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Im not a reader of forbes magazine but i came across something about them that really ticked me off and makes me second guess their credibility as the CNN of econ news. I keep seeing #girlboss hashes in facebook posts and tweets and it seems like im the only one who hadnt read this book. I know the company Nasty Gal but i didnt know anything about the founder. Saw this podcast and was interesting.



I almost felt compelled to buy her book so i started doing some googling and i noticed that her company is now bankrupt and sold for just 20 million to a very low end online retailer boohoo who was their only bidder.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nasty-gal-20170224-story.html

For those who dont know who girlboss is it is the title of the book about Nasty Gal founder Sophie Amoruso. She started selling used clothes on ebay when vintage was still a niche and made 10 million dollars. She was banned from ebay shortly after and had to start her own site that sold new clothing with an edge. If you watch youtube at all it seems like every girl was hauling stuff from Nasty Gal at one point.



In 2015 Forbes Magazine estimated her networth at 280 million and projected increasing revenue for Nasty Gal in excess of 300 million and growing. She released a book called GirlBoss that has been all the rage and topped the NY times best seller and Netflix is releasing a show based on her life.

Forbes has had its eye on Amoruso’s net worth since 2012, when we described her in a magazine profile as “fashion’s new phenom.” That year, revenues topped $100 million. Nasty Gal also raised a significant amount of money to fuel its rise: $65 million between 2012 and early 2015.

In 2016 she made Forbes Richest self made women list.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc...y-gal-sophia-amoruso-richest-women-net-worth/

The #Girlboss empire now includes a 2014 New York Times bestseller, a hit podcast, a just-released coffee table book, and an upcoming Netflix comedy based on Amoruso’s unconventional path, produced by Charlize Theron.

The show is slated to debut in 2017. Netflix did not respond when Forbes asked whether the series will go ahead despite Nasty Gal’s woes.

Then a few months later it came to light that Nasty Gal was filing for bankrupcy protection. New CEO former head at Lululemon was not able to turn the company around or find private investors and by 2017 the company went up for sale with only one paltry bid from a low end online retailer boohoo for 20 million.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc...cy-founder-sophia-amorusos-fortune-decimated/

It is now clear the startup was unable to maintain the momentum required by such investment. Index Ventures, which pumped $49 million into the edgy e-tailer, will be feeling the brunt of this week’s bankruptcy news. Partner Danny Rimer is expected to resign from Nasty Gal’s board, as is Amoruso, the executive chairperson.

Amoruso stepped down from the CEO role in early 2015, when Waterson took the reins after a brief stint as chief product officer.


Turns out Forbes projected wrong on all counts. The business once they stopped selling vintage on ebay never had a dedicated customer base and certainly not at those huge levels.

Nasty Gal’s bankruptcy means Amoruso will tumble off Forbes’ list of Richest Self-Made Women, where she was one of the youngest members. She made her debut this year with an estimated net worth of $280 million, based entirely on the assumed value of her majority stake in Nasty Gal, which according to multiple sources had nearly $300 million in sales. In 2016, Nasty Gal secured the top spot on e-commerce bible Internet Retailer’s Top 500 guide thanks to its reported 92.4% compound annual growth.

The company had poured money into aggressive marketing and PR namely through youtube which accounted for a spike in revenue from 2012 ~ 2015 but failed to translate that marketing expense into a loyal consumer base.


So what went wrong at Nasty Gal?

Wasn’t the company growing rapidly?
Nasty Gal enjoyed tremendous growth in its early years, but at a heavy cost.

By 2011, its annual sales hit $24 million, an 11,200% jump from three years earlier, the company said publicly. Sales leap-frogged again in 2012 to nearly $100 million.

But it wasn’t long before sales started dropping — to $85 million in 2014, and then $77 million in 2015, according to bankruptcy documents. (In a stark example of appearance versus reality, Forbes magazine predicted that its 2015 sales would top $300 million).

Why did sales start to drop?
Analysts said that Nasty Gal’s rapid growth was fueled by heavy spending in advertising and marketing. It’s a strategy that many start-ups use, but one that only pays off in the long-run if one-time buyers become loyal shoppers.

“You end up spending money via marketing online like banner ads [or paying] influencers,” said Ari Bloom, chief executive of Avametric, a fashion software company in San Francisco, and an investor in fashion start-ups. “If you spend $50 on marketing to get a customer to buy something and they only buy once from you, you are probably not making money.”

In Nasty Gal’s case, the inability to hold on to customers led to what’s called “a leaky bucket” situation, analysts said. Once the company burned through its fundraising capital and slowed down on marketing, sales began falling in 2014 and continued to drop.

“When they turned that spending off, the growth vastly declined and revenue went down,” said Richie Siegel, founder of Loose Threads, a media company focused on fashion and technology. “I can spend $200 million to make $100 million in revenue, but that” doesn’t make for a sustainable business.

That pretty much means that her wealth wasnt made from the Nasty Gal empire at all but made by selling books and a tv series that was based on a lie about how successful Nasty Gal was and there was Forbes a noted economic paper touting the hype when they had no actual data on how profitable the business was.

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▪Bullet points▪

▪ woman makes a nice profit selling old clothes on ebay

▪gets banned on ebay decides to open e-store

▪funnels millions of dollars and product into advertising and pr on youtube

▪sales skyrocket for 3 years but company is spending more on marketing than making returns on that marketing

▪notable media sources such as financial giant Forbes grossly over estimate company and founders worth/wealth

▪company is bankrupt in 4 years

▪owner making bank on selling books and television series about her life as savvy kickstarted business woman

▪forbes got it wrong and possibly unreliable

▪you can make money conving others you made money when you didnt really make money

▪#girlboss




 
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▪you can make money conving others you made money when you didnt really make money

This is an old concept and it's been done many times. Those 2 am infomercials about how to make millions from home and be your own boss. Order now and start learning the secrets of success!

Forbes is about as legit as CNN... here's there latest "feed interruption" as soon as this guy lays out statistics about muslim refugees.
 
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Forbes puts out a lot of legit raw data that makes them very valuable but I take the op-ed pieces with a grain of salt. They spin stories pretty hard, though it's very rare they put out anything as bad as what you just posted

wall street journal is the financial news I trust the most, though they occasionally spin some stories
 
This is an old concept and it's been done many times. Those 2 am infomercials about how to make millions from home and be your own boss. Order now and start learning the secrets of success!

Forbes is about as legit as CNN... here's there latest "feed interruption" as soon as this guy lays out statistics about muslim refugees.


Yes about faking it until you make it

Success breeds success, that's why rappers rent gold chains and fancy cars for their music videos. Even in sales where you think people would distrust a great salesman, if the customer thinks 9382627272661 people just bought it, they are more likely to buy than if they know 99% of people turned it down

I remember my 3rd sales pitch ever, I was shot down the first two times and the customer said "does anyone buy this?" I said "of course, I've sold like 5 of them today, why wouldn't someone buy it?" and it got me the sale

#fakeituntilyoumakeit
 
Yes about faking it until you make it

Success breeds success, that's why rappers rent gold chains and fancy cars for their music videos. Even in sales where you think people would distrust a great salesman, if the customer thinks 9382627272661 people just bought it, they are more likely to buy than if they know 99% of people turned it down

I remember my 3rd sales pitch ever, I was shot down the first two times and the customer said "does anyone buy this?" I said "of course, I've sold like 5 of them today, why wouldn't someone buy it?" and it got me the sale

#fakeituntilyoumakeit
I dont know if this is the proper definition but isnt this like a ponzi scheme?

In the end she is making money but not from the business but kind of an image made of how successful the business was when it really wasnt.
 
I dont know if this is the proper definition but isnt this like a ponzi scheme?

In the end she is making money but not from the business but kind of an image made of how successful the business was when it really wasnt.

Nah, a Ponzi scheme is when you pay out dividends from new investments

Lying about success is just a normal business practice that almost every business does, as long as they don't lie on the accounting to investors and IRS, it's all gravy


Lots of companies make more money off branding than the actual product, like Harley Davidson motorcyles make more money off convincing people they are THE motorcycle brand and selling related products than actually selling bikes.
 
Yes about faking it until you make it

Success breeds success, that's why rappers rent gold chains and fancy cars for their music videos. Even in sales where you think people would distrust a great salesman, if the customer thinks 9382627272661 people just bought it, they are more likely to buy than if they know 99% of people turned it down

I remember my 3rd sales pitch ever, I was shot down the first two times and the customer said "does anyone buy this?" I said "of course, I've sold like 5 of them today, why wouldn't someone buy it?" and it got me the sale

#fakeituntilyoumakeit

Our current President also has some skill in that area.

On topic, proper valuations and projections are hard, because you only have the public numbers. That said, most fad based retailers have short runs. I wonder how many suicides took place in rooms full of unopened Beanie Babies.
 
they left me off their forbes 400 again. Not credible.
 
Cases like this are more common than you may think. Reminded me of Bel Peace but in a greater scale.
 
Forbes, Fortune, and WSJ are as legit as they get, but no analyst is infallable with their growth projections, especially when working with limited released data from privately-held companies in their early stages.

NastyGal is just one out of millions of high-flying start-ups that can't sustain their burn rates and grow themselves into bankruptcy. There's virtually nothing special about them really, minus the attention the founder got from the media on the virtue of having a vagina.

Now when a public darling of Wall Street like Enron and WorldCom bite the dust, that's something worth talking about.
 
Once again, conservatives can't tell the difference between incompetence and deceit.

Probably because they're so incompetent.
 
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