Fraudulent Attributes

[LeBron]

Which fighters are supposed to be elite at a particular discipline, but rarely use it or got beat by it against “lesser” competition. I’ll start:

- Most American college wrestlers
- Romero’s wrestling
- Magomedov’s wrestling

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Keith Jardine's world-class BJJ that we literally never saw. I think Rogan hallucinated that.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Luke Rockhold stuffed his jocks like he was packing a huge member, but it was fake and his weigh in pics showed us the reality (a lot less impressive)

Now that's a fraudulent attribute.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Keith Jardine's world-class BJJ that we literally never saw. I think Rogan hallucinated that.

I don't doubt it, so shouldn't really say it, but this has also been the case with Aldo's ground game.

 

[Human Bass]

Romero was a weird case of having wrestling but not really any grappling

 

[Fedorgasm]

For the longest time they tried to sell every Brazilian as a BJJ ace.

Vitor
Wandy
Shogun
even Machida

 

[BJJ4Tone]

Keith Jardine's world-class BJJ that we literally never saw. I think Rogan hallucinated that.

Anything Rogan claims, you can pretty much believe the opposite.

Rogan is a RE-TARD

 

[IneedSometop]

I don't doubt it, so shouldn't really say it, but this has also been the case with Aldo's ground game.

I do think with Aldos ground game anytime he chose to implement it he was successful. He outgrappled Chito easily, he hit lamas with a nasty guard pass straight to mount when lamas had double butterflies, and hominick except for round 5 when he coasted out the 5th and just held him in closed guard.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Charles oliveria ground game; been finished on the ground by guys like pettis and felder who shouldn't beat him there.

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

Conor Mctapper is a decent boxer and striker, but when Khabib outstruck and rocked him that was pretty humiliating

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I do think with Aldos ground game anytime he chose to implement it he was successful. He outgrappled Chito easily, he hit lamas with a nasty guard pass straight to mount when lamas had double butterflies, and hominick except for round 5 when he coasted out the 5th and just held him in closed guard.

Meanwhile all we saw of Jardine's ground game ever was him off his back but for different reasons.

Charles oliveria ground game; been finished on the ground by guys like pettis and felder who shouldn't beat him there.

Sure but you think it's bad enough that Chucky's ground game is a "fraudulent attribute"?

 

[SalvadorAllende]

I do think with Aldos ground game anytime he chose to implement it he was successful. He outgrappled Chito easily, he hit lamas with a nasty guard pass straight to mount when lamas had double butterflies, and hominick except for round 5 when he coasted out the 5th and just held him in closed guard.

I also remember him taking Korean Zombie down and holding him there. Zombie was never a slouch in the ground.

I wish Aldo would have used his grappling more.

Sure but you think it's bad enough that Chucky's ground game is a "fraudulent attribute"?

Charles Oliveira on the ground is the grappler version of a glass cannon elite striker. Pure offense.. gets caught sometimes.

 

[Shaolin Alan]

Keith Jardine's world-class BJJ that we literally never saw. I think Rogan hallucinated that.

BJJ Black belt (fat belt) Roy Nelson, who I don't think ever tried to sub anyone in UFC, that I can recall

 

[shh]

Roy Nelson - Kung Fu.

 

[pick999]

Mexican warrior fighter Spirit -any Mexican fighter

 

[IneedSometop]

I also remember him taking Korean Zombie down and holding him there. Zombie was never a slouch in the ground.

I wish Aldo would have used his grappling more.


Charles Oliveira on the ground is the grappler version of a glass cannon elite striker. Pure offense.. gets caught sometimes.

I think he didn’t use his grappling because he didn’t have great cardio. He was notorious for slowing down in rounds 4-5. If he would have been able to up his cardio he may have been able to use it more….. he was also levels above pretty much everyone striking during his initial title reign

 

[jeskola]

Jorge Gurgel. Elite level BJJ champion who loved to box in UFC.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Sure but you think it's bad enough that Chucky's ground game is a "fraudulent attribute"?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Armen, Edgar, Felder, Islam, Pettis and Lamas all finished or beat him on the ground. He's a bad nail and his defense on the ground is not nearly as good as his offense. When gaethje and Porier had him dropped they probably could have finished him like Felder did, but they were they respected his ground game too much and let him back up. Islam went straight for the head and arm triangle and Charles didn't do a thing to contest it.

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

- Khabib's iron chin - like that was ever tested
- Khabib's ground and pound - hyped as possibly the best ever when he has stopped what.... 1 UFC opponent with strikes?
- BJ Penn's guard - 0 submission wins from guard EVER and yet it was a thin layer of vaseline that swayed the fight apparently
- DC's chin - the severity of that Rumble Johnson punch is highly exaggerated
- Robert Whittaker's wrestling - he absorbed the overratedness of Yoel's MMA wrestling
- Mousasi's everything when fighting a relevant opponent in a non-fixed fight

As OP said, the majority of fighters who are hyped as having an "active guard" are extremely overrated in modern day. Submissions that aren't just basic Guillotines/RNCs are virtually extinct in high level MMA so it's laughable to hear so many people act like "x fighter will win if the fight goes to the ground" as if that outcome has been at all likely for anyone in the last decade.