Fight ends in 6 seconds through sick flying armbar

[MMA_enthusiast]

Rumina sato was the man,

enjoy sherdoggers,

felt like bringing up some old classics

 

[Leinster Rugby]

 

[Roop Holstry]

He also hit a calf slicer in his mma debut in 1994. Probably the first guy ever to pull off that move in MMA.

He had some flashy submission skills and doesn’t get talked about enough.

He had flying inverted triangle choke too

 

[Danespina]

Andy was already training with Nogueria at this point too, right in the cusp of his prime.

It's really a remarkable win.

 

[Pakman]

Andy was already training with Nogueria at this point too, right in the cusp of his prime.

Anderson obviously got much better over the next few years, it was right before his “prime”.

Also, he had an injured foot. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s been subbed by multiple smaller Japanese fighters in his career, but, he wasn’t in the “cusp” of his prime.

His loss to Takase is way worse though. At least Ryo Chonan had some other decent wins, made his way over to the UFC etc. Daiju was a journeyman at best.

 

[Danespina]

Rumina sato was the man,

enjoy sherdoggers,

felt like bringing up some old classics

Reminds me of Rose Namajunas.

 

[tasticles]

Andy was already training with Nogueria at this point too, right in the cusp of his prime.

It's really a remarkable win.

Yeah I don't think this was legit.

 

[Danespina]

Anderson obviously got much better over the next few years, it was right before his “prime”.

Also, he had an injured foot. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s been subbed by multiple smaller Japanese fighters in his career, but, he wasn’t in the “cusp” of his prime.

His loss to Takase is way worse though. At least Ryo Chonan had some other decent wins, made his way over to the UFC etc. Daiju was a journeyman at best.

I'd say Andy's best years started with Lee Murray in 2004 and ended with Okami in 2011. Fight to fight that's 7 years.

Can narrow the timeframe a bit, but the uppercut elbow and flawless UFC debut were shortly after the Chonan sub. That's all apart of his most skilled period imo when he joined with Nog. Takase was before that.

 

[Ryan G]

Rumina Sato is still my all time favorite fighter.

 

[Pakman]

I'd say Andy's best years started with Lee Murray in 2004 and ended with Okami in 2011. Fight to fight that's 7 years.

Can narrow the timeframe a bit, but the uppercut elbow and flawless UFC debut were shortly after the Chonan sub. That's all apart of his most skilled period imo when he joined with Nog. Takase was before that.

I tend to think it started after the Chonan fight. I think Jorge Rivera was the next one? Which was like 4-5 months after the loss to Ryo. I think that was the fight that he started this unbelievable climb to the top of the sport. He went from being simply a really talented guy to being the best, while being an incredible showman at the same time.

Either way not knocking him or any of the other guys, just think he hit his stride after that fight. I think that fight sparked something in him and he went on a tear after.

 

[Danespina]

I tend to think it started after the Chonan fight. I think Jorge Rivera was the next one? Which was like 4-5 months after the loss to Ryo.

To me it looked like Andy had the spark in the Murray bout already.

But I mean were talking a 4-5 month difference so either way it's close enough. That's the general timeframe though and Chonan deserves credit.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

Anderson obviously got much better over the next few years, it was right before his “prime”.

Also, he had an injured foot. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s been subbed by multiple smaller Japanese fighters in his career, but, he wasn’t in the “cusp” of his prime.

His loss to Takase is way worse though. At least Ryo Chonan had some other decent wins, made his way over to the UFC etc. Daiju was a journeyman at best.

I recall people at the time saying he was fighting with a damaged ankle, not sure if it was excuses or not, but it would explain the instant tap

 

[gono btw]

Anderson obviously got much better over the next few years, it was right before his “prime”.

Also, he had an injured foot. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s been subbed by multiple smaller Japanese fighters in his career, but, he wasn’t in the “cusp” of his prime.

His loss to Takase is way worse though. At least Ryo Chonan had some other decent wins, made his way over to the UFC etc. Daiju was a journeyman at best.

Takase was and is still underrated. He schooled Spider, but also beat Ronin, another ATG.

MMA fans have to stop judging a fighter by his wiki record, without checking the context.

Unfortunately, most of the losses he had were against much bigger opponents, and ridiculous matchups, like vs Horn (!?!) in the UFC...painful to watch. Such mismatches were common for smaller dudes back in the days. They had no market.

Takase, like Chonan, was skilled and he proved it against Spider.

Remember: Pride´s commentators like Bas were all about hyping Spider´s ground game at that time, saying it was the best at Chuteboxe (obviously,that was somehow inaccurate since a guy like Assuerio Silva was clearly better)

 

[JohnMandick]

Takase was and is still underrated. He schooled Spider, but also beat Ronin, another ATG.

MMA fans have to stop judging a fighter by his wiki record, without checking the context.

Unfortunately, most of the losses he had were against much bigger opponents, and ridiculous matchups, like vs Horn (!?!) in the UFC...painful to watch. Such mismatches were common for smaller dudes back in the days. They had no market.

Takase, like Chonan, was skilled and he proved it against Spider.

Remember: Pride´s commentators like Bas were all about hyping Spider´s ground game at that time, saying it was the best at Chuteboxe (obviously,that was somehow inaccurate since a guy like Assuerio Silva was clearly better)

100%

 

[Pakman]

Takase was and is still underrated. He schooled Spider, but also beat Ronin, another ATG.

MMA fans have to stop judging a fighter by his wiki record, without checking the context.

Unfortunately, most of the losses he had were against much bigger opponents, and ridiculous matchups, like vs Horn (!?!) in the UFC...painful to watch. Such mismatches were common for smaller dudes back in the days. They had no market.

Takase, like Chonan, was skilled and he proved it against Spider.

Remember: Pride´s commentators like Bas were all about hyping Spider´s ground game at that time, saying it was the best at Chuteboxe (obviously,that was somehow inaccurate since a guy like Assuerio Silva was clearly better)

Daiju isn’t underrated. He’s a journeyman. He had a couple decent wins in his career but lost a lot of fights Vs fighters who were above the journeyman level. Honestly, his win over Carlos was whatever (was a split decision iirc), the finish over Anderson was nice. But aside from that, he never did anything in his career. He was given chances to shine, just never materialized. He was skilled on the ground but that’s about it really, he wasn’t very good in the striking dept.

Anderson has always been very good at avoiding big damage on the ground so maybe they meant something along those lines.

 

[gono btw]

Daiju isn’t underrated. He’s a journeyman. He had a couple decent wins in his career but lost a lot of fights Vs fighters who were above the journeyman level. Honestly, his win over Carlos was whatever (was a split decision iirc), the finish over Anderson was nice. But aside from that, he never did anything in his career. He was given chances to shine, just never materialized. He was skilled on the ground but that’s about it really, he wasn’t very good in the striking dept.

Anderson has always been very good at avoiding big damage on the ground so maybe they meant something along those lines.

nah,have to disagree.

He was not " given chances to shine,", as u said...

These losses u´re talkin about were btw him, a LW, and dudes like Horn (LHW) & Marquardt (MW), for instance.

Put any ATG (not named SAKU GOAT) against someone 2 or 3 weight classes above, and lets see what happens.

U have to analyze wins & losses AND their context. Otherwise, doesnt make sense.

BTW, The finish over Spider was more than nice,it was slick,a very smooth transition from a straight armbar to a triangle choke. Definitely not something a "can" or a "journeyman" would be able to do.

 

[Pakman]

nah,have to disagree.

He was not " given chances to shine,", as u said...

These losses u´re talkin about were btw him, a LW, and dudes like Horn (LHW) & Marquardt (MW), for instance.

Put any ATG (not named SAKU GOAT) against someone 2 or 3 weight classes above, and lets see what happens.

U have to analyze wins & losses AND their context. Otherwise, doesnt make sense.

BTW, The finish over Spider was more than nice,it was slick,a very smooth transition from a straight armbar to a triangle choke. Definitely not something a "can" or a "journeyman" woulld be able to do.

Journeymen still can finish a fight.

And how was he not given a chance to shine? After his fight vs Anderson, he got to face Rodrigo Gracie and then Sakurai.

Also, Royce was several weight classes below guys like Shammy or Severn and won. So your point has been refuted right there bud.

I get it man, you’re a pride nuthugger through and through. So am I. But to suggest a guy who is fucking 12-15 is anything more than a journeyman, who has literally 2 good wins in his career (1 by split decision fwiw), is somehow underrated and an ATG (you use that word a lot, even for Newton, which is sort of laughable) is just pure bullshit.

Like I said, he had a solid ground game, that’s why he got the finish vs Anderson, but it wasn’t a flawless fight for him or a complete decimation of Anderson. He pulled off a slick submission, kudos for that, but that was the peak of his career. And maybe the only part of his career that shines. Aside from the fight vs Emmanuel Yarborough.

There’s a difference between being a nuthugger and being a troll and your hatred for any western MMA and love for JMMA sort of pushes you to the latter.

 

[gono btw]

Journeymen still can finish a fight.

And how was he not given a chance to shine? After his fight vs Anderson, he got to face Rodrigo Gracie and then Sakurai.

Also, Royce was several weight classes below guys like Shammy or Severn and won. So your point has been refuted right there bud.

I get it man, you’re a pride nuthugger through and through. So am I. But to suggest a guy who is fucking 12-15 is anything more than a journeyman, who has literally 2 good wins in his career (1 by split decision fwiw), is somehow underrated and an ATG (you use that word a lot, even for Newton, which is sort of laughable) is just pure bullshit.

Like I said, he had a solid ground game, that’s why he got the finish vs Anderson, but it wasn’t a flawless fight for him or a complete decimation of Anderson. He pulled off a slick submission, kudos for that, but that was the peak of his career. And maybe the only part of his career that shines. Aside from the fight vs Emmanuel Yarborough.

There’s a difference between being a nuthugger and being a troll and your hatred for any western MMA and love for JMMA sort of pushes you to the latter.

Hoyce... U refuted nuthin, mate. Hoyce is a legit HOFer, who did this in the early 1990s.

Takase fought in an era when the smaller dudes had no market, MMA org were slowly creating this market.

You said again:

"he got to face Rodrigo Gracie"... again...wiki knowledge. Rodrigo was a MW (he even competed as a LHW!)...

See? This is called assessing wins and losses through their context.

U keep bringing this "Pride nuthugging" in whatever debate. Jus´chill and try to discuss without lazy arguments.

This has nuthin to do with Pride or UFC.
Must be the 5th fime u bring this out and it´s really borderline ridiculous.

This kind of argument:

"But to suggest a guy who is fucking 12-15 is anything more than a journeyman"

is a wiki argument, and it only badly exposes u,Im afraid...

This is about assessing a fighter´s career beyond the mere clicking on his wiki page.

Unfortunately, your knowledge apparently doesnt go beyong these wiki pages, and you´re getting caricatural.

 

[Pakman]

Hoyce... U refuted nuthin, mate. Hoyce is a legit HOFer, who did this in the early 1990s.

Takase fought in an era when the smaller dudes had no market, MMA org were slowly creating this market.

You said again:

"he got to face Rodrigo Gracie"... again...wiki knowledge. Rodrigo was a MW (he even competed as a LHW!)...

See? This is called assessing wins and losses through their context.

U keep bringing this "Pride nuthugging" in whatever debate. Jus´chill and try to discuss without lazy arguments.

This has nuthin to do with Pride or UFC.
Must be the 5th fime u bring this out and it´s really borderline ridiculous.

This kind of argument:

"But to suggest a guy who is fucking 12-15 is anything more than a journeyman"

is a wiki argument, and it only badly exposes u,Im afraid...

This is about assessing a fighter´s career beyond the mere clicking on his wiki page.

Unfortunately, your knowledge apparently doesnt go beyong these wiki pages, and you´re getting caricatural.

It’s funny you try to bash me about having knowledge only based on wiki when on your previous account, you praised me for having knowledge of JMMA. And you’ve pm’d me on this account telling me to ‘chillll’ and not get after you when you made another ridiculous comment such as you are in this thread.

It badly exposes me? To call a guy who had 2 good wins in his career, while having a losing record overall, what he was, a journeyman. He’s not underrated, he’s rated as he should be, a journeyman. Even in the post TUF era of MMA, when smaller fighters had already had established divisions for some years, he continued to lose.

Sure, he took on guys like Hector and lost. Def a naturally smaller guy than him. But what about the rest? all of his 15 losses are because he was smaller?

And yes, your bias against the UFC and towards JMMA is shown in almost every one of your posts. Like I said man, I get it, I thought Pride was the shit too. I can almost guarantee you that I’m a much bigger Pride and JMMA fan than you. That still doesn’t blind me enough to suggest that DAIJU FUCKING TAKASE is anything more than a journeyman.

If you want to talk about JMMA fighters who are actually underrated in MMA history, talk about guys like Sakurai. But to suggest that Daiju is some sort of beast who only lost because of size shows how little you actually watch the sport, bro.

 

[gono btw]

It’s funny you try to bash me about having knowledge only based on wiki when on your previous account, you praised me for having knowledge of JMMA. And you’ve pm’d me on this account telling me to ‘chillll’ and not get after you when you made another ridiculous comment such as you are in this thread.

It badly exposes me? To call a guy who had 2 good wins in his career, while having a losing record overall, what he was, a journeyman. He’s not underrated, he’s rated as he should be, a journeyman. Even in the post TUF era of MMA, when smaller fighters had already had established divisions for some years, he continued to lose.

Sure, he took on guys like Hector and lost. Def a naturally smaller guy than him. But what about the rest? all of his 15 losses are because he was smaller?

And yes, your bias against the UFC and towards JMMA is shown in almost every one of your posts. Like I said man, I get it, I thought Pride was the shit too. I can almost guarantee you that I’m a much bigger Pride and JMMA fan than you. That still doesn’t blind me enough to suggest that DAIJU FUCKING TAKASE is anything more than a journeyman.

If you want to talk about JMMA fighters who are actually underrated in MMA history, talk about guys like Sakurai. But to suggest that Daiju is some sort of beast who only lost because of size shows how little you actually watch the sport, bro.

hmmm..not bashin´, but every debate is the same story with ya..

I get it, u´re a vet from these UFC vs Pride wars, but guess what? I dont give a fook about ur vendetta.

I didnt even know this forum b4 last year. So stop with ur BS.

This has nuthin to do with this BS, but..every time u come back and spit the very same blablabla about UFC Pride nuthuggin, JMMA.

It´s getting boring.

I see no substance in your posts. Sorry.

Indeed, PAwikiMan.