Floyd Mayweather vs Ray Robinson

[ga_ninja]

This would be the one the most tactical boxing matches ever but I think Money beats Sugar.

 

[nac386]

Ray has serious size and nostalgia advantages. I really don't see how Floyd deals with all that black-and-white footage. Ray by KO in the 13th.

 

[ga_ninja]

IMHO Robinson was nothing more than a glorified brawler that can move.

 

[nac386]

IMHO Robinson was nothing more than a glorified brawler that can move.

Apparently you have not seen the SRR highlight video where they play the piano solo from the end of Layla. That shit made me feel like I could beat Floyd.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Ray has serious size and nostalgia advantages. I really don't see how Floyd deals with all that black-and-white footage. Ray by KO in the 13th.

Fucking LOL.

 

[wilddeuces]

I dunno, I think calling Robinson a glorified brawler is a bit like say that Roberto Duran was brawler. You can't move up in weight, be a brawler and show a great deal of success. I mean, one could, but the exceptions obviously don't outweigh the truth. Robinson was very hard to hit cleanly (with or without the grainy black and white footage). I think it could be a competitive fight, but Robinson is one of the most well-rounded boxers in history. When has Mayweather fought a guy that does move backward AND forward very well? Not much, to my recollection.

Robinson is also 5'11", making him a tough guy to fight, especially with his equal reach (72-73"). Mayweather often fights guys that have a shorter reach. Given that both men knew how to use their range, and that Robinson was great at feinting, one may likely not see Mayweather as effective, especially with his low output style. Mayweather has found a way (appreciable or not) to pull off a win every time, but he's also had a string of opponents that let him be a matador to a predictable bull.

Both guys are revered by their respective fans, so at the end of the day, it could be a series that goes back and forth. No one will be happy by the end of the debate.

 

[Seano]

IMHO Robinson was nothing more than a glorified brawler that can move.

There is a little truth to that. I think Ray's technique is a little overrated.
That said, aggression has always been the closest thing Floyd has to a weakness and Robinson could dish it out. Its tough to say if Floyds timing and countering would shut down Robinson like it does every other guy he fights.

I'd probably take Ray to outwork him, especially if it were filmed in black and white. I don't see it being a blowout like most historians would try to tell you it'd be though.

 

[Seano]

Apparently you have not seen the SRR highlight video where they play the piano solo from the end of Layla. That shit made me feel like I could beat Floyd.

Floyd ain't shit. I'll fight him right now.

 

[JayElectra]

There is a little truth to that. I think Ray's technique is a little overrated.
That said, aggression has always been the closest thing Floyd has to a weakness and Robinson could dish it out. Its tough to say if Floyds timing and countering would shut down Robinson like it does every other guy he fights.

I'd probably take Ray to outwork him, especially if it were filmed in black and white. I don't see it being a blowout like most historians would try to tell you it'd be though.

There isn't any truth to Robinson being a glorified brawler.

 

[Confucamus]

I could see a 7-5 or 8-4 win for Floyd. I believe Robinson could box and brawl, with technical skill that hadn't been seen before. At least not as well put together as he had it. But he never faced anybody like Floyd.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Apparently you have not seen the SRR highlight video where they play the piano solo from the end of Layla. That shit made me feel like I could beat Floyd.

One of the best highlights on youtube.



I still have reznicks as Robinson's number 1 highlight video and Glovesup as number 2.



OG Boxing Highlight maker

 

[Seano]

There isn't any truth to Robinson being a glorified brawler.

eh.... I don't know. Sometimes the guy would just plant his feet and throw shitloads of punches. He'd walk right in on guys and just throw. He was no slick boxer. He's not Brandon Rios, no, but he wasn't the flawless tactician that some people like to say he was. He'd often just grit his teeth and duke it out. More often than not actually.

 

[nac386]

eh.... I don't know. Sometimes the guy would just plant his feet and throw shitloads of punches. He'd walk right in on guys and just throw. He was no slick boxer. He's not Brandon Rios, no, but he wasn't the flawless tactician that some people like to say he was. He'd often just grit his teeth and duke it out. More often than not actually.

That's when men were men. When a man would wake up at 4am, eat his eggs seasoned with gunpowder, and go to the gym to box without defending himself. Come home that evening to a subservient wife and hot dinner. Then go to bed to peacefully rest his battered brain, knowing there were no women in his workplace, or transgendereds in his bathroom.

 

[JayElectra]

eh.... I don't know. Sometimes the guy would just plant his feet and throw shitloads of punches. He'd walk right in on guys and just throw. He was no slick boxer. He's not Brandon Rios, no, but he wasn't the flawless tactician that some people like to say he was. He'd often just grit his teeth and duke it out. More often than not actually.

Except, you know, he soundly outboxed ATG fighters who were known for being slick boxer themselves. He'd certainly be considered an excellent boxer in this era in addition to all of his other elite qualities. I mean, he was without a doubt a better boxer than anyone Floyd has ever fought (along with being a better puncher). I think he'd take a decision over Floyd (over 12 a 9-3 or 8-4 type of deal, over 15 it's hard to say although I think Floyd's style is well suited to the 15 round distance). He'd be the natural bigger man with a comparable jab, comparable speed, comparable, maybe slightly inferior craft, clearly superior power, and a more consistent workrate. It's a really tough matchup for Floyd to win, but Floyd would be good enough to make it competitive over the distance.

 

[fightingrabbit]

IMHO Robinson was nothing more than a glorified brawler that can move.

That's because YDKSAB.

I always thought Floyds style would give Robinson trouble though. But then again it'd give anyone trouble.

eh.... I don't know. Sometimes the guy would just plant his feet and throw shitloads of punches. He'd walk right in on guys and just throw. He was no slick boxer. He's not Brandon Rios, no, but he wasn't the flawless tactician that some people like to say he was. He'd often just grit his teeth and duke it out. More often than not actually.

Yeah he'd brawl with the brawler at times. But he also moved, circled, counter-punched, and picked his shots just as well. The way he'd transition seamlessly from counter punching boxer to brawler is what made him so dangerous and effective. He's not a tactician in the sense that'd he cerebrally adjust his game like a Floyd or Toney. In fact his jab was merely just a range finder to set up his combinations. He only had one mode, but he was a master at it.

The way you're describing him as just walking in on guys and just throwing is reminiscent of some plodder. But Robinson always set up his offensive. While most brawlers by definition wade in and hope they hit something.

 

[Seano]

Except, you know, he soundly outboxed ATG fighters who were known for being slick boxer themselves.

Well, lets not move the goal post now. This wasn't really what I said. Personally, I never saw guys like Lamotta, Gavilan, Fullmer and Basillio as great technical boxers, though. What guys are you talking about specifically?

He'd certainly be considered an excellent boxer in this era in addition to all of his other elite qualities. I mean, he was without a doubt a better boxer than anyone Floyd has ever fought (along with being a better puncher). I think he'd take a decision over Floyd (over 12 a 9-3 or 8-4 type of deal, over 15 it's hard to say although I think Floyd's style is well suited to the 15 round distance). He'd be the natural bigger man with a comparable jab, comparable speed, comparable, maybe slightly inferior craft, clearly superior power, and a more consistent workrate. It's a really tough matchup for Floyd to win, but Floyd would be good enough to make it competitive over the distance.

None of this is really an argument to what I said. I actually picked Ray to beat Floyd in that post, so I agree he's better than the guys Floyd has fought. The question isn't really whether who is better, Maidana or Robinson?

That said, Robinson was no slickster. He more like a volume puncher with good power. I mean, I'm sure you can find a video where he moves his head or displays some footwork but was that REALLY what he was about? No, not really.

 

[PHATV]

I call them 1 and 1a in that one. Who you put where is up to you, but I'll call Floyd 1.

 

[JayElectra]

Well, lets not move the goal post now. This wasn't really what I said. Personally, I never saw guys like Lamotta, Gavilan, Fullmer and Basillio as great technical boxers, though. What guys are you talking about specifically?



None of this is really an argument to what I said. I actually picked Ray to beat Floyd in that post, so I agree he's better than the guys Floyd has fought. The question isn't really whether who is better, Maidana or Robinson?

That said, Robinson was no slickster. He more like a volume puncher with good power. I mean, I'm sure you can find a video where he moves his head or displays some footwork but was that REALLY what he was about? No, not really.

Gavilan was very much considered a slick, technical boxer. Robinson wasn't the defensive fighter that Mayweather is/was, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a very good boxer. He is basically the ideal of the boxer-puncher archetype. My point by saying that Robinson was a better boxer than anyone Floyd has ever fought sort of underlines the point that Robinson could box as Floyd has a pretty stellar resume.

 

[Seano]

Meh, I've spent some time watching Robinson. He surely did brawl it out and won fights with volume and power. That describes his performances more often than not than saying he was a slickster or technical boxer.

I get why people take exception the phrase "glorified brawler" because it brings to mind guys like Brandon Rios, but he did like to brawl. He liked to stand and trade. He wouldn't get on his toes and dance around if he fought a guy like Floyd. He's try to overwhelm him with output and power.

It would be like me saying Mayweather was a brawler because he slugged it out with Augustus. Sure he could do it. But its not what he was about and its not how he chose to fight more often than not.

For a guy people are trying to say was slick, he sure got hit clean a lot.

 

[fightingrabbit]

Meh, I've spent some time watching Robinson. He surely did brawl it out and won fights with volume and power. That describes his performances more often than not than saying he was a slickster or technical boxer.

I get why people take exception the phrase "glorified brawler" because it brings to mind guys like Brandon Rios, but he did like to brawl. He liked to stand and trade. He wouldn't get on his toes and dance around if he fought a guy like Floyd. He's try to overwhelm him with output and power.

It would be like me saying Mayweather was a brawler because he slugged it out with Augustus. Sure he could do it. But its not what he was about and its not how he chose to fight more often than not.

For a guy people are trying to say was slick, he sure got hit clean a lot.

Weird, I've heard Robinson called many things, but defensively slick was never one of them. Also I don't think anyone besides you in this thread brought up the slick thing.