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Fiziev Will Never Represent Kyrgyzstan again

All religions are better than stupid beliefs of liberal west
I'm saying this as an ex-muslim

Science. Political ideology. Something tends to fill in the gap in non religious. The only difference is that religious people know and are aware of what they worship. Others aren't. It's amusing when people think they are totally objective and independent thinkers.
 
He should move to Russia and join his buddy Yan in Yekaterinburg! I'm sure Petr's billionaire backer Igor Altushkin will happily take care of Rafael as well.

He's half-Russian anyway so he'd fit right in.
 
Science. Political ideology. Something tends to fill in the gap in non religious. The only difference is that religious people know and are aware of what they worship. Others aren't. It's amusing when people think they are totally objective and independent thinkers.

The whole thread was started because different Sects of Muslims couldnt agree on what they should worship. I get your point but people in general are retarded as fuck. We dont hold the key to anything. It's just Dunning Kruger syndrome of being the biggest fish in a small pond.
 
The whole thread was started because different Sects of Muslims couldnt agree on what they should worship. I get your point but people in general are retarded as fuck. We dont hold the key to anything. It's just Dunning Kruger syndrome of being the biggest fish in a small pond.

Yes. We are retarded. I agree. As I've mentioned elsewhere, animals that learned to talk and work together. We aren't that special.

We are all heavily influenced by our upbringing. There isn't much we can do to change this. We can rebel and go the other way, but that was still spurred on by the rejection of your upbringing.

No one is objective. Absolutely no one. People forgetting this is one of the biggest world problems (I'm aware there are dozens and dozens of equally or more severe problems).

It always cracks me up when everyone calls everyone else brain washed. We all are in some way.
 
religious people are the most judgmental, hypocritical, and aggressive people on the planet. its actually really ironic and hilarious imo..
"Religious" is a very broad, safe way to put it here. Notice it's always one particular religion dishing out the threats and complaining in news. You make it sound like Christians or Buddhists or Taoists would pull this kind of crap.
 
If you haven't noticed, Fiziev walked out with no flag. It's a sad story. Since his dad is muslim and Shiite, and majority of Kyrgyzstan is sunni, he is getting harassed and threatened daily, because a few high ranking individuals for some reason decided to direct their focus on him and reprimand him for his background. Now he is getting thousands of death threads and is forced to leave the country.

It's kind of pathetic that people of the same religion can't even get along.

https://calfkicker.com/rafael-fiziev-forced-to-abandon-representing-his-country/
Rafael Fiziev Forced To Abandon Representing His Country

While the UFC claims to be apolitical and all for freedom of speech there seems to be mounting evidence to the contrary. The latest bizarre situation is forcing a huge prospect in the lightweight division Rafael Fiziev to stop representing his country.

According to Fiziev himself he and his wife receive thousands of threatening letters day in and out:

“Today my family and I faced persecution by the muftiate and also some well-known people in Kyrgyzstan. Because of this harassment, because of these false videos, it is not clear why they were made …

Today, my family and I receive many angry messages from all over Kyrgyzstan, and we are not talking about tens, but about hundreds, there are a lot of them, I would even say thousands … I’m surprised that for some reason they even write to my wife …

What I want to say: I have never been a preacher, I have never preached anything and I just show what millions of people do on Instagram – I show my life, what I do everyone day. Each person has his own opinion and each person has the right to legally do what he wants in a secular state.

This is what I did and received a lot of harassment from the muftiat today. Because of what today there is a lot of pressure on me and my family … So the point is that’s it! I leave, and nothing else connects me with Kyrgyzstan except my passport.

My family too, in the near future we will think about moving from the country, because everything went like that. I stop performing under the flag of Kyrgyzstan, because many messages are received and everyone is on this basis … I have always been on my own, I owe nothing to anyone and no one owes me anything, ”Rafael says in his video message.



According to Fiziev’s wikipedia page he was born in Kazakhstan, to a Russian mother and an Azerbaijani father. Fiziev grew up and is a citizen of Kyrgyzstan.

The Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Kyrgyzstan (SAMK) claimed that they had nothing to do with the decision.

“We are engaged in our direct responsibilities, in particular educating the people,” the organization was quoted as saying in a statement, while stressing it would refrain from commenting on remarks made by Fiziev and former Kyrgyzstan mufti Maksatbek Toktomushev.

On YouTube, the latter read out a question which asked how Sharia would view Fiziev calling the Iraqi city of Karbala the most sacred after Mecca and Medina, to which Toktomushev replied that despite being an idol in the country, Fiziev should not confuse sport with faith while Central Asian people subscribe to Sunni Islam.

“You cannot make such calls, I speak about it openly,” said Toktomushev.

“It is felt that today there is no experienced mentor next to him who could lead him not only in sports, but also in such situations,” Toktogonov added.

“There is no one who would say: ‘Do not get excited, think carefully.’

Rafael, even if someone wrote offensive comments to you, these are not all the people of Kyrgyzstan, these are some isolated people. There was no need to give up on the country.

“A huge number of Kyrgyzstanis supported and cheered for you. Now they are all upset. Think about it,” RT translated his statement.

“This can lead to interfaith conflict. Therefore, I hope that our athlete will correctly perceive my words and stop his calls.

“[There is nothing wrong with the fact that he has convictions. If he goes to the Kaaba [at Islam’s most important mosque in Mecca], there will be completely different feelings.

Separately, Fiziev’s first coach Emil Toktogonov has also waded into the row, and called his ex-charge’s decision a “boyish act”.
This is what people of religion do. Convert or die. Well, two of the main religions. Buddhists have a pretty good outlook.
 
That is really sad. Imagine not being able to represent the United States because you were catholic or something like that. It's ridiculous. Religion is the most divisive force on the planet.
 
Imagine getting so butt hurt over the disagreement of which city is most important to your fairy tale.
 
Move to US and leave that dumpster fire.. it would be better for his career anyway.

The problem is life is expensive as fuk here. That’s why 200mil live under the poverty line. His money won’t go far here unless he can make the big bucks.
 
The problem is life is expensive as fuk here. That’s why 200mil live under the poverty line. His money won’t go far here unless he can make the big bucks.

He getting death threats from crazy religious morons. He has potential to make good money with his style.. he can teach and maybe open his own gym in peace
 
All he has to do is to move to Thailand. It's warm, hospitable, and cheap and he is already acclimated there. No need to move to US.
 
It's strange because they don't care about valentina who is not religious at all
 
If you haven't noticed, Fiziev walked out with no flag. It's a sad story. Since his dad is muslim and Shiite, and majority of Kyrgyzstan is sunni, he is getting harassed and threatened daily, because a few high ranking individuals for some reason decided to direct their focus on him and reprimand him for his background. Now he is getting thousands of death threads and is forced to leave the country.

It's kind of pathetic that people of the same religion can't even get along.

https://calfkicker.com/rafael-fiziev-forced-to-abandon-representing-his-country/
Rafael Fiziev Forced To Abandon Representing His Country

While the UFC claims to be apolitical and all for freedom of speech there seems to be mounting evidence to the contrary. The latest bizarre situation is forcing a huge prospect in the lightweight division Rafael Fiziev to stop representing his country.

According to Fiziev himself he and his wife receive thousands of threatening letters day in and out:

“Today my family and I faced persecution by the muftiate and also some well-known people in Kyrgyzstan. Because of this harassment, because of these false videos, it is not clear why they were made …

Today, my family and I receive many angry messages from all over Kyrgyzstan, and we are not talking about tens, but about hundreds, there are a lot of them, I would even say thousands … I’m surprised that for some reason they even write to my wife …

What I want to say: I have never been a preacher, I have never preached anything and I just show what millions of people do on Instagram – I show my life, what I do everyone day. Each person has his own opinion and each person has the right to legally do what he wants in a secular state.

This is what I did and received a lot of harassment from the muftiat today. Because of what today there is a lot of pressure on me and my family … So the point is that’s it! I leave, and nothing else connects me with Kyrgyzstan except my passport.

My family too, in the near future we will think about moving from the country, because everything went like that. I stop performing under the flag of Kyrgyzstan, because many messages are received and everyone is on this basis … I have always been on my own, I owe nothing to anyone and no one owes me anything, ”Rafael says in his video message.



According to Fiziev’s wikipedia page he was born in Kazakhstan, to a Russian mother and an Azerbaijani father. Fiziev grew up and is a citizen of Kyrgyzstan.

The Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Kyrgyzstan (SAMK) claimed that they had nothing to do with the decision.

“We are engaged in our direct responsibilities, in particular educating the people,” the organization was quoted as saying in a statement, while stressing it would refrain from commenting on remarks made by Fiziev and former Kyrgyzstan mufti Maksatbek Toktomushev.

On YouTube, the latter read out a question which asked how Sharia would view Fiziev calling the Iraqi city of Karbala the most sacred after Mecca and Medina, to which Toktomushev replied that despite being an idol in the country, Fiziev should not confuse sport with faith while Central Asian people subscribe to Sunni Islam.

“You cannot make such calls, I speak about it openly,” said Toktomushev.

“It is felt that today there is no experienced mentor next to him who could lead him not only in sports, but also in such situations,” Toktogonov added.

“There is no one who would say: ‘Do not get excited, think carefully.’

Rafael, even if someone wrote offensive comments to you, these are not all the people of Kyrgyzstan, these are some isolated people. There was no need to give up on the country.

“A huge number of Kyrgyzstanis supported and cheered for you. Now they are all upset. Think about it,” RT translated his statement.

“This can lead to interfaith conflict. Therefore, I hope that our athlete will correctly perceive my words and stop his calls.

“[There is nothing wrong with the fact that he has convictions. If he goes to the Kaaba [at Islam’s most important mosque in Mecca], there will be completely different feelings.

Separately, Fiziev’s first coach Emil Toktogonov has also waded into the row, and called his ex-charge’s decision a “boyish act”.
Nice religion
 
All he has to do is to move to Thailand. It's warm, hospitable, and cheap and he is already acclimated there. No need to move to US.
I’m guessing he will split time between Thailand and the US, obviously traveling here for portions of his fight camps. It’s not a bad gig, my wife was living between the US and Thailand during OEF/OIF year’s while I was deployed. I remember her being the happiest back then, anyway in the 18 years we’ve known each other.
 
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