Fighter pay increase. Why?

[Pharenheit]

UFC should offer the fighters benefits like healthcare and dental but as far as pay I don’t give a shit. It’s always a case of virtue signalers having the loudest voices

 

[jakeharris74]

It's up to them to fight for their pay. My opinion is they are getting shafted, though. Those of us that want to tune in to a Pro version of MMA with the best fighting the best. The way the UFC operates and how they are doing things, they bury the fighters and make it all about the UFC and let top fighters go because they want higher profits. They are banking that all of the yokels will tune in to whatever they slap together just because it has UFC on it. So far, they are absolutely correct. That's my problem with the whole thing. Plus, how many fighters are sitting out due to underhanded contract practices. Fighters are all too often sitting out due to their own negotiations trying to get a fair deal when the UFC isn't purposely sitting them out strong arming them to sign another shitty deal that is just barely better than the competition. (see above, UFC doesnt need the best, just a handful of them and will fill in with scrubs and everybody tunes in anyways).

It's making the sport watered down and fighters don't want to fight as much because they are too busy fighting individually for a decent cut. Yes, they need to figure some shit out and get something together. Until then, the UFC will continue to bury them, let top ones go, fill in with scabs/scrubs, and continue the profit train. This is the best league/promotion our sport has to offer? Lame.

 

[m249viking]

Because they’re pathetic clowns and always super vocal, slurping up daddy Dana in every thread.

“How dare these athletes dare ask to be paid a manageable and fair wage and cut slightly into record profits!?”

Literally no one has that opinion.

 

[WHITEBELT JESUS]

Shut the fuck up dude. Jesus Christ.

The positive would be luring other young athletes into pursuing MMA as a legitimate career.

 

[chaos_36]

The Heavyweight champion with the most consecutive defenses had a part time job, think about that for a second. You didn't see that with Tyson, Ali, Lewis or any like that.

 

[nostradumbass]

Well it's pretty basic. I don't know a single person who makes the same pay every year. Due to inflation, your salary should go up or you should leave your job. So the benefit to MMA would be keeping guys actually wanting to pursue MMA as a "career" and keep new blood interested in participating.

Fighters don't make the same pay every year either. It goes up significantly the longer they've been in the promotion. All of their subsequent contracts are higher than their previous one, to the extent that they fight way less often after a few years in the promotion.

 

[Slapjit]

Glad you thought to make this thread. Lots of people will give you shit for talking about fighter pay, but probably it won't be enough. People have beaten the topic to death so bad that the insults directed at the OP are no longer funny. We needed this thread to show everyone that talking about this shit is annoying and an utter waste of time.

Thank you for your service.

 

[Lee_]

Fuck these fighters. A bunch of dumbshits anyway, so let's give them CTE for peanuts. Too many of them just roll around on the floor and hug anyway. They should be paid less than slapfighters, and sent to Ukraine to be human shields when they stop being entertaining.

Geez man. Critical thinking is a dying concept.

 

[RemyR]

Fuck off Dana

 

[Dana's Moonface]

I don't give a fuck about what these guys make and why should I?

They can be paid millions? Or fight for free? Either way is fine with me

I don't get this obsession you goofs have with fighters pay and white Knighting for them

The more fighters earn? The more they will demand and say goodbye to stacked cards (we already have pretty much), as there will be noway to afford them

You will have a pile of bums fighting and maybe one decent fight other than the headline

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Will the quality of fights become better?

Yes I think they clearly would, MMA moreso than pretty much any other sport depends a lot on investment in talent because its focused on fighters moving from other sports, the more you pay and the earlier you pay the better talent you get.

To be honest I think there is "some" merit to the idea that fighters get what they deserve in the UFC, I don't think its entirely true, fighters do generally deserve more and some fighters who have drawn genuine interest have not gotten much money to show for it. That said I do think there is substance to the idea that the majority of the UFC roster are quite replaceable, the UFC brand and hype machine gets people to watch their fights moreso than they do themselves.

I would flip it around though and say the UFC basically get what they pay for and indeed what they need. I think the UFC's business model is basically to depend on the brand hype to sell most of the fights they promote, they only need a small amount of fighters who people genuinely care about, maybe 3-4 of them for a PPV and a couple to main event TV cards.

You can see why they do it, it makes them a shit load of money BUT it does so by robbing the fans, most of their money goes into the UFC's pockets rather than being invested in the product. I think the end result is that whilst MMA has become far more profitable in the last 15 years its questionable whether its become any better, many divisions such as HW have I think clearly become worse.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

None of these asswipes give a shit about what fighters are paid. Where's the outrage about non UFC fighter pay?

It's virtue signalling.

Non human pay is terrible.

 

[chinarice]

So there has been another thread recently where it was stated how fighters are getting even less pay than in previous year in terms of pay to revenue (or pay to profits). It has caused yet another outburst of criticism of how bad and stingy UFC is and caused more calls for them to address the issue.

But I haven't really seen opinions and arguments on what benefits it gives to the actual fight game. So what are they? How is this going to benefit the fight game and MMA in general if UFC raises the fighter pay? Surely as a person I would be happy for someone getting paid even more for doing a legal and fair work, but as for MMA fan, what would be the interest?

Will the quality of fights become better? Or fighters will become more cautious, afraid to lose, and losing the win bonus? Will the fights become more frequent, especially between elites and championship ones become more frequent? Looking at boxing, it might not be the case .. People are criticizing lack of motion and championship fights in certain divisions already, as is ..

Will it draw better talent to the MMA? How can we be sure? A lot of fans have an opinion that stars of the past were better than the current ones when the pay wasn't anywhere close to the current numbers..

An argument I saw was that Bellator pays around 50% of revenue to fighters .. So what? They still pay less in actual numbers .. This ratio is only a testament that they are inferior as a promotion and as a business to the UFC. How should that press UFC to pay more, if they are paying more than anyone else already (in general)?

Isn't that the lack of demand in general that is problem and had it not been the case, the other promotions would have been able to pay more, and in turn force the UFC to pay more? But right now it is the UFC that is the main driver in the industry and generates new viewers so they might deserve what they are earning (I don't know anyone who first starting watching Bellator, One, PFL, before starting to watch UFC).

Anyways, what could be the objective benefits for us, MMA fans, if UFC raises fighter pay? So far from what I've seen the motive is "because screw Dana and his snow covered driveway" ..

Imagine straight cucking for a guy who beats his wife and feels he should face no repercussions for being a wife beating POS.

Shows what kind of person you are though.

If you or anyone who used their brain for 1 millisecond would know the reason why they deserve more. Only someone who is full potato would go as far as making a thread admitting they don't get it.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Socialism’s finest shill right here.

I am a successful small business owner. I just hate seeing that douchebag Dana blatantly disrespect the fighters he’s underpaying while the company roars to record profit. I think it hurts the sport. I wish it was more merit based, the roster was trimmed down and nobody on a UFC card had to work a part time job to not starve. That last part to me is so amateur and bush league. How many NBA, NHL or MLB players work part time so they don’t starve? None. It’s a joke.

 

[checktheknuckles]

No but soccer kicks, head stomps, and letting the fighters wear their own sponsored gear with their personal sponsor logos attached would. Oh ya also the sponsor banner hanging from the cage during the prefight and less cards. The UFC is shooting themselves in their own foot now.

Now that the UFC has gone public, their duty is for the shareholders not the fighters. So of course they going to fuck the fighters over even more now.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

None of these asswipes give a shit about what fighters are paid. Where's the outrage about non UFC fighter pay?

It's virtue signalling.

On non mma forums, you fucktard. Like literally everywhere

I merely asked for opinions. Will increasing fighter pay benefit MMA in terms of fight quality or frequency? not really expressing my stance here

Maybe there are people who can fight well, but somehow need money in order to live, so they currently make it through non-fighting means.

People just think it is morally unfair and exploitative, which is in a lot of ways it is.

From a business point of view the UFC appear to be ticking all the boxes. People claim the UFC is getting worse, but worse seems to mean more profitable for them.

There is no reason to pay more than when they are the highest paying org in town. They are running the business in the most profitable way while still growing. They clearly have it figured. A lot of people are critical but the numbers don't lie.

Sorta like the currently working strategy of all major companies that are making record profits by doubling the price you pay for things and calling it 'inflation' despite things not actually costing any more to make and pay not going up any more. It is very successful, and will continue to be until we as a society collectively guillotine and consume them, metaphorically speaking

Fighters don't give a shit if you are mediocre at your job and haven't had a raise in 10 years.

People get paid for what they are worth.

Haha, no they fucking don't. They get paid what someone can get away with paying them

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

People say fighter pay should be increased and yet they also so fighters are too inactive. Increased fighter pay is going to lead to further inactivity, especially from the stars who are already fighting about once or twice a year. I'm not taking a stance either way, I'm just highlighting the contradiction.

Not a contradiction, cuz you just made up some rule that A will lead to B.

Literally no one has that opinion.

Stick around the forum some time and actually read it from time to time

 

[Blunderbuss]

Dana, is that you?

 

[Chalky White]

Being a Dana White bootlicker is such a weird existence lol.

 

[Kb7]

None of these asswipes give a shit about what fighters are paid. Where's the outrage about non UFC fighter pay?

It's virtue signalling.

This is the truth, "fans" on here will do everything they can on a online forum to make it seem like they care about fighter pay, when in reality they don't and will do everything they can to not support said fighters, by illegally streaming, shit talking fighters online, minimal purchase of these fighters apparel all because they believe "fighters don't see none it." So they don't see the purpose of it.

It's just a bunch of Dana/UFC haters who are looking to jerk each other off. These same would not keep the same crusade for other people around the world who are actually contributing to society & helping the world go round but paid minimum wage.