International France Imposes New Digital Tax Targetting Big U.S Tech Firms With New "GAFA" Law

Why do you feel the needs to lie??

Ireland says these companies ARE paying theirs E.U income tax obligations on their E.U profits in accordance to E.U tax codes every single year, and their effective tax rate is actually a bit higher than Ireland's average corporate tax rate of 12.5%.

These financial data are public information that are released every single year. Do you have any proof for your outlandish claim, as if Ireland just cooked their books and the annual E.U income taxes that these U.S companies paid them annually didn't actually happen?

Either Ireland is lying, or you are lying:


Google paid Ireland €171m in taxes last year on profits of €1.16 billion, giving the company an effective tax rate here of 14.69%.

This compares with a tax bill of €163.8m on profits of €1.18 billion for 2016 (effective tax rate of 13.8%).

According to the US firm's latest set of financial accounts for its Irish operation, turnover increased by €5.9 billion in 2017 to €32.2 billion, with the rise primarily driven by higher advertising revenue.


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1123/1012900-google-ireland-paid-171m-in-tax-last-year/


Apple has filed new accounts detailing profits and tax issues for Apple Operations International, its holding company for most of Apple’s non-US subsidiaries.

In Ireland, the company incurred a tax charge of €1.8bn for 2018, with an “adjustment in respect of prior years” of €356m, bringing the total current income tax to €2.2bn.

The effective tax rate for AOI and its operating companies (AOE and ADI) in Ireland was 14%.


https://amp.independent.ie/business...ge-of-1-8bn-in-ireland-for-2018-38366584.html
So these companies think they can avoid tax in all other EU nations if they pay taxes in Ireland? Yeah, thats not how it works. If they operate in other nations and make money in those nations they are liable for taxes in those nations.
 
Threat of Legal Challenges Hangs Over French Digital Tax
By Isabel Gottlieb and Hamza Ali | July 11, 2019

France’s final approval of a 3% digital tax may open the door to a host of legal challenges by companies, on top of the trade investigation by the U.S.

The tax bill, approved by the French parliament July 11, would be one of the first digital taxes collected in Europe this year, making it a prime target for a showdown in European courts.

Challenges on the grounds that the tax violates French or EU law, or bilateral tax treaties, could result in the tax being stalled or overturned, although a final outcome could be years away.

Expect a lot of legal challenges, said Giuseppe de Martino, president of the French tech industry group ASIC. “It’s a taxation on revenues (and not on profits) encouraging companies to reduce their level of investments and innovation,” he said.

Tech companies fear they’ll face a complicated patchwork of unilateral digital tax measures as more than a half dozen countries consider similar proposals. France’s tax, due later this year, would impose the tax on companies that make more than 750 million euros worldwide ($845 million) and more than 25 million euros in France from certain digital activities.

The tax would hit about 30 companies—including Facebook Inc. and Alphabet’s Google Inc. Other countries such as the Czech Republic and Austria are considering their own versions of digital revenue taxes—those two countries at 7% and 5%, respectively.

Tech giants face payments in the tens of millions under the measure. France forecasts that the tax could bring in as much as 500 million euros a year. If the tax is successfully challenged, those payments could be refunded. And if the French tax is quickly found to violate EU law, countries contemplating similar measures may be deterred from pressing forward.

The White House announced plans July 10 to use a “301 investigation” to look at whether the tax would hurt U.S. technology firms, and suggest remedies.

Companies hoping to slow down or stop the tax, or see a refund of the payments they’ve made, have a few options.

Constitutionality

As soon as they’re assessed for the tax, companies can bring a case against the French tax authorities, arguing they shouldn’t have to pay it because it’s discriminatory. They’d likely point to the fact that it hits only very large companies, among other factors, practitioners said.

“Several provisions allow us to consider that the tax does not comply with the French Constitution,” said de Martino. Those factors include arguments that the tax does not treat companies equally before the law, he said.

The tax is being referred to France’s Constitutional Counsel for consideration of its validity under French law.

EU Freedoms

European Union member states must observe four “fundamental freedoms”: the free movement of goods, services, capital and labor under European treaties. Companies can argue that the DST violates the freedom to provide services, said Robert van der Jagt, chair of KPMG’s European Tax Center, based in Amsterdam.

The company would bring a case against the French tax authority in French court, taking the position that the French DST is contrary to the freedom to provide services as laid out in the EU treaty, he said. If the court thinks the company has a good argument, it can refer the case to the European Court of Justice as a question of EU law interpretation.

Ultimately, if the courts find against France, it would be forced to repeal the measure—which would be a very good outcome for the companies affected by the tax. For that reason, companies may be more likely to pursue this challenge than a state aid case, van der Jagt said.

But that outcome could be a long way off. A case moving through the EU court can take up to 10 years to resolve, he said.

State Aid

EU member states aren’t allowed to unfairly help one company or set of companies, but not others—like providing subsidies to only domestic companies. Companies can argue that the tax violates the principles of state aid because it only targets companies over a certain size threshold, and that it seems designed to specifically hit the “GAFA” companies—Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple—and other tech giants.

“By definition a tax is a general measure based on abstract principles that applies across the board to everybody,” said Jose Luis Buendia, a partner at the law firm Garrigues in Brussels who works on EU law. “But if you start by naming the tax after the guy who’s going to pay, I think you have a huge problem from the beginning – a serious conceptual and fundamental problem.”

A company can bring a state aid complaint to the European Commission once the tax is enacted into law, Buendia said. Then the Commission could either reject the complaint, or open an investigation to decide whether the tax is in violation of state aid principles. The Commission’s decision can be appealed at either level, by either France or the companies. Appeals then move through the EU court system.

“It’s very difficult to argue that this is not vulnerable to challenge,” said Pablo Ibanez Colomo, a professor of law at the London School of Economics.

But two recent state aid cases involving progressive taxes in Poland and Hungary have complicated the likely outcome for the French tax, he said. In those cases, the European Commission is arguing that progressive taxes do constitute state aid. The EU general court recently rejected the Commission’s arguments in both cases. If the Commission appeals, it will be hard for it to also say that the French tax—which uses a threshold to only net the largest companies—is not also size-based state aid discrimination.

Within France, critics of the tax are pushing the government to use a procedure called notification: Sending the legislation to the Commission to review ahead of time, de Martino of ASIC said.

The advantage to a state aid challenge is that the Commission—if it chooses—could direct France to suspend the tax during the investigation, Ibanez Colomo said.

But the outcome might not really help the companies hit by the tax, van der Jagt said. The resolution of a state aid case normally involves the company that received the aid returning the money to the country that provided it. There’s no guarantee that a state aid decision against the DST would result in compensation for the companies that paid the tax—for example, the Commission could order France to tax all companies, not just large ones.

Tax Treaties

Companies could bring a court challenge against the French tax authority arguing that they’re being taxed in violation of France’s bilateral treaty with the company’s home country—the U.S. or Ireland, for example.

Countries sign bilateral tax treaties to help prevent companies from being taxed twice on the same income.

Treaties also contain agreements between countries on a set of parameters defining the circumstances in which companies can be taxed. For example, standard tax treaties contain permanent establishment rules that only let a country tax a company that meets a certain physical presence threshold in that jurisdiction.

The French government has claimed that, as turnover tax, the DST isn’t covered by any of its existing tax treaties. This claim could be challenged, however, said Paris-based lawyer Sandra Hazan, co-head of Europe and global tax groups at law firm Dentons.

Companies bringing the challenge would have to successfully argue that a tax on revenue should be covered by an income tax treaty. Once that hurdle is cleared, van der Jagt said, the next question for the court to decide will be whether France, as a source country, has the right to tax the company.

“I think the outcome is going to be no, because there’s no permanent establishment in France,” he said. “That results in zero tax”—an outcome as favorable as a court decision in a freedom of services case.

https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily...egal-challenges-hangs-over-french-digital-tax
 
So after op said that I'm not "capable of full reading-comprehension", asked if I'm "legitimately retarded" and " ignorant" he finally posted an article full of could and would, who shows that everything will be settled in courts and that there is not a specific answer to the problem but different interpretations.

That's awesome, you only showed that you acted like a cocky asshole for no reasons at all, op.
 
So after op said that I'm not "capable of full reading-comprehension", asked if I'm "legitimately retarded" and " ignorant" he finally posted an article full of could and would, who shows that everything will be settled in courts and that there is not a specific answer to the problem but different interpretations.

That's awesome, you only showed that you acted like a cocky asshole for no reasons at all, op.

What the hell are you still babbling about?? Are you still digging hard at your "they are not paying taxes" hole??
 
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What the hell are you still babbling about?? Are you still digging hard at your "they are not paying taxes" hole??

You should read your article again and show that you are "capable of full reading-comprehension".

And read again that Apple statement from Feb 2019 : "“The French tax authority recently concluded a multiyear audit of our French accounts and the adjustment will be reflected in our publicly filed accounts.
We know the important role tax payments play in society and we pay all that we owe according to tax laws and local customs wherever we operate.”

You're welcome.
 
What the hell are you still babbling about?? Are you still digging hard at your Google is not paying taxes, some unidentified European bakery is paying more taxes than Google, and you are Google employees hole??
it isnt paying a fair share of taxes in other nations. All you have shown is that they pay taxes on profits made in Ireland... it avoids paying taxes on its profits in other EU nations. Thats the issue.
 
France’s Tech Tax Is Wrong. So Is Trump’s Response.
A bit of misguided protectionism could spiral into a dangerous confrontation.
By Editorial Board | July 18, 2019

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Fed up with big technology multinationals, most of which just happen to be American, France wants to tax them more heavily.

Last week, French lawmakers passed a measure that would impose a tax of up to 5 percent on digital companies with annual global revenue of more than $845 million and local revenue of more than $28 million. “When France shows its will, that’s when things change,” Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire has said, with Gallic modesty. Unfortunately, things aren’t changing for the better.

This measure is thoroughly ill-conceived. Because it applies to revenue rather than profits after expenses, it could end up taxing companies that don’t make money. Because France is enacting it in isolation, it’s likely to lead to double taxation and onerous compliance costs. With vague and ambiguous rules, it’s causing needless risk and uncertainty. And for all the trouble, it’ll earn a pittance: about $560 million a year. That’s about a 1 percent increase in corporate tax revenue.

Worse, the measure is plainly discriminatory. In addition to illogically singling out a specific industry, it will apply to only a handful of global companies — most of them, as it happens, American. It includes indefensible carve-outs to protect local competitors. The government concedes that only a single French company will be subject to the tax. This is a tariff by another name.

America, then, has every right to object. It doesn’t help that big U.S. tech companies are currently besieged by European Union regulators; a new antitrust fine imposed on Qualcomm Inc. is just the latest initiative. Unfortunately, President Trump is inclined to make a bad situation worse. Last week, his administration said it was opening a “Section 301” investigation into the tax. Under U.S. law, if such a probe concludes that another country has engaged in unfair trade practices, the president has broad discretion to impose tariffs in response. Trump, it’s safe to assume, will not resist that temptation.

He should. Section 301 cases have been exceedingly rare in recent years, and with good reason: They’ve been almost entirely ineffective at achieving America’s goals. In all likelihood, going down this road will only worsen tensions with Europe, invite retaliation and legal challenges, impose costs on American consumers and businesses, slow economic growth, jeopardize jobs, and slam another nail in the coffin of the rules-based trade system that Trump seems determined to bury.

A far better way to address France’s misguided protectionism is through the World Trade Organization’s dispute-settlement system, where the U.S. has been largely successful over the years. That might take time — a year or more — but it would achieve the administration’s objectives, limit collateral damage, and demonstrate that the U.S. still upholds the rules and values it built into the system over decades.

Instead, there’s glib talk in Washington of tariffs on French wine and cheese. Members of Congress — in both parties — are not only applauding Trump’s unilateralism, they’re threatening to invoke an arcane statute that would allow them to double taxes on French citizens and companies in the U.S. Remember that France is still a notional ally.

Before things get worse, both countries should take a step back. It’s true that taxing tech companies has proved challenging in recent years. But the way forward is through international cooperation, not yet another misbegotten trade war. France and the U.S. are both participating in talks at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that are intended to establish a truly global system of digital taxation. It’s a slow and cumbersome process, but it’s also fair-minded, rational and economically sound.

The same can’t be said for France’s new tax, or Trump’s unenlightened response. If it continues to escalate, this is a conflict that no one will win.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...x-is-wrong-so-is-trump-s-section-301-response
 
You should read your article again and show that you are "capable of full reading-comprehension".

And read again that Apple statement from Feb 2019 : "“The French tax authority recently concluded a multiyear audit of our French accounts and the adjustment will be reflected in our publicly filed accounts.
We know the important role tax payments play in society and we pay all that we owe according to tax laws and local customs wherever we operate.”

You're welcome.

Do you even know why Apple agreed to settle with the French, but the French court itself declared that Google doesn't owe France a cent when France came after Google with a $1.27 Billion tax bill at the same time?

When Apple started building their Apple Stores all over France, that gave them permanent and significant presence where the sales physically taken place, which made them liable of paying those taxes to France for those sales instead of Ireland.

Google has no such significant presence to do their business in France, even though they are booking ads sales to French customers literally every minute everyday online, and so the French justice system says they owe the French government nothing, as long as they continue paying taxes on those European income to Ireland.

So we go right back to where we came from: Yes, Google is paying their income taxes, and I'm still not a Google employee.
 
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Do you even know why Apple agreed to settle with the French, but the French court itself declared that Google doesn't owe France a cent when France came after Google with a $1.27 Billion tax bill at the same time?

When Apple started building their Apple Stores all over France, that gave them the significant presence where the sales physically taken place, which made them liable of paying local taxes.

Google has no such significant presence in France, and so the French justice system says they owe the French government nothing, as long as they continue pay their E.U income tax obligations back in Ireland.

So we go right back to where we came from: Yes, Google is paying their taxes.

But that's what I'm saying from the beginning of the thread "
Global tech companies have been accused of finding ways to avoid tax. It is said they do this by paying most of their taxes in the EU countries where they have headquarters, rather than where they make their sales.

Often, they have offices in countries like Ireland or Luxembourg, where there are very low tax rates.

It can mean the firms end up paying very little tax in countries such as France or the UK, despite having lots of customers there."

So basically, as I said from the beginning my French bakery will pay 20% taxes and Google 10%.

That's why they're changing the laws.

You jumped on me from the beginning , sorry English is my third language so on specific issues like economy, it can be difficult to be super precise, but that's the idea.
It doesn't give you the right to act like an asshole and call me a retard.

Sinon on peut parler en français et je peux te fermer ta grande gueule inutilement agressive qui poste des articles prouvant que les choses sont beaucoup moins évidentes que ce que tu affirmes avec une flagornerie exprimant certainement un complexe lié à une taille de pénis peu développé.
 
But that's what I'm saying from the beginning of the thread "
Global tech companies have been accused of finding ways to avoid tax. It is said they do this by paying most of their taxes in the EU countries where they have headquarters, rather than where they make their sales.

Often, they have offices in countries like Ireland or Luxembourg, where there are very low tax rates.

It can mean the firms end up paying very little tax in countries such as France or the UK, despite having lots of customers there."

So basically, as I said from the beginning my French bakery will pay 20% taxes and Google 10%.

That's why they're changing the laws.

You jumped on me from the beginning , sorry English is my third language so on specific issues like economy, it can be difficult to be super precise, but that's the idea.
It doesn't give you the right to act like an asshole and call me a retard.

Sinon on peut parler en français et je peux te fermer ta grande gueule inutilement agressive qui poste des articles prouvant que les choses sont beaucoup moins évidentes que ce que tu affirmes avec une flagornerie exprimant certainement un complexe lié à une taille de pénis peu développé.

Oh, we all know these corporations will try their best to find the best legal loopholes, their main objective is to make as much money as possible, after all.

I'm completely okay with calling a spade a spade: They ARE paying their taxes, just at the lowest rate they can find, and pay as little as they possibly could without getting into legal trouble.

The problem here is that the tax system is outdated, compounded with the fact that the E.U can't legally compel their members to charge the same tax rates. But everyone agrees that this needs to be updated collectively and globally through the OECD, not by each country unilaterally imposing their own taxes on the same pot of income, and could end up being taxed multiple times.

The argument here is not whether these corporations should pay taxes, because everyone already agrees that they absolutely do. It's WHO they needs to pay that governments are arguing over.

Apple got dinged by local taxes because of the physical stores they built to sell their physical products (and they likely will continue to pay in the future), Amazon is in the same boat when they have to set up their many warehouses for local distribution. There's nothing they can say about that but to cough up the money.

But when it comes to purely digital companies like Google and Facebook, where no physical storefronts are required for their business transaction, I believe France is wrong in unilaterally imposing a French tax on them too, especially after what the French court just told them:


Google ducks $1.27bn bill for back taxes in France
Court ruling comes after six-year fight with French tax authority over taxes due for years 2005 to 2010, and could have big implications for other US tech firms

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A French court handed Google’s parent company, Alphabet, a reprieve from a 1.11bn-euro ($1.27bn) tax bill on Wednesday in a major victory for the tech giant.

The decision comes after six years of fighting with the French tax authority over back taxes it claims are due from the tech firm for the years 2005 to 2010.

The French tax administration argued that Google had to pay taxes in France because the California firm and its subsidiary in Ireland have been selling a service for inserting online ads to clients in France for years through its Google search engine.

But the Paris administrative court noted that the subsidiary, Google Ireland Limited, doesn’t have a “permanent establishment” in France via the company Google France, also a subsidiary of the US group Google Inc.

The court added that Google France doesn’t have the human resources or the technical means to allow it to carry out the contentious advertising services on its own.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/12/google-taxes-france-ruling


You jumped on me from the beginning , sorry English is my third language so on specific issues like economy, it can be difficult to be super precise, but that's the idea.
It doesn't give you the right to act like an asshole and call me a retard.

Don't sweat it, buddy. But the next time you quote any of the actual facts that I stated and call it "so much bs", prepare to include actual evidence to back up your claims otherwise. :)
 
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So we agree on basically everything.

The only thing is it sounds to me quite utopic to think we will reach a global agreement 1)in the EU and 2)in the OECD.
Trump has a very agressive way to handle the economy with the economical partners and I feel we're more in a trades war era than in a global agreement one.
(We can say the same about the ecological issues or the Iran deal).
So french is acting in an unilateral way, and the UK are planning to do the same in 2020, and the USA are doing it too on other issues.
In a perfect world it would be great to have a global answer obviously, cause it's a global market, basically.
 
So we agree on basically everything.

The only thing is it sounds to me quite utopic to think we will reach a global agreement 1)in the EU and 2)in the OECD.
Trump has a very agressive way to handle the economy with the economical partners and I feel we're more in a trades war era than in a global agreement one.
(We can say the same about the ecological issues or the Iran deal).
So french is acting in an unilateral way, and the UK are planning to do the same in 2020, and the USA are doing it too on other issues.
In a perfect world it would be great to have a global answer obviously, cause it's a global market, basically.

Well, to be honest my position is still exactly the same, but for some reason you changed from thinking it's "so much bs" to "agree on basically everything", so we have nothing to argue about anymore <Lmaoo>

Here's my take on the solution:

- The E.U has already given up on a working solution for their tax issues, and leaving it to the OECD. That's why they are doing nothing to stop all these E.U members who are planning to unilaterally introducing their own tech taxes, when previously "Unity" and "Consensus" was considered a big thing in the E.U.

- Our beloved world leaders at the G7 summit gonna do a hell lot of grandstanding and taking potshots at each other, while absolutely nothing could be done about the tax overhaul there, and things could possibly get worse if Tusk and Trump gets into a pissing contest over France.

- I absolutely believe the OECD will get the tax system overhaul done within the projected timeline, simply because there are no political leaders looking to score points there, and everyone at the table actually want to get it done on a global scale, including those E.U members who stalled the E.U's previous attempt for "tax harmonization" by sticking to their low tax rates.
 
Well, to be honest my position is still exactly the same, but for some reason you changed from thinking it's "so much bs" to "agree on basically everything" <Lmaoo>

Here's my take:

- The E.U has already given up on a working solution for their tax issues, and leaving it to the OECD. That's why they are doing nothing to stop all these E.U members who are planning to introduce their own tech taxes, when previously "Unity" and "Consensus" was considered a big thing in the E.U.

- Our beloved world leaders at the G7 summit gonna do a hell lot of grandstanding and taking potshots at each other, while absolutely nothing could be done about the tax overhaul there, and things could possibly get worse if Tusk and Trump gets into a pissing contest over France.

- I absolutely believe the OECD will get the tax system overhaul done within the projected timeline, simply because there are no political leaders looking to score points there, and everyone at the table actually want to get it done, include those E.U members currently sticking to their low tax rates.

Because you jumped on me on stupid details.
When I was saying that google are not paying taxes in the market they're operating or they pay less taxes than a local bakery, your answers were "they pay them in Ireland" and "they pay more than a bakery".
Well yeah I was speaking about the market they operating their sales in, so not Ireland, and the percentage of taxes they're paying in these markets.
And I became a retard, a guy who doesn't know how to read and an ignorant.
Quite aggressive for me, and no need of funny smileys.
 
The Irish Times view on corporate tax reform: Ireland must support OECD process
Our strategy needs to recognise that change is now coming – and it is in our interest to have a clear and fair agreement
Jul 30, 2019

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Alongside Brexit, international tax reform looks set to be the big economic theme of the Autumn. The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development is seeking agreement on the next phase of its major programme of international corporate tax reform. While final agreement on the detail is not expected until next year, the coming months will be vital in seeking political consensus and seeing if countries will sign up to the basic concepts. As a key location for multinational investment, this is of vital national interest to Ireland.

The first phase of this OECD process has been to Ireland’s advantage, as it has encouraged major multinationals to relocate key intellectual property assets to Ireland and, it appears, to undertake other accompanying investments. This has helped to boost corporate tax revenue and this positive trend could continue for some time yet. However the second phase of the process, now under discussion, carries some threats for Ireland, both in terms of corporate tax revenues and our ability to attract foreign direct investment in future.

Ireland, with the support of some other countries, notably the UK, has been to the forefront in resisting a number of separate initiatives from the EU in the area of corporate tax, most recently the plan to introduce a digital sales tax. However part of the Irish reasoning in doing this is that we favour, instead, a wider international consensus reached via the OECD.

So, politically, we can try to influence the OECD talks, but – unlike at EU level – we effectively have no veto and in any case we have signalled our commitment to the process. Also, the problems which the OECD is seeking to address are the tax avoidance schemes which have allowed major multinationals to cut their tax bills to extraordinarily low levels. International opinion has swung behind this effort and, with the US supporting change, an agreement looks likely – and is required.

Ireland has every right to fight its corner in the talks, of course. While tax avoidance is in the spotlight, the talks also involve countries fighting for advantage in terms of where tax revenue is paid. This is likely, in some cases, to be to Ireland’s disadvantage. Yet, provided the changes are sensible, the gains we have already made mean we are not in a position to object to the programme of change. That the system is, in parts, broken and needs reform is beyond question.

There will be significant pressure on Ireland as these talks gather pace. As the European home of many of the major US multinationals, Ireland has been at the centre of the debate on tax payments by these firms. Some of the criticism which has come our way is justified, some of it isn’t. But our strategy needs to recognise that change is now coming – and it is in our interest to have a clear and fair agreement.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...m-ireland-must-support-oecd-process-1.3971012
 
Why do you feel the needs to lie??

Ireland says these companies ARE paying theirs E.U income tax obligations on their E.U profits in accordance to E.U tax codes every single year, and their effective tax rate is actually a bit higher than Ireland's average corporate tax rate of 12.5%.

These financial data are public information that are released every single year. Do you have any proof for your outlandish claim, as if Ireland just cooked their books and the annual E.U income taxes that these U.S companies paid them annually didn't actually happen?

Either Ireland is lying, or you are lying:


Google paid Ireland €171m in taxes last year on profits of €1.16 billion, giving the company an effective tax rate here of 14.69%.

This compares with a tax bill of €163.8m on profits of €1.18 billion for 2016 (effective tax rate of 13.8%).

According to the US firm's latest set of financial accounts for its Irish operation, turnover increased by €5.9 billion in 2017 to €32.2 billion, with the rise primarily driven by higher advertising revenue.


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/1123/1012900-google-ireland-paid-171m-in-tax-last-year/
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France hits back at Trump’s ‘stupid’ wine tariff threat
‘We will try to negotiate’ with the US, says agriculture minister.
By Hans von der Burchard| 7/30/19

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French Agriculture Minister Didier Guillaume

U.S. President Donald Trump's threat to impose tariffs on French wine in retaliation for France's digital services tax is "absurd" and "absolutely stupid," the country's agriculture minister said Tuesday.

Didier Guillaume reacted to a tweet by Trump, who wrote Friday that he would "shortly" announce "a substantial reciprocal action" against the digital services tax, also known as the GAFA (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon) tax in French, which was adopted by the French senate earlier this month and signed into law by President Emmanuel Macron last week.

"It's absurd for a political and economic debate to say: You tax the 'GAFA,' we will tax your wine. It's completely stupid," Guillaume told French news channel BFMTV.

He added that the French digital services tax — which levies a 3 percent tax on domestic revenues of digital giants with at least €25 million of revenue in France and €750 million globally — is "completely different" from trade in wine, which is a foreign exchange of goods.

"In any case, we will try to negotiate [with the U.S.]," Guillaume said.

French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire told reporters on Saturday that the EU and U.S. are facing the same "challenge" on how to tax digital revenues, and urged the U.S. administration "to work closely with us" to reach a consensus on a universal digital services tax at the G7 leaders' summit in Biarritz, France, in late August.

This "would pave the way" for an international consensus at the OECD by the end of 2020, which would lead to France withdrawing its national tax, Le Maire added.

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-hits-back-at-trumps-wine-tariff-threat-over-digital-tax/

Uh-oh here is that word that triggered Trump so badly when said by the female Danish PM and its accompanied by even more provocative words suggesting POTUS is stupid...

"...U.S. President Donald Trump's threat to impose tariffs on French wine in retaliation for France's digital services tax is "absurd" and "absolutely stupid," the country's agriculture minister said Tuesday..."


Will the POTUS react the same to a man using those words?

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US and France reach a compromise on France’s tax on tech giants

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During a news briefing at the Group of Seven summit, French President Emmanuel Macron announced that U.S. President Donald Trump and Macron have agreed on a compromise regarding the controversial tax on tech giants.

France is still going to tax big tech companies. But the French government promises that it’ll scrap the French tax as soon as the OECD finds a way to properly tax tech companies in countries where they operate.

The OECD has for a few years been working on a way to properly tax tech companies with a standardized set of rules. According to recent announcements, this new framework could be released in 2020.

In addition to ending the French tax, as Le Monde outlined, France promises that it’ll pay back companies that overpaid before the OECD framework. For instance, if Facebook pays a lot of taxes in 2019 due to the French tax on tech giants and if they would have paid less under the OECD framework, France will pay back the difference.

“There’s been a lot of anxiety because of misunderstandings on this French digital tax. We talked about it, and I think we have found a very good deal thanks to the work of ministers,” Macron said.

“On a bilateral basis, we have reached an agreement to fix our disagreements between us. We are going to work together to find a solution. When there’s an international taxation model, we will remove the tax — and everything that has been paid will be deducted from this international tax. We have found an agreement that is good for all parties involved. It can solve a lot of really negative issues and improve the international system.”

In a July 26 tweet, Trump criticized France’s plans. “France just put a digital tax on our great American technology companies. If anybody taxes them, it should be their home Country, the USA,” he wrote. “We will announce a substantial reciprocal action on Macron’s foolishness shortly. I’ve always said American wine is better than French wine!”

Right before leaving for the Group of Seven summit, Trump reiterated criticism of the French tax and said the U.S. would be placing tariffs on French wines.

At the Group of Seven summit, Trump didn’t want to confirm that the U.S. and France had reached an agreement. As CNN reported, when a reporter asked a question about France’s tax on tech companies, Trump said: “I can confirm that the first lady loved your French wine. She loved your French wine. So thank you very much. That’s fine.”

A couple of months ago, the French parliament voted in favor of a new tax on tech giants. In order to avoid tax optimization schemes, big tech companies that generate significant revenue in France are taxed on their revenue generated in France.

France’s Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire first lobbied other European countries to create that new tax at the European level. It made a ton of sense, as the main issue is that big tech companies create complicated European corporate structures in order to lower their effective tax rate.

But Le Maire couldn’t get a unanimous vote and created a tax for France in particular. If you’re running a company that generates more than €750 million in global revenue and €25 million in France, you have to pay 3% of your French revenue in taxes.

This tax is specifically designed for tech companies in two categories — marketplace (Amazon’s marketplace, Uber, Airbnb…) and advertising (Facebook, Google, Criteo…). While it isn’t designed to target American companies, the vast majority of big tech companies that operate in France are American.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/26/u...compromise-on-frances-tax-on-tech-giants/amp/
 
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