FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

[DanAndroid]

Name one pure folkstyle wrestler in the UFC today. The best wrestlers come from the colleges, who practice collegiate wrestling not pure american folkstyle or freestyle. TS is actually retarded, he doesn't even understand what folkstyle means. If you are talking about the US collegiate system, please use the phrase collegiate wrestling. Folkstyle can literally mean a ton of different styles.

 

[kflo]

Actually I said that freestyle wrestlers dominate International competition over Folkies

So what you’re saying is that freestyle wrestles dominate freestyle wrestling?

Folkstyle wrestlers don’t do well in freestyle wrestling until they transition to freestyle. Then they are freestyle wrestlers. And those guys dominate......

 

[-guerilla-]

Name one pure folkstyle wrestler in the UFC today. The best wrestlers come from the colleges, who practice collegiate wrestling not pure american folkstyle or freestyle. TS is actually retarded, he doesn't even understand what folkstyle means. If you are talking about the US collegiate system, please use the phrase collegiate wrestling. Folkstyle can literally mean a ton of different styles.

Everybody knows that I'm referring to Scholastic wrestling when I say folk Style

Americans have part-time freestyle that's the difference

 

[-guerilla-]

So what you’re saying is that freestyle wrestles dominate freestyle wrestling?

Folkstyle wrestlers don’t do well in freestyle wrestling until they transition to freestyle. Then they are freestyle wrestlers. And those guys dominate......

LOL in head-to-head matchups freestyle wrestlers beat folk style wrestlers more often in MMA and in wrestling

 

[-guerilla-]

Finally exposed the big conspiracy did you? I'm thinking it useless, but I'll ask. Where have you been coaching wrestling for 20 years? Your garage or an actual competitive scene?

The American public school system is where I have excellent records

In fact I broke every record in school history at my primary facility scoring more than eight times the points of any other coach in the history of the school

 

[-guerilla-]

The fucking boob tried telling us he lost 3 matches in over a decade...yet went to a college with no wrestling team.

Reading is fundamental I only wrestled one year in school and went back to coach for 20 years after that

There were no colleges that had wrestling in my district

In fact I started the wrestling team at the University of Louisville, of course it gained no traction whatsoever cuz nobody cares about wrestling

 

[-guerilla-]

Because large majority of UFC fighters are American, so it would make sense that the large majority are folk wrestlers, not sure why that is baffling for you.

Also America has probably the steongest wrestling team in the world righr, taking majority of world titles, which proves Folk > Freestyle.

So how come there is only been a tiny handful of freestyle wrestlers in UFC history?

 

[kflo]

LOL in head-to-head matchups freestyle wrestlers beat folk style wrestlers more often in MMA and in wrestling

Team USA does pretty well in freestyle. In other words, guys with a folkstyle background outperform what would be expected, and certainly relative to what you are implying.

 

[kflo]

So how come there is only been a tiny handful of freestyle wrestlers in UFC history?

Are they excelling in other orgs instead?

 

[-guerilla-]

Yeah, I'm the one that got after that and he confessed. Every coach in the USA worth their position has their guys wrestling freestyle and GR in the off season, but apparently this guy doesn't know that. Now the Bib is his example, who trains with DC and Cain. Any guess which style they primary practiced Gorilla? If freestyle was the only answer he wouldn't be with them, but I'm wasting my time. This guy is in need of some attention.

America wrestles freestyle part-time in the offseason they do not have freestyle from the ground up

 

[-guerilla-]

 

[Intellidamus]

Jake Shields has an extensive folkstyle background.

 

[gotBooched]

It's hard to believe this subject isn't more discussed as the recent influx of international soviet bloc wrestlers are dominating their folkstyle opponents in the UFC

statistically it's overwhelming that folkstyle wrestlers get destroyed by freestyle wrestlers in the sport of international wrestling AND UFC

There are literally only 3 active freestyle wrestlers in the UFC and they are undefeated in 6 years of competition vs their folkstyle counterparts in head to head competition

Freestyle (and Greco) as a style is MASSIVELY underrepresented in the UFC

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...rs-in-the-ufc-past-and-present.3969399/page-2

(Same senario in international wrestling for MANY decades as folkstyle athletes have lagged behind freestyle athletes in international competition)

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/why-america-cant-win-international-wrestling.3962719/

the plain simple fact is freestyle wrestlers focus on the takedown, slam and throw whereas folkstyle wrestlers focus on turning a guy from turtle to his back in the breakdown and pinning combination series, a near worthless skill in MMA as the vast majority of your grounded opponents will be working off their back...not holding in turtle as they look for an escape or reversal

as the UFC can no longer legitimately exclude freestyle wrestlers from their cards we will see more and more freestyle wrestlers coming in and crushing the folkstyle leftovers (just like in the sport of wrestling)

as someone that has coached folkstyle wrestling for over 20 years it has always frustrated me that America never made the switch to freestyle wrestling but instead held on to their unique style practiced nowhere else on earth

hopefully they will learn their lesson (a very painful lesson) in the near future

I completely understand why Americans maintain the fallacy that folkstyle wrestling is awesome for MMA because all they see on TV is folkstyle wrestlers winning in their local American tournaments

I have a explained folkstyles dominance in American MMA already

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

freestyle is making its appearance (FINALLY) and we have to brace for the impact



I concede that this (thus far) is largely work of one man as the UFC has wisely avoided feeding any other folkies to the FREESTYLE monster knocking on their door!

PS
These threads are all asking different questions and making different points

They are drawing the same responders whining about the same issues

(Try to ignore them and focus on the point of the THREAD)

in synopsis an underrepresented style is making a dominant run at the UFC golden goose and It's going to be a shock to the system because foreign athletes are going to take over the tournament (just as they did in the past)

funny how history has a way of repeating itself

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/are-americans-falling-behind-in-mma.3894589/

Hey bro I read this post top to bottom and I just wanted to say thank you for providing some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on this site

 

[-guerilla-]

Team USA does pretty well in freestyle. In other words, guys with a folkstyle background outperform what would be expected, and certainly relative to what you are implying.

they are getting better but still cant win the big prizes

 

[-guerilla-]

Hey bro I read this post top to bottom and I just wanted to say thank you for providing some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on this site

is that your "professional" opinion LOL

 

[kflo]

they are getting better but still cant win the big prizes

They don’t win world championships or Olympic gold? Really?

 

[-guerilla-]

This guy says running is bad cardio training then you go watch old Louisville fight club Videos where he supposedly coaches and they all gas in one round of wrestling and throw arm punches for the final 2 rounds. He's either a troll or a really low iq uncle Rico type guy

I FOUNDED a MMA club when you were probably in gradeschool

 

[grimballer]

Folk style is much more groundwork oriented

the only problem is they're taught to turn their back on their opponent

I've been coaching folkstyle wrestling for 20 years

Basically control is more valued in folk n you don’t get extra points for fancy throws or rolling your opponent over n over (if I understand correctly)

In that case folk would be better when transitioning to mma

 

[-guerilla-]

They don’t win world championships or Olympic gold? Really?

every once and a while they do win a few...one world champ in 22 years was it??



AND THEN next year 3rd...

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1

Russia 10 1 2 13
2

Japan 5 1 4 10
3

United States 4 3 5 12
4

Turkey 1 4 4 9

 

[-guerilla-]

Basically control is more valued in folk n you don’t get extra points for fancy throws or rolling your opponent over n over (if I understand correctly)

In that case folk would be better when transitioning to mma

as long as nobody works off their back on the ground it it!