Fighters can still pass USADA testing

[neonbelly***]

Free the juice, imo.

 

[ocfightfan]

The fact that you can hide out and skip at least two drug tests without penalty as long as they can't find you.

The completely counter intuitive hole of the tests being too sensitive and they now have to back off because these substances and their metabolites pollute the environment. So if your microdose is able to ride the line of being at least a little bit effective while being below what they consider effective you can still use.

 

[x__stylez__x]

Yeah if people really believe that there’s no more PEDS in mma , well, I have a cure for covid I can sell you . Just IM me and it’ll only cost you $ 100,000 cause you’re a Fellow sherdogger and I like you .

I can toss in some swamp land too

 

[Iron Nick]

Thinking no one is on PEDs in the UFC is very naive.
On the other hand it's imo just as naive to think everyone is.

 

[GrantB13]

Thinking no one is on PEDs in the UFC is very naive.
On the other hand it's imo just as naive to think everyone is.

Pretty much. It's funny to me when you get the hardcore pro-PED guys trying to belittle you because you think that there are clean guys in the sport. What would be the chances that every single one of the 500+ fighters in the UFC are juicing? If course some do, but there's a handful of people here that like to spin the narrative that fighters don't have any morals. Maybe because they don't themselves and just assume everyone else is a lying, cheating, selfish person as well.

 

[kflo]

The fact that you can hide out and skip at least two drug tests without penalty as long as they can't find you.

The completely counter intuitive hole of the tests being too sensitive and they now have to back off because these substances and their metabolites pollute the environment. So if your microdose is able to ride the line of being at least a little bit effective while being below what they consider effective you can still use.

Are you aware of any substances you can effectively microdose while not triggering an anti-doping violation?

 

[Hannibal Lector]

Are you aware of any substances you can effectively microdose while not triggering an anti-doping violation?

No I don't know any myself. I know you used to be able with testosterone. But apparently cyclist have moved on to testosterone patches, don’t know if that would still work with USADA or not. The whole idea is there is a 7-8 hour time gap during night where you can’t drug test. So you put it on at night for an hour then by the time, it’s morning the test will not go above the 4:1 ratio.... not triggering for a carbon isotope test. But now apparently USADA just gives out random carbon isotope test, instead of even looking at your test/epitestosterone levels. If that’s the case, I don’t know if all the exogenous testosterone metabolites would be out of your system.


And yeah the biggest gap is the two missed test.... you could just cycle test suspension for 2-3 weeks and a good chance you might not even get tested during that time.

 

[vcmmafan]

Not a joke, and better than nothing, but even stricter Olympic level testing still lets many athletes through -- that's why the IOC keeps old blood samples and randomly retests them many years later to catch a lot of people who beat the original tests.

Athletes now have to use a better class of PED's, and more disciplined in following the protocol (including limiting dosage). That is an improvement -- its the equivalent of catching people for going 20 mph over the speed limit, whereas before they only caught people going 50 mph over the speed limit. People still speed, but not to the same extent.

This

 

[ocfightfan]

Are you aware of any substances you can effectively microdose while not triggering an anti-doping violation?

I was not speaking about a specific substance, but of detectable substances that are at levels considered NOT performance enhancing. The idea is that detection methods are so good now that they will pick up false positives for things that were either previous use or that were absorbed inadvertently from environmental contamination.

There are many chemicals that contaminate the food and water supply which may be detected as low levels of known PED metabolites. So they need to set standards of what constitutes a true violation and what does not. What actually enhances performance and what is just a trace that does not confer an unfair advantage.

 

[Mamou]

Why? Because of the dozens of cheaters caught since it's start?

No because there's loopholes in drug testing and they don't catch every cheater.

You've had GSP tell you how to beat USADA.

Jon Jones has failed like 30 drug tests and gets a pass.

TJ Dillashaw was passing tests left and right because they didn't test for EPO.

It's cute though that you think nobody that has passed USADA tests is using or has used in the past, not naive at all...

 

[Mamou]

No, because it only caught dozens instead of hundreds.

5 years later and we're in the dozens... lol

 

[kflo]

5 years later and we're in the dozens... lol

104.....

Don’t worry about facts...

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

no shit...

drug testing will always be behind drug testing evasion and PED innovation. thats how its always been, and thats how it always will be. this is nothing new.

 

[Intellidamus]

Pretty much. It's funny to me when you get the hardcore pro-PED guys trying to belittle you because you think that there are clean guys in the sport. What would be the chances that every single one of the 500+ fighters in the UFC are juicing? If course some do, but there's a handful of people here that like to spin the narrative that fighters don't have any morals. Maybe because they don't themselves and just assume everyone else is a lying, cheating, selfish person as well.

You must be talking about some of the most vocal Silva fans on here..

 

[Mamou]

104.....

Don’t worry about facts...

Hundreds as you stated is plural, as in multiple hundreds being caught. 104 is not 200, which would be multiple hundreds. It's likely not even 100 fighters because multiple fighters have failed multiple tests.

So yes, worry about the facts.

 

[kflo]

Hundreds as you stated is plural, as in multiple hundreds being caught. 104 is not 200, which would be multiple hundreds. It's likely not even 100 fighters because multiple fighters have failed multiple tests.

So yes, worry about the facts.

? You’re confused. I never stated hundreds......

It’s not dozens. It’s not hundreds. I gave the number. You should just move on.....

 

[Mamou]

? You’re confused. I never stated hundreds......

It’s not dozens. It’s not hundreds. I gave the number. You should just move on.....

Ok it wasn't you.

Even so, it's closer to dozens than hundreds. That's 20 fighters per year in close to 200 events.

 

[kflo]

Ok it wasn't you.

Even so, it's closer to dozens than hundreds. That's 20 fighters per year in close to 200 events.

The nba has had about 13 players EVER......

MLB had 7 in 2019.......

The nhl had 5 suspensions total from 2013 through 2018......

 

[Barteh]

USADA might sniff out the people taking extreme amounts, so SADLY no more Ubereems and TRTors, but it's a fairy tale to think people aren't still using PEDs.

 

[Mamou]

The nba has had about 13 players EVER......

MLB had 7 in 2019.......

The nhl had 5 suspensions total from 2013 through 2018......

Lol I'm pretty sure they all govern their own testing, don't know why you'd bring them up when discussing USADA.