Francis is the incarnate of the A-Level athlete fantasy

[storeybuckle]

And not just an a level athlete. But an a level athlete who's built for fighting. There's also lots of dudes out there who can jump, run fast, strong etc but don't have the touch of death or the iron chin

Basketball players also lack the testicular fortitude

 

[Yellowcrab]

You’re assuming some invisible force is keeping Club Soccer teams from signing the best players. While inequality does exist it’s a fallacy to attribute any & everything to inequality. I have constantly mentioned both the Champions League, and the World Cup. Now your slippery slope argument is that discrimination which does exist, must be the significant factor in explaining why both the World Cup and Champions League soccer aren’t dominated by a single skin color or continent. Champions League soccer is bigger business than MLB, and Blacks would be recruited like Dominicans are and they’d dominate like in Basketball if my points weren’t valid, because there’d be money in it.

If your reading skills are so low, i'm not going to answer you anymore... firstly, i don't care about skin color, i'm only discussing a logical point.

As for the world cup : it's obvious that the disparities between countries play an enormous role, so i don't have to say anything else. If you can't understand such a basic point, then you're wasting my time.

As for the champion league : there's indeed discrimation but i never said everything can be explained by that. Anyway, players still need to come from somewhere and it's absolutely obvious that a country with the right infrastructure would produce far more elite players than countries that don't math those requirements. Again, it's the most basic logic. If you can't understand that, you're wasting my time again.

And so what if all countries aren’t created equal, in the context of my points. There are too many nations who’ve had success in the World Cup, to just dismiss my point. It’s more to do with the popularity of soccer in that nation than some invisible force. Croatia’s success alone, Brazil’s success in 1958 alone, makes my point. England’s lack of success (considering the popularity of soccer) makes my point.

No country with a very low HDI ever won anything :

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:2020_Inequality-Adjusted_Human_Development_Index_Map.png

You're still unable to understand the concept of minimal requirements, it's absolutely insane that you can't even grab such a basic concept.

And indeed, there also are cultural factors, i never said the opposite.

 

[BangBang]

Africans with resources are the best athletes in the world

We have known this for a long time

africans without resources are pretty damn good if you look at track and field, World and Olympics!

 

[BangBang]

If your reading skills are so low, i'm not going to answer you anymore... firstly, i don't care about skin color, i'm only discussing a logical point.

As for the world cup : it's obvious that the disparities between countries play an enormous role, so i don't have to say anything else. If you can't understand such a basic point, then you're wasting my time.

As for the champion league : there's indeed discrimation but i never said everything can be explained by that. Anyway, players still need to come from somewhere and it's absolutely obvious that a country with the right infrastructure would produce far more elite players than countries that don't math those requirements. Again, it's the most basic logic. If you can't understand that, you're wasting my time again.



No country with a very low HDI ever won anything :

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:2020_Inequality-Adjusted_Human_Development_Index_Map.png

You're still unable to understand the concept of minimal requirements, it's absolutely insane that you can't even grab such a basic concept.

And indeed, there also are cultural factors, i never said the opposite.

I don’t care about skin colour says Yellowcrab

 

[CedricBee]

If your reading skills are so low, i'm not going to answer you anymore... firstly, i don't care about skin color, i'm only discussing a logical point.

As for the world cup : it's obvious that the disparities between countries play an enormous role, so i don't have to say anything else. If you can't understand such a basic point, then you're wasting my time.

As for the champion league : there's indeed discrimation but i never said everything can be explained by that. Anyway, players still need to come from somewhere and it's absolutely obvious that a country with the right infrastructure would produce far more elite players than countries that don't math those requirements. Again, it's the most basic logic. If you can't understand that, you're wasting my time again.



No country with a very low HDI ever won anything :

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:2020_Inequality-Adjusted_Human_Development_Index_Map.png

You're still unable to understand the concept of minimal requirements, it's absolutely insane that you can't even grab such a basic concept.

And indeed, there also are cultural factors, i never said the opposite.

Why is the Dominican Republic so poor and yet there’s so many Dominican athletes in mlb? Do you think scouts are (politically or physically) unable to recruit African players in which Soccer is by far the most popular sport?

What nation is held back from dominating soccer due this invisible force? Showing a globe is one thing, but be more specific, are the best soccer players in China but some invisible force is keeping these guys out of the Champions League? Are they in Nigeria (the most populous nation in Africa) but some invisible force are keeping scouts from recruiting them? What does your map have to do with a Champions League scout being unable to recruit these supremely gifted Africans?

Explain Brazil’s 1958 & 1962 World Cup victory over all Western European nations with better economies. Was it their higher population? Was it Pele (who was hurt in the 1962 World Cup)?

And explain Argentina beating England while losing the Falklands War in 10 weeks? Be a little more specific on how this happens and due keep in mind, my first point already established that individually talented West Africans could be recruited into the Champions League but yet that league is ethically diverse with no ethnicity being dominant.

How does Croatia (128th in World Population) finish 3rd place in the last World Cups and second place in 2018? Be specific at to how all these instances occur.

Maybe you’re done because your argument is done.

 

[PRESIDENT TRUMP]

You’re just stereotyping, if Africans were supreme athletes then there would be a dominance skin color in Champions League soccer. There would be too much profit for scouts to not have already established a pipeline for West African soccer players to dominate Europe, similar to Blacks dominating 1990/2000’s era NBA and Jamaicans dominating track. There is no dominant skin color in Soccer though.

Soccer doesn't require as much explosive athleticism as football. It relies more on skill

 

[storeybuckle]

Yes. He’s nowhere to be found when black fighters lose. But he’s here to gloat and talk shit when they perform well. Just a maggot.

 

[Human Bass]

Soccer is more about tradition and culture than genetics/body type. That's why Uruguay, with a tiny pop of only 3 millions people is better than the USA with 110x times the population. Or India or China that have more than 400x the population and are awful at soccer.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Why is the Dominican Republic so poor and yet there’s so many Dominican athletes in mlb?

It's sad that you can't even situate Dominican Republic in this map, i mean really sad :

You still don't understand the concept of minimal requirements (not to mention Dominican Republic is really close to the US) your brain can't deal with any nuance, so obviously i'm wasting my time.

What nation is held back from dominating soccer due this invisible force? Showing a globe is one thing, but be more specific, are the best soccer players in China but some invisible force is keeping these guys out of the Champions League?

It's insane having to deal with such a lack of logic, i mean really... where are the good players from the US ? What's so different betwen the US and Europe ? That's what happens when there's no infrastructure to develop a sport, even in a rich country.

Your mind can't even understand that a country that has at least the minimal requirements (infrastructure + interest) for a sport will produce far more elite players on average. It's like talking to a wall...

There are also several factors such as political stability (you're fortunate enough to live in an area with no war) and even very simple things such as climate : there's no soccer player from Siberia because the climate is simply too cold...

And once again, not all people are treated the same : https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...ng-and-quotas-in-club-s-youth-teams-1.3691159

If you think sport is more than an economic business, then you're delusional.

How does Croatia (128th in World Population) finish 3rd place in the last World Cups and second place in 2018? Be specific at to how all these instances occur.

Firstly, Croatia never won anything, that's the cold fact. Secondly, Croatia has more than enough the minimal requirements. Crotia is also in Europe which is an enormous advantage : they can participate in any european soccer competition. Croatia is also a part of the European Union with all the benefits. To summary, Croatia has both cultural and economic advantages over many countries in the world.

Also, Croatia is only good in soccer and nothing else (all their resources are directed towards soccer) while bigger countries are usually good in several sports.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Soccer doesn't require as much explosive athleticism as football. It relies more on skill

I use to think chinese weren’t powerful and explosive. then i watched some olympics and was pretty surprised. Theres also an asian swimmer who is really good and many others.
We in the west seem to put nfl and nba players on a pedastal as far as athleticism, and rightly so, but there are monsters all over the world. Many things factor into a country or team to win medals and championships.

and if there was some advantage in race and genetics, its probably fairly minor and can be offset by training and fortitude. We’ve seen many times in mma fights where less athletically gifted guys beat athletic freaks, and not just on skill or technique but fortitude and spirit as well.

its not athletic talent, its how you use it.

 

[Trabaho]

Africans with resources are the best athletes in the world

We have known this for a long time

We're gonna starve them. Balkan > West Africa.

 

[CedricBee]

It's sad that you can't even situate Dominican Republic in this map, i mean really sad :

You still don't understand the concept of minimal requirements (not to mention Dominican Republic is really close to the US) your brain can't deal with any nuance, so obviously i'm wasting my time.



It's insane having to deal with such a lack of logic, i mean really... where are the good players from the US ? What's so different betwen the US and Europe ? That's what happens when there's no infrastructure to develop a sport, even in a rich country.

Your mind can't even understand that a country that has at least the minimal requirements (infrastructure + interest) for a sport will produce far more elite players on average. It's like talking to a wall...

There are also several factors such as political stability (you're fortunate enough to live in an area with no war) and even very simple things such as climate : there's no soccer player from Siberia because the climate is simply too cold...

And once again, not all people are treated the same : https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...ng-and-quotas-in-club-s-youth-teams-1.3691159

If you think sport is more than an economic business, then you're delusional.



Firstly, Croatia never won anything, that's the cold fact. Secondly, Croatia has more than enough the minimal requirements. Crotia is also in Europe which is an enormous advantage : they can participate in any european soccer competition. Croatia is also a part of the European Union with all the benefits. To summary, Croatia has both cultural and economic advantages over many countries in the world.

Also, Croatia is only good in soccer and nothing else (all their resources are directed towards soccer) while bigger countries are usually good in several sports.

The Dominican Republic is rated with Mexico & Peru on your map. Please, go easy on the insults Mr. Dickman. Unless Peru & Mexico are known for their robust economies. Glad you actually addressed the points but it’s borderline ignorant and snobbish to assume I can’t read because I grouped a nation as poor because YOUR MAP indicated their economy was on par with Mexico & Peru. I’d also like to know how old that map is?

Your article (on PSG racism) was 5 years old, but hey it dealt with racism and we all know at any moment the racism bogeyman will remind people that Wars and natural disasters can be overcome in time, but never racism. Luckily many will always be looking for the next racism scapegoat.

And tell me of these political wars keeping West African Blacks and South African Blacks out of the Champions League. Keep in mind that the Champions League is bigger than MLB, and its scouting would sensibly be bigger. The Champions League finals regularly draws more viewers than the SB. In regards to the type of scouting Champions League Soccer should logically have, Forbes 50 most valuable franchises contained more Champions League franchises (7) than MLB (5) and NBA (6). The implication is that geographic barriers would be logically broken if Africans were such superior athletes and my article is from 2023 btw. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2023/09/08/the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams-2023/



Way to understate the 128th largest population finishing second and third in the most recent World Cups. Let a small market Baseball come “this close” or an African Boxer when 10-8, 10-9, and 9-9 rounds in a 10 round fight, and you’d sing a different tune.,

Way to assume the proximity (Dominican Republic) is more responsible for the 88th population or a country with 3% compared to (10 mil vs 333 mil) our population to make up 11% of MLB. For comparison foreign players not in the Caribbean, Canada, or Mexico make up 10% of the MLB. Remember they aren’t so close geographically and Champions League scouting should logically be bigger than MLB scouting. Much more popular sport, more ultra successful Franchises and a much bigger audience. And at the top level, unparalleled television interest (Champions League final > SB > any WS game 7) https://apnews.com/article/mlb-inte...mexico-japan-9485f38ab1051efd276ac07712d1cbe1

 

[Robbocop]

Are A level athletes better or worse than S level athletes and SS level athletes?

 

[SideKickPro24]

Most of them still wouldn't have the off the charts chin and power though. Ngannou is like an A-level Roy Nelson.

Don't get me wrong, there would undoubtedly be some monsters from that athletic pool, but it might not necessarily be the best players, it could be a guy riding the bench that is still an athletic freak compared to most but just has a gift for fighting.

I mean you never know. Brock had a chin, he just didn’t like getting hit. There is a difference. For example Carwin was laying guys out in like a minute up until the brick fight, but Brock took a beating, and came back. He didn’t take punches well, but never was ko’d. Maybe that’s part of his athleticism….

Also, I can only imagine how hard some of these baseball players can hit. Literally throws that they make with a flick of the wrist, are further than most ppl could throw with their whole body’s in it. Making a play from right field to home plate is an amazing thing, and the mechanics are similar to an overhand right.

 

[Athlas]

Joshua is stiff and not that athletic. He's 6'6 and can't even dunk a basketball. Not that strong either. Over the hill Klitschko matched him in strength

Neither could Jones and y'all call him the GOAT.

 

[stav]

If he was born and raised in the US he would be in the NFL and would not be fighting. This is what the sport would look like if these guys spent their whole life training MMA. Jones has two brothers in the NFL, but doesn’t have hands so couldn’t play football (still has elite genetics though). Ngannou and Gane were both born outside of the US.

There’s literally hundreds of A level athletes who would have dominated this sport if trained from a young age. Not some 30 year old cross over.

This American central approach never stops to crack me up.

NFL has nowhere near the global popularity or overall money of football (soccer). African nations including Cameroon, invest in and develop phenomenal football talent.
So why is Ngannou not a god-tier footballer in some European league if he is such a phenomenal talent? He certainly would have been exposed to soccer as a kid and had opportunities to become a mega-star if A-level genetics was all it took.
Simply put, it's not a simple equation of one great athlete's skills or biomechanics transferring into another sport. This is Sherbro myth.

 

[stav]

Africans with resources are the best athletes in the world

We have known this for a long time

Which athletes? B/c NFL is not the benchmark for determining who the best Athletes are. It's a narrow skill that is American-centric, that does not define the standard of an "Athlete"

African nations invest heavily in football (soccer) which is the number 1 sport in the world by a large margin in popularity and money.
And African players certainly do incredibly well. But no better than South Americans or White Europeans.
In fact, there is no clear advantage for any ethnicity in the most lucrative and popular sport in the world. The best athletes in that sport seem to come from everywhere.
It's not like basketball where 90% of the best athletes are Black where we can say that they absolutely have a genetic advantage.
So when you say the best athletes what is the standard? B/c I don't see too many amazing Black swimmers dominating the world like they do in other sports.

 

[gracie_barra_samurai]

American egg ball isn't really a complete athletic sport though. Most of the guys are just fucking units in protective gear. Being an explosive unit doesn't = a good fighter. It's a different kind of energy. Look at the ex football guys who've tried MMA and boxing.

Basketball, soccer and rugby are way more athletic sports. Black guys run NBA as it's American centric, but most of those beanpoles probably couldn't fight.

 

[fica]

If he was born and raised in the US he would be in the NFL and would not be fighting. This is what the sport would look like if these guys spent their whole life training MMA. Jones has two brothers in the NFL, but doesn’t have hands so couldn’t play football (still has elite genetics though). Ngannou and Gane were both born outside of the US.

There’s literally hundreds of A level athletes who would have dominated this sport if trained from a young age. Not some 30 year old cross over.

Elite genetics please every American sports relly on PEDs then any other sports they start from young age

 

[theleerygoose]

This American central approach never stops to crack me up.

NFL has nowhere near the global popularity or overall money of football (soccer). African nations including Cameroon, invest in and develop phenomenal football talent.
So why is Ngannou not a god-tier footballer in some European league if he is such a phenomenal talent? He certainly would have been exposed to soccer as a kid and had opportunities to become a mega-star if A-level genetics was all it took.
Simply put, it's not a simple equation of one great athlete's skills or biomechanics transferring into another sport. This is Sherbro myth.

This is a silly take. Does Ngannou look more like a soccer player or an american football player? One of these sports obviously competes with HW fighting more than the other. I wonder why Jones brothers are both in the NFL and not in soccer, must be a coincidence.