Fighters Can Only Improve So Much

[Legendary]

Who are you arguing with?

lol. It is just a common argument against him. Maybe he is just not as gifted as he is with other aspects of his game.

 

[Zebo]

Honestly unless he wants to fade into obscurity, Cody needs to pull a TJ and leave Team Alpha Male.

I think if he went to American Top Team and focused on grappling and some wrestling he could really round out his game. It would make his striking even more effective.

I think Cody's biggest problem with TJ is he is too emotional and starts swinging for the fences with no regard for defense. When he fought Cruz there wasn't that level of emotion involved, and he look great. TJ just mind fucks him and Cody goes full retard.

 

[Vincentsky]

Your saying fighters can’t improve ?

RDA, Halloway, Werdum, Khabib, Robby Lawler, Tyron Woodley would all disagree.

Same thing goes for fighters who crossed over from kickboxing and acquired new skills such as - Cro Cop, Adasanya, Till, Holm, Ovareem, Mark Hunt, etc

 

[MMA4Life]

Dillashaw has constantly gotten better in every facet of his game. Werdum is the perfect example though of a guy who was already a top tier fighter and "old" and then he developed his striking.

 

[mkess101]

Werdum's striking has always been very decent even during days in Strikeforce.

He made Overeem looks like amateurs in his striking department, maybe people just feared his ground game? very underrated heavyweight, he is indeed a very skilled heavyweight.

LOL didn't Overeem win that fight as Werdum kept flopping to his back and begging Overeem to jump into his guard?

 

[Spookv]

Sage and Paige improved as much as they could, I believe you TS.

 

[aerius]

What if Conor starts doing triathlons TS?

What then?

That's a good question.
Depends on whether he can actually complete a triathlon or if he gasses out and drowns in the swim stage.

 

[MescalineDreams]

lol. It is just a common argument against him. Maybe he is just not as gifted as he is with other aspects of his game.

Muay thai / TKD trainers just teach shit boxing Is what It comes down to.

Many of these guys are too deep before they finally decide it needs to be fixed.

 

[MrCoffee]

TS shares his bottled up midlife crisis with Sherdog.

 

[fortheo]

Counter example: Andrei Arlovski. Up until he started training at ATT after the Ngannou fight, he had bunch of bad habits that got him knocked out regularly. He didn't know how to circle out with footwork and always backed himself straight into the fence where he got flurried on and KO'd. Every fight was the same thing, he'd get hit a couple times, lose his composure, then get flattened while backing away in a straight line.

After joining ATT, he fixed his footwork and learned to circle out from the fence. He became a lot more composed under pressure and stopped leaving his chin wide open with his hands down. He hasn't won all his fights but he hasn't been wobbled or knocked out in his last 6 fights despite getting hit with some heavy shots. If he had a better gas tank and threw a bit more he could be on a pretty good streak right now.

I didn't even know that he left jacksons.

 

[goblue]

Werdum's striking has always been very decent even during days in Strikeforce.

He made Overeem looks like amateurs in his striking department, maybe people just feared his ground game? very underrated heavyweight, he is indeed a very skilled heavyweight.

You’ve obviously never seen his Pride fights. Google Nog Werdum 1

 

[aerius]

I didn't even know that he left jacksons.

It is a bit hard to keep track of all the fighters who've left Jackson-Wink in the last year or 2...it would probably be easier to name the fighters who haven't jumped ship...

 

[dipstickjimmy]

If you are familiar enough with the sport, its easy to see mistakes fighters make from the outside. What you dont realize is that they could be totally aware of such deficiency and still not be able to change it. In fact the majority of competitors are kind of stuck with what they have skill wise.

Stop saying Barboza needs to improve his hands, do you honestly think after his multiple year career he doesn't know this? His style and strengths are set in stone. He isnt some 20 year old dude who is going to change his game drastically. Kind of like AJ, he will never change the fact that he fades after the first round.

Brian Ortega will never beat Max on the feet. It is what it is. Maia just sucks at striking and its never gonna change.

Maia outstruck Colby and I believe took a round or two off of Anderson in his Prime. LOL

 

[Rationality]

He gets a lot of crap on here but Michael Bisping unquestionably got better with age IMO. His grappling, striking, defense and footwork all improved. He had a pretty full repertoire by the time he won the belt but he was old and practically blind in one eye.

 

[HHJ]

Imagine if khabib listened to the ts.

 

[Croton]

Henry Cejudo
Robbie Lawler

Improved immensely in their 30's

 

[HHJ]

LOL didn't Overeem win that fight as Werdum kept flopping to his back and begging Overeem to jump into his guard?

Werdum injured his hamstring. Forced to improvise.

 

[dildos]

I think Cody's biggest problem with TJ is he is too emotional and starts swinging for the fences with no regard for defense. When he fought Cruz there wasn't that level of emotion involved, and he look great. TJ just mind fucks him and Cody goes full retard.

as if this stupid looking face wouldnt bamboozle you!

 

[Daniel Craven]

You say Ortega could never beat Holloway on his feet. Is that because Holloway has improved DRASTICALLY since being schooled by Mcgregor?

 

[Iroh]

If you are familiar enough with the sport, its easy to see mistakes fighters make from the outside. What you dont realize is that they could be totally aware of such deficiency and still not be able to change it. In fact the majority of competitors are kind of stuck with what they have skill wise.

Stop saying Barboza needs to improve his hands, do you honestly think after his multiple year career he doesn't know this? His style and strengths are set in stone. He isnt some 20 year old dude who is going to change his game drastically. Kind of like AJ, he will never change the fact that he fades after the first round.

Brian Ortega will never beat Max on the feet. It is what it is. Maia just sucks at striking and its never gonna change.

Of course fighters have their limitations and some fighters aren't improving in areas despite trying, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can't improve. A large part is also that they don't know how to improve. Sometimes you need to have the right coach and/or training partners or maybe even dietician or other professional depending on what your deficiancy is, who you can communicate well with, and understands you and his trade well enough to make the right improvements.

For example, Barboza probably could get a great boxing coach that would improve his hands in boxing terms, but it might be of little help because traditional boxing does not work well with his kicking heavy style. He needs a coach that understands how you can improve hands while not giving up the fundamentals of Barboza's style that has worked for him. Such a coach is not always easy to find and sometimes fighters don't want to change up their coaches or gyms too much and think they can just do it with just adding a traditional boxing coach in addition to their current striking coach. Which is often not the way to go about it.