FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

[-guerilla-]

That doesn't mean you can't be bias towards freeestyle, you hich you obviously are if you think fighters are being blocked for being freestyle.

I am biased towards my opinion that Freestyle Wrestling is superior for MMA competition

The vast majority of the world's wrestlers are freestyle and there's only three of them competing in the UFC

does that make sense to you?

 

[Where you at Georges?]

The vast majority of khabib's training background is free-style wrestling through the old Soviet Bloc infrastructure that his father is in control of

Khabib's father is also primarily a Freestyle Wrestling

However all Soviet Bloc grapplers are pretty well-versed in Judo and sambo as well

Great info. I am an iowan wrestled at states free and folk been too the trials at Carver Hawkeye.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Ok I’ll bite:

Can you provide some notable examples of both styles that have had success in MMA, so that us uneducated guys can have some context? I asked a wrestler in my BJJ class the difference between the styles, but I didn’t really understand his explanation.

Are all American collegiate wrestlers folk style? It seems that Colby, Cormier, CCC, Colby, etc. are all pretty dominant. And I thought Barnett was catch? And what about the Dagestan/ Russian guys like Khabib? Are they all freestyle?

Any of the collegiate folkstyle/non-Greco Americans that reached Olympic level like Cormier, Askren, Cejudo, Mark Coleman, etc all are expert freestyle wrestlers at that point.

Too bad Bilyal Makhov bailed out.

 

[vengeful]

What technique is there in freestyle wrestling that isn't in folkstyle wrestling that makes it superior for MMA?

 

[EXOICHO]

What technique is there in freestyle wrestling that isn't in folkstyle wrestling that makes it superior for MMA?

freestyle focuses way more on explosive takedowns vs folkstyle having more options for actual ground control

 

[gaspam]

What high level folkstyle wrestler has khabib beat? I dont think he has gone against any elite folkstyle wrestlers.

none, that's why he ignored this question from you, it doesnt validate the invalid point he's trying to make

the 2 best folkstyle that khabib beat was michael johnson and al iaquinta , both competed at community college level... lol not quite what most would consider "high level credentials"

 

[MartinGibson86]

Has there been any high level folkstyle vs freestyle match ups? Khabib vs abel trujillo isnt that.

Mediocre Tito outwrestled international star Vlad...but don't tell TS that.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Great point

the fact is Americans only trained freestyle part-time after they have been exposed to folkstyle as their primary wrestling ruleset and this puts them at a massive disadvantage in international competition

just like I Linked In My o p

I'd say Judo is better for self-defense then either one of them since it includes chokes and lapel grips

No you fucking idiot. Lots of Americans priortize Free/Greco.

Oh and D2 Brunson completely outwrestled Romero.

I've provided 2 examples in this thread of lower tier folkstylists outwrestling Freestyle stars in mma.

Let's hear it, ya goof.

 

[MartinGibson86]

So the fact that Freestyle Wrestling is undefeated vs. Folkstyle wrestling in head-to-head UFC matches is " just something I want to believe?"

Maybe folkstyle won a match somewhere in the past that I missed?

Tito beat Vlad...



retard.

 

[lsa]

Tito beat Vlad...



retard.

Hey man!
If UFC did not protect its fighters from all them high level Iranian wrestlers!

 

[MartinGibson86]

Hey man!
If UFC did not protect its fighters from all them high level Iranian wrestlers!

Yea can you imagine if a beast like Shalorus ever got in the UFC?

Scary stuff man

 

[TheJohnnyWalkerEra]

I'm not into wrestling by itself, I just watch it in MMA.

From this thread I see that international competitions like the Olympics and world championships are "freestyle"

My question is, are "folkstyle" takedowns and techniques banned in freestyle? If not, wouldn't the folkstyle dudes win more often in international competition if they were better?

 

[theblackknight]

So we are ignoring guys like Jones, Usman, etc?

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Another post about this? C'mon dude.


Coach or Troll, Sherdog you be the judge.

 

[EXOICHO]

Any of the collegiate folkstyle/non-Greco Americans that reached Olympic level like Cormier, Askren, Cejudo, Mark Coleman, etc all are expert freestyle wrestlers at that point.

Too bad Bilyal Makhov bailed out.

askren's style was the epitome of folkstyle though

he wasn't too good at freestyle in the olympics

 

[Human Bass]

Greco is way too limited for mma. Pure greco guys end up having too poor of a ground game.

Overall folk is the one that blends best with grappling. Khabib, who has trained submissions and gnp his whole life as a combat sambo guy, cant be called a freestyle wrestler. Although he clearly has trained and adopted some freestyle techniques.

 

[listrahtes]

Success in wrestling doesnt guarantee a succesful transition into mma . Its a bonus but there are more deciding factors. The difference in wrestling is not about freestyle being better or worse. One could also argue folk is better because of ground control (very important aspect) Most high level wrestlers can adapt in a short amount of time to other styles because they have learned to shoulder a very high training load, are mentally strong and have high level motoric abilities. The equilibrium of most wrestlers is simply outstanding no matter which style.

Its about talent pool size very simple.

Folkstyle only being used in the US has a much smaller talent pool and because of that less elite talent (they still have elite talent!). Iron sharpens Iron. If you make it in freestyle you have proven yourself against a shark tank of the best wrestlers from all over the world, Russia, Iran, Japan, some west european , turkey., Cuba....etc. And they have national support programms.

I am a little curious how a wrestling coach doesnt see this.

 

[Te Huna Matata]

I'm not into wrestling by itself, I just watch it in MMA.

From this thread I see that international competitions like the Olympics and world championships are "freestyle"

My question is, are "folkstyle" takedowns and techniques banned in freestyle? If not, wouldn't the folkstyle dudes win more often in international competition if they were better?

A few things.

American high school and collegiate wrestling is folkstyle. International wrestling is freestyle and greco roman. Folk is only practiced in America.

But to answer your question, exactly none. But wrestling is more than takedowns. America currently has 4 current or former world champs on their world team (5 if you count Taylor who is on the shelf with an ACL injury). There are 10 weight classes. So America is doing just fine on the international level.

 

[theblackknight]

Did Jordan Burroughs ever compete in freestyle before winning the world championships in 2011? Crazy he could just come in there with a folk style background and dominate like that.

 

[Te Huna Matata]

Success in wrestling doesnt guarantee a succesful transition into mma . Its a bonus but there are more deciding factors. The difference in wrestling is not about freestyle being better or worse. One could also argue folk is better because of ground control (very important aspect) Most high level wrestlers can adapt in a short amount of time to other styles because they have learned to shoulder a very high training load, are mentally strong and have high level motoric abilities. The equilibrium of most wrestlers is simply outstanding no matter which style.

Its about talent pool size very simple.

Folkstyle only being used in the US has a much smaller talent pool and because of that less elite talent (they still have elite talent!). Iron sharpens Iron. If you make it in freestyle you have proven yourself against a shark tank of the best wrestlers from all over the world, Russia, Iran, Japan, some west european , turkey., Cuba....etc. And they have national support programms.

I am a little curious how a wrestling coach doesnt see this.

Because the TS is a fucking moron who gets roasted by people who actually have an understanding of the sport in every shit thread he starts. Just look through the threads he started.