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FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

theblackknight said:
Did Jordan Burroughs ever compete in freestyle before winning the world championships in 2011? Crazy he could just come in there with a folk style background and dominate like that.
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Of course. It's not like freestyle isn't practiced until you graduate. There are many freestyle and greco tournaments in America starting at the youth level.
 
Te Huna Matata said:
Of course. It's not like freestyle isn't practiced until you graduate. There are many freestyle and greco tournaments in America starting at the youth level.
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Source or info? I know there are and some guys practice freestyle/Greco in preparation for the olympics once they graduate in addition to competing in tournaments growing up.
 
Slatersan said:
Khabib has been training freestyle dagestani wrestling his whole life. Pure sambo guys dont wrestle like that. Look at fedor. Fedor is pure sambo. Mark coleman easily outwrestled fedor. Fedor just had way more tricks up his sleeve and was a complete grappler.
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There really isn't any such thing as "pure sambo", its an environment were people bring many skill sets to play(basically MMA before MMA), Fedor for example was a pretty high level(3rd best in Russia twice) Judoka before sambo.

A big issue really is always economics IMHO, you get so many folkstyle wrestlers in MMA partly because a lot of the sports training is based in the US as is by far the largest org but also due to the lack of other career options. If your a high level folkstyle wrestler at collage then really theres not much in the way of career prospects for using that skill afterwards, you could try and move to Freestye/Greco and go for the Olympics but funding isn't amazing as far as I'm aware or maybe you could work as a trainer but positions are limited. That's why MMA is so appealing to folkstyle wrestlers, if they want to make a career out of using their skills is one of the best options.

I'm guessing though that freestyle and Greco like Judo are better funded sports, easier to make a living staying within them hence less desire to take a risk moving to MMA. In Fedor's case I believe he only ended up in sambo/MMA because some kind of politics in Russian judo was stopping him getting his "master of sports" status and the funding that would have given him.

The current environment as well is worse than the 00's I'd say since the UFC is rarely that proactive in signing people early, it depends on fighters building themselves up. I'm pretty certain that Fedor's shift to MMA took the form of Russian Top Team telling him that if he switched sports they would use their relationship with RINGS to get him into big matches fast and that's just what happened, a couple of fights on RINGS regional events and then on a Tokyo show within 6 months of debut.
 
theblackknight said:
Source or info? I know there are and some guys practice freestyle/Greco in preparation for the olympics once they graduate in addition to competing in tournaments growing up.
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There is a massive tournament in Fargo every year for high school aged athletes that is greco and freestyle. It's been going on since at least the 70s. Here is more info on some big names and how they did.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5067700-how-did-wrestlings-best-fare-in-fargo
 
theblackknight said:
So we are ignoring guys like Jones, Usman, etc?
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Oh yea...Bones mollywhopped Vlad when he was barely past puberty...thanks, i forgot that one.

So we have Brunson outwrestling a fucking silver medalist (Romero)

-Vlad getting worked by guys who stopped wrestling after JUCO

Shalorus going 0-3 in the UFC and getting outwrestled by Jim Miller.

Let's hear it TS
 
theblackknight said:
Still no info on Burroughs, even his official website doesn’t mention anything about competing in freestyle prior to graduating college.
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Specifically on Burroughs...I'll have to do some digging. Recording keeping in wrestling is weak at best. I know going into his senior year of college, his coaches told him that his focus was Tsargush (the reigning Russian world champ) and not Andrew Howe (the #2 at his college weight). I saw that in a documentary that Flo did on him a while back. So he was actively training freestyle during that time. I'll have to do some searching to find specifics.
 
Freestyle focuses on the takedown. Folkstyle focuses on the control. The end?
 
Never understood this

Freestyle vs folk style discussion

Ppl are acting like it’s completely different style.

It’s essentially the same thing with different scoring criteria.

Also I heard folkstyle favors escapes, so getting back up after a td is more of a skill needed in folkstyle
 
MartinGibson86 said:
So we have Brunson outwrestling a fucking silver medalist (Romero)
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Romero though is clearly focused on striking rather than wrestling most of the time, a superior wrestler can be taken down by an inferior one in such a situation.
 
Finally exposed the big conspiracy did you? I'm thinking it useless, but I'll ask. Where have you been coaching wrestling for 20 years? Your garage or an actual competitive scene?
 
TallGHunter said:
Finally exposed the big conspiracy did you? I'm thinking it useless, but I'll ask. Where have you been coaching wrestling for 20 years? Your garage or an actual competitive scene?
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The fucking boob tried telling us he lost 3 matches in over a decade...yet went to a college with no wrestling team.
 
-guerilla- said:
I am biased towards my opinion that Freestyle Wrestling is superior for MMA competition

The vast majority of the world's wrestlers are freestyle and there's only three of them competing in the UFC

does that make sense to you?
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Because large majority of UFC fighters are American, so it would make sense that the large majority are folk wrestlers, not sure why that is baffling for you.

Also America has probably the steongest wrestling team in the world righr, taking majority of world titles, which proves Folk > Freestyle.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Another post about this? C'mon dude.


Coach or Troll, Sherdog you be the judge.
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This guy says running is bad cardio training then you go watch old Louisville fight club Videos where he supposedly coaches and they all gas in one round of wrestling and throw arm punches for the final 2 rounds. He's either a troll or a really low iq uncle Rico type guy
 
moreorless87 said:
Romero though is clearly focused on striking rather than wrestling most of the time, a superior wrestler can be taken down by an inferior one in such a situation.
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He hit one trip which Brunson immediately popped back up. He shot several other times and was stuffed.

It wasn't just a couple quick TDs either. Brunson mounted him for a good while.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
The fucking boob tried telling us he lost 3 matches in over a decade...yet went to a college with no wrestling team.
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Yeah, I'm the one that got after that and he confessed. Every coach in the USA worth their position has their guys wrestling freestyle and GR in the off season, but apparently this guy doesn't know that. Now the Bib is his example, who trains with DC and Cain. Any guess which style they primary practiced Gorilla? If freestyle was the only answer he wouldn't be with them, but I'm wasting my time. This guy is in need of some attention.
 
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