finishing on top from crackdown

[tekkenfan]

curious on your fav ways to finish and and end up on top in good position after a crackdown headoutside single when someone tries to buttdrag like conor tried vs khabib in theirfight in first round

 

[grapplejuice]

curious on your fav ways to finish and and end up on top in good position after a crackdown headoutside single when someone tries to buttdrag like conor tried vs khabib in theirfight in first round

 

[tekkenfan]

yeah

thats good for pure wrestling but i was hoping to get more of a bjj/mma technique response seems most guys like to crotch lock after you crackdown to the mat im not afraid of them rolling me but more of them trying to escape get space curious what some good methods to end up on top would be surprised there isnt an real vids of this online as this is one of the most common takedowns in mma bjj and thats one of the most common defenses so ud think people would have answers to it and post

 

[grapplejuice]

yeah

thats good for pure wrestling but i was hoping to get more of a bjj/mma technique response seems most guys like to crotch lock after you crackdown to the mat im not afraid of them rolling me but more of them trying to escape get space curious what some good methods to end up on top would be surprised there isnt an real vids of this online as this is one of the most common takedowns in mma bjj and thats one of the most common defenses so ud think people would have answers to it and post

There's no wrestling crackdown or jiu jitsu crackdown, it's just a crackdown. The guy in the video is arguably the best wrestler in the history of American wrestling with multiple Olympic gold medals but by all means go find a jiu jitsu crackdown video instead.

 

[tekkenfan]

There's no wrestling crackdown or jiu jitsu crackdown, it's just a crackdown. The guy in the video is arguably the best wrestler in the history of American wrestling with multiple Olympic gold medals but by all means go find a jiu jitsu crackdown video instead.

lolz no shit he is but the way hes showing it is again from a wrestling meta vs mma kinda like how the double is a bit different in mma due to punches thrown at you if you think that the ground wrestling is the same as in mma then you are very misinformed

 

[rmongler]

Another way of saying 'crackdown finish' in submission wrestling is 'reverse half guard sweep' or 'deep half guard sweep'.

 

[yetanother]

There's no wrestling crackdown or jiu jitsu crackdown, it's just a crackdown. The guy in the video is arguably the best wrestler in the history of American wrestling with multiple Olympic gold medals but by all means go find a jiu jitsu crackdown video instead.

The counter attacks are different in jiu jitsu. Getting stuck in a crucifix is no fun.

 

[grapplejuice]

I think you guys are under the misimpression that I only wrestle. I've trained at Ralph Gracies, 10th Planet and for the past decade with Cesar Gracie guys and competed at NAGA. I'm far from something special but I've used it successfully against all levels. The same tight elbow that prevents my opponent from putting their hooks in or wrapping around the waist will prevent a crucifix.

And what was the other thing? One guy said he was afraid of the opponent getting space and escaping? You think that's easy to do once someone has both arms locked around your leg and your hip is pinned to the mat? You don't think in the decades that this technique has been used and re-used, learned trained and perfected wrestlers didn't think about an opponent creating space and escaping? C'mon man.

 

[leaf22]

As I recall, khabib switched up to a double when Conor crotch locked him, which is one of the options John Smith shows there.
That seems like a winner.

 

[yetanother]

I think you guys are under the misimpression that I only wrestle. I've trained at Ralph Gracies, 10th Planet and for the past decade with Cesar Gracie guys and competed at NAGA. I'm far from something special but I've used it successfully against all levels. The same tight elbow that prevents my opponent from putting their hooks in or wrapping around the waist will prevent a crucifix.

And what was the other thing? One guy said he was afraid of the opponent getting space and escaping? You think that's easy to do once someone has both arms locked around your leg and your hip is pinned to the mat? You don't think in the decades that this technique has been used and re-used, learned trained and perfected wrestlers didn't think about an opponent creating space and escaping? C'mon man.

How do you prevent the crucifix? This seems like the biggest threat here. Do you prevent them from trapping you arm with their legs?

 

[tekkenfan]

I think you guys are under the misimpression that I only wrestle. I've trained at Ralph Gracies, 10th Planet and for the past decade with Cesar Gracie guys and competed at NAGA. I'm far from something special but I've used it successfully against all levels. The same tight elbow that prevents my opponent from putting their hooks in or wrapping around the waist will prevent a crucifix.

And what was the other thing? One guy said he was afraid of the opponent getting space and escaping? You think that's easy to do once someone has both arms locked around your leg and your hip is pinned to the mat? You don't think in the decades that this technique has been used and re-used, learned trained and perfected wrestlers didn't think about an opponent creating space and escaping? C'mon man.

obviously wrestlers in their sport have it down perfectly but again if you trained foryears you should be able to see that lots of ways wrestlers do takedowns or ground work on the ground could get them put into very bad positions things have to be modded again same with

i wish it were just that simple but sadly you gotta mod certain things bjj ground is almost the exact opposite as wrestlng as bjj guys dont care to be on their back vs a wrestler freaks the fuck out trying to turn bellydown and snatch a leg as an example

another example of things being different in mma is the fact so any wrestlers who are toplevel dont use folk style rides to keep guys down from turtle in mma kinda show it too askren is the only one i see modding it

 

[tekkenfan]

As I recall, khabib switched up to a double when Conor crotch locked him, which is one of the options John Smith shows there.
That seems like a winner.

yeah but he did so after he stood back up with it guys like to post to the elbow which prevents it like how guys on a high crotch do it to prevent going off to a barzakar

 

[rmongler]

As I recall, khabib switched up to a double when Conor crotch locked him, which is one of the options John Smith shows there.
That seems like a winner.

I was really into the crackdown after the Maia vs Woodley fight, since i saw it as a natural extension of finishing single legs at the highest levels.

I've taken a somewhat more philosophical view on the matter in the meanwhile; the best way to think of single legs, is like, imagine if your opponent had a long rope tied around his waist dangling around. It's in easy reach, it's the closest thing for you to grab. If he has any good amount of balance though, you're probably not going to make him fall over just by dragging him around.

What you can do though, is pull him closer to you. And then suddenly that grip on the rope turns into a waistlock or bodylock, and now a finish comes into easy reach as well.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Being strong or stronger than your opponent is a huge component in mma grappling. Energy is just a huge factor and being able to be stronger and use less energy/complete techniques is just a reality many guys overlook.

TS, you are saying it doesn’t work but who honestly finishes singles and crackdowns in mma unless they have a huge strength or grappling advantage like khabib. Your average fighter is not going to finish a lot of these wrestling positions without being really tired later. There’s no ‘magic’ technique like bjj...just grit, strength, & repetition.

 

[tekkenfan]

Being strong or stronger than your opponent is a huge component in mma grappling. Energy is just a huge factor and being able to be stronger and use less energy/complete techniques is just a reality many guys overlook.

TS, you are saying it doesn’t work but who honestly finishes singles and crackdowns in mma unless they have a huge strength or grappling advantage like khabib. Your average fighter is not going to finish a lot of these wrestling positions without being really tired later. There’s no ‘magic’ technique like bjj...just grit, strength, & repetition.

i agree been a pro since 2012 and the most grueling part is taking someone down and keeping them down thats why i try to be as technical as possible and make sure my timing is superior to avoid using as much strength

 

[tekkenfan]

I was really into the crackdown after the Maia vs Woodley fight, since i saw it as a natural extension of finishing single legs at the highest levels.

I've taken a somewhat more philosophical view on the matter in the meanwhile; the best way to think of single legs, is like, imagine if your opponent had a long rope tied around his waist dangling around. It's in easy reach, it's the closest thing for you to grab. If he has any good amount of balance though, you're probably not going to make him fall over just by dragging him around unless you are monstrously powerful.

What you can do though, is pull him closer to you. And then suddenly that grip on the rope turns into a waistlock or bodylock, and now a finish comes into easy reach as well.

i agree in i dont prefer finishing of singles cause its the fastest technique tog et to so ill use it to get to the hips mostly

 

[mattemate]

I ain't no rassler, but I'm not awful either. So take it for what you will.

The possible problems I see here are getting crucifixed, giving away wrist control and a possible kimura, a combination of crucifix and wrist control/kimura, or just getting your back taken.

What seems to make most sense to me in this situation would be to get to a leg drag ASAP. Also, less ideal, if you're in danger of getting crucifixed, actually stop trying to pass and get your leg back in the middle. Yeah, you would then be stuck in half guard, but that's a lot better than being crucifixed, and usually better to be on top in half guard than standing, if you're a good passer.

Just my 2 bits.

Opinions-- make sense, or should I shut my non rasslin' face?

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I wouldn't recommend for MMA or BJJ, but I used to love hitting a Peterson roll variation from crackdown when I was in on a single. It was always unexpected. From the top, I liked to give my leg, use a power half, and slowly but surely sprawl out and get behind -- requires a lot of flexibility. Unfortunately most of my fundamental shots wouldn't see the light of day without being sprawled on due to my knee injuries. I eventually gravitated towards my high C to single/double series (I don't have the strength/power for fireman's carry at my weight).

 

[tekkenfan]

i think switching to a cradle is a good finish for mma especially if they try to posture u trying t stuff head cradles are great for mma i feel today as guys dont wana play off their backs today since everyone just tries t bellydown not even caring if their back is exposed