Media First time i see George Saint Pierre vs Matt Serra 1. Damn, prime GSP was three time the size.

[Alphakennybody20]

Prime Hendricks=Prime GSP


Prime Hendricks is the best possible fighter GSP could ever hope to beat in the octagon

 

[BRASIL WAND]

>First time watching Serra/GSP



How has any MMA fan NOT seen that fight? This dude is a Sherdog Silver belt and hasn’t seen an MMA classic...


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[Bob Sapp]

GSP vs Serra 1 was a victory for all manlet kind. I think I saw a poster of Serra in an Ashe & Erie store.

WTF is Ash and Erie?

 

[rakeleaves]

"Looks more offbalance than anything." - Joe Rogan. At least Couture was the to correctly call it.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Does it matter? You say Hendricks was on steroids all the time

Hendricks has never failed a test. Neither has GSP. The term Post USADA is thrown around a lot and a lot of people who try to discredit GSP claim he left before USADA, despite the fact that the lack of significant testing is one of the main reasons he left after the Hendricks fight.

There is one significant thing to consider. Post USADA GSP became the UFC MW champion and a 2 division title holder, all while having the same "Look". Hendricks Post USADA couldn't win, or even make weight. He lost 3 of 3 WW fights and missed weight for 2 of them. He then moved up to MW and lost 2 of 3 and missed weight again.

GSP looks shredded and Steroids don't do that for you. Strict diet does that. Hendricks performance fell off dramatically and steroids are not the only PED. Weight cutting is an area he may have had a performance enhancer. He also lost his other worldly power.

Hendricks did fail the results in the Octagon test Post USADA.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

GSP looked a little stiff and apprehensive. He missed with lots of kicks. Neither guy did much at all prior to the first slip. Serra looked more relaxed and was landing a little cleaner, although there was nothing significant from either guy. I don't see much of a case for a 10-9 GSP if the round ended before the first slip.

There is no case for a Serra 10-9 before he rocked GSP. I don't agree that Serra was landing cleaner but you said it best "nothing significant from either guy." In that case the volume should be the deciding factor and despite the head kicks that didn't land GSP was out landing him in significant strikes, particularly head strikes.

Saying Serra was Outstriking GSP before is baseless.

 

[Fioretti]

There is no case for a Serra 10-9 before he rocked GSP. I don't agree that Serra was landing cleaner but you said it best "nothing significant from either guy." In that case the volume should be the deciding factor and despite the head kicks that didn't land GSP was out landing him in significant strikes, particularly head strikes.

Saying Serra was Outstriking GSP before is baseless.

Neither guy was outstriking the other. It was a lot of dancing and missing. If the round ended before the slip, I see no argument for a 10-9 either way.

 

[Mamou]

Hendricks has never failed a test. Neither has GSP. The term Post USADA is thrown around a lot and a lot of people who try to discredit GSP claim he left before USADA, despite the fact that the lack of significant testing is one of the main reasons he left after the Hendricks fight.

There is one significant thing to consider. Post USADA GSP became the UFC MW champion and a 2 division title holder, all while having the same "Look". Hendricks Post USADA couldn't win, or even make weight. He lost 3 of 3 WW fights and missed weight for 2 of them. He then moved up to MW and lost 2 of 3 and missed weight again.

GSP looks shredded and Steroids don't do that for you. Strict diet does that. Hendricks performance fell off dramatically and steroids are not the only PED. Weight cutting is an area he may have had a performance enhancer. He also lost his other worldly power.

Hendricks did fail the results in the Octagon test Post USADA.

Cool...

So neither failed a test, thanks...

 

[Fioretti]

There is no case for a Serra 10-9 before he rocked GSP. I don't agree that Serra was landing cleaner but you said it best "nothing significant from either guy." In that case the volume should be the deciding factor and despite the head kicks that didn't land GSP was out landing him in significant strikes, particularly head strikes.

Saying Serra was Outstriking GSP before is baseless.

GSP landed 6 of 23 in the fight, only 4 to the head. He wasn't landing shit.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Neither guy was outstriking the other. It was a lot of dancing and missing. If the round ended before the slip, I see no argument for a 10-9 either way.

Fair enough. So saying Serra was outstriking GSP was a ridiculous thing to say. That was yesterday so I don't remember if it was you or someone else???

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Cool...

So neither failed a test, thanks...

Neither one failed a drug test.
Hendricks failed the results in the Octagon test and is now out of MMA. He even failed the BKFC test.

 

[Fioretti]

Fair enough. So saying Serra was outstriking GSP was a ridiculous thing to say. That was yesterday so I don't remember if it was you or someone else???

Someone else said GSP was outstriking Serra. My comment you initially quoted was in response to them.

Edit: it was actually you who said that. Lol

 

[Mamou]

Neither one failed a drug test.
Hendricks failed the results in the Octagon test and is now out of MMA. He even failed the BKFC test.

Cool...

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Serra was always small for the division. In his prime he was a lightweight..

Now he's a heavyweight..

Spoiler

serra was walking around at 205lbs before the gsp fight, was not small

 

[dipstickjimmy]

GSP landed 6 of 23 in the fight, only 4 to the head. He wasn't landing shit.

I watched the first 3 min of the fight and counted 10 that he landed in the first 2 min. Go watch it, its available free online. UFC stats are not always accurate.

 

[Fioretti]

I watched the first 3 min of the fight and counted 10 that he landed in the first 2 min. Go watch it, its available free online. UFC stats are not always accurate.

I watched it and made my initial statements before looking up the stats. I didn't think either guy did anything, but noticed GSP missing a lot. I don't recall 10 strikes landing. Either way, you saying GSP was winning is just as ridiculous as someone saying Serra was winning. He might've landed one or two more, but not a single strike was damaging or threatening. It was very uneventful until the first slip, then Serra unleashed the Terra!

 

[Dirge]

I can't see there being a bigger upset in all of MMA. I actually can't even see it being possible statistically. The odds of there being a season called "The Comeback" where the winner gets a title shot is crazy and in this climate doesn't seem like it will ever happen again. Then you add the fact that Serra was a journeyman and fought other journeymen that he was slightly better than to win TUF then face one of the (future) greatest WW's of all time and KO him is insane. The rematch solidified how crazy it was that Serra won the first fight because in reality he didn't belong in there. Serra wasn't even a gatekeeper at best the stars aligned for him.

It was bizarre.

Only fight I can think of that was close when you compared the pedigree of the two fighters was Rockhold Bisping II. Rockhold absolutely destroyed Bisping in their first fight and Bisping took the second fight on 10 days notice.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I watched it and made my initial statements before looking up the stats. I didn't think either guy did anything, but noticed GSP missing a lot. I don't recall 10 strikes landing. Either way, you saying GSP was winning is just as ridiculous as someone saying Serra was winning. He might've landed one or two more, but not a single strike was damaging or threatening. It was very uneventful until the first slip, then Serra unleashed the Terra!

If we were to agree that neither one landed anything significant then landing more has to be the difference. Either way the fight was Serra's that night.