterboy#

When did khabib or fedor wrestle for the national team or enter any tournament? Please link

I was clearly talking about Russian freestyle wrestlers you Kentucky inbred

Dodge what question? I've posted a pic of my d1 conference team championship ring before. I would have wrecked any kid you ever coached all those scrubs who couldn't even make a d3 roster

 

[-guerilla-]

When did khabib or fedor wrestle for the national team or enter any tournament? Please link

I was clearly talking about Russian freestyle wrestlers you Kentucky inbred

Dodge what question? I've posted a pic of my d1 conference team championship ring before. I would have wrecked any kid you ever coached all those scrubs who couldn't even make a d3 roster

Whats your name guy?

Want to see some of your skills on the mat...

Bring that saab to the FIGHTCLUB

#fake wrestler lectures veteran coach

All Russians know how to wrestle freestyle they have it in the kindergarten there...LOL

I already told you the best wrestlers are going to get beat in future MMA

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...c-mma-wrestling-is-not-best-mma-base.3983081/

They are average freestyle wrestlers (Khabib and Fedor) that's why they knocked out your folk Heroes except for a couple crap stoppages in safespace MMA... they didn't spend their whole lives learning how to turn somebody to their back,

they...
like all freestyle wrestlers...
mastered the takedown slamm and throw

Not riding turtles

 

[-guerilla-]

Folkstyle wrestling becomes OBSOLETE after school and conversion to international wrestling is most often painful and unsuccessful

American wrestlers failure to win at the international level has kept big advertisers away from the sport and relegated it to the "back of the bus" in the american sports compendium

Folkstyle athletes gained a small reprieve when American rules mma gave them a edge over their soccerkicking adversaries in the new "safespace" version of MMA

Most casual observers were blissfully unaware that there was a powerhouse who consistently beat american wrestlers at the sport of wrestling

the layman fanboy had no idea that this powerhouse of international wrestling was not gaining access to american MMA and this created an artificial environment where american heroes could win and american companies could sell swag [fake wrestling style] to the ghettos and trailer parks

times have changed and now we are seeing MORE AND MORE athletes with FREESTYLE wrestling as a training style entering AMERICAN MMA and taking over

the reprieve of respect the american folkstyle wrestlers enjoyed is coming to an end and its gonna be a painful ride returning to the back of the bus