Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[Yellowcrab]

If he wasn't drug tested, then neither were his opponents. UFC had guys like Brock Lesnar, Lavar Johnson, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Ubereem, Vitor Belfort and the likes, and you are over here worried about PRIDE's testing???

UFC is with USADA since 2015, so your argument is pointless.

And without drug testing is far more unfair than with drug testing.

So Fedor competed in the most unfair organization, because with money and the best drugs a fighter will be extremely advantaged.

And you forgot the fixed fights : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-fixed-pod-w-goodridge-jouban-means.2957281/

Weak competition? That was literally the golden era of Heavyweights.

Yeah weak competition, hence why Fedor had a lot of freak fights.

Plenty of greats have lost to other greats who were just slightly smaller. You must think Rashad Evans really sucks for losing to Dan Kelly. You must think GSP really sucks for losing to Serra. At least Fedor lost to Dan Hendo, who is a top 5 P4P fighter of all time and a top 5 P4P puncher of all time.

You missed the point, i repeat : not a single great fighter ever lost against an old MW.

Name a single renowned fighter who ever lost in such conditions :

- A smaller fighter coming from a lower weight class
- A much older fighter
- A fighter that is not supposed to fight anymore due to his advanced age

You will never find a renowned fighter with a loss that meets these 3 criteria at the same time.

Someone gave the name of Tim Sylvia, but he never was a great fighter and only won a title against an interim champion (Arlovski) because Frank Mir was injured (and he lost against Frank Mir).

Nobody considers Tim Syvia as a great fighter, nobody.

 

[Fioretti]

I think that speaks way more about the state of the UFC heavyweight division. JDS had clearly regressed from his glory days. JDS was not the same fighter after getting destroyed by Cain the last time, going to war with Miocic and then getting TKO'ed by Overeem. All of this happened around late 2013 to 2015.

Sure, he was able to remain in the top 10 for a few years after that by finishing Derrick Lewis and Tai Tuivasa (which are good wins but is just more evidence that the new generation is weaker than the old generation) and had a decision win over Ivanov (who is not an easy man to beat but he also had "mileage" and physical limitations from being stabbed).


JDS and Cain definitely fell off around the same age as Fedor. They also had far less fights than Fedor. Fedor really didn't even lose until around 35 fights! He had a long prime. He was already world champ at 25 or 26 I think and then stayed on top for another 7 years. Incredible longevity

Less than 30% of Fedro's first 32 fights were against top 10 guys. Cain and JDS weren't falling off and old at 33. They faced each other 3 fucking times because they were the 2 best. Fuckin hell.

 

[The Last King]

My man @Typrune Goatley slapping these clowns up. I love it.

 

[Yellowcrab]

- A smaller fighter coming from a lower weight class

His lowest division was WW

Name a single renowned fighter who ever lost in such conditions :

- A smaller fighter coming from a lower weight class
- A much older fighter
- A fighter that is not supposed to fight anymore due to his advanced age

You will never find a renowned fighter with a loss that meets these 3 criteria at the same time.

Not a single guy in this list meets these criteria... not to mention by TKO in the first round...

But it's just an example in boxing, it's true as well in MMA or kickboxing.

But even outside of such a list, you will never find a respected name having such an embarrassing loss...

For instance, Mike Tyson never had such an embarrassing loss in his whole career, despite the jail and everything else

 

[The Last King]

His lowest division was WW

Not a single guy in this list meets these criteria.

But it's just an example in boxing, it's true as well in MMA or kickboxing.

But even outside of such a list, you will never find a respected name having such an embarrassing loss...

For instance, Mike Tyson never had such an embarrassing loss in his whole career, despite the jail and everything else

Lol you're desperate and thirsty. Typical couch dwelling shill behavior.

Fedor was a tiny HW. He literally looks smaller than some Welter weights in pictures side by side. He's smaller than most top LHWs on fight night.

Claiming his loss to Hendo was "embarrassing" is wild considering Hendo is an all time great and beat the fuck out of Shogun after beating Fedor and then got a title shot agaisnt Jon Jones after that.

If he was some small, MW who sucked then why would he get a LHW title shot in the UFC?

Clowns like you are so desperate you can't even see that you're indirectly shitting on Hendo and the UFC LHW division while trying to diminish Fedor. Bizarre basement dwelling behavior.

 

[The Last King]

Less than 30% of Fedro's first 32 fights were against top 10 guys. Cain and JDS weren't falling off and old at 33. They faced each other 3 fucking times because they were the 2 best. Fuckin hell.

JDS is 3-5 since turning 33 with 5 losses by KO.

Cain is 1-2 since turning 33. 3 fights in 7 years and now retired.

According to you both guys are still in their "prime"

You see how pathetic and desperate you are lol? All this to discredit Fedor lol. Shameless thirsty shill. Bizarre weirdo behavior.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Fedor was a tiny HW. He literally looks smaller than some Welter weights in pictures side by side. He's smaller than most top LHWs on fight night.

So his size was already a problem against Henderson but would be perfectly fine against Ngannou, right ?

Claiming his loss to Hendo was "embarrassing" is wild considering Hendo is an all time great and beat the fuck out of Shogun after beating Fedor and then got a title shot agaisnt Jon Jones after that.

When a fighter was a HW during his whole career, losing against someone who fought in WW is already highly questionable.

I mean, today, nobody would think someone who fought in the WW division would ever have a chance against Ngannou.

But that's not the whole story. What's not acceptable is losing :

- against a grandpa MW while Fedor was much younger (MW = where Henderson did most of his career)
- losing by tko in the first round

It's so embarrassing that Fedor fanboys have to find pathetic excuses such as TRT

 

[Raptors2019]

You forgot the opportunities and challenges to complete the SWOC analysis

 

[BFoe]

UFC is with USADA since 2015, so your argument is pointless.

And without drug testing is far more unfair than with drug testing.

So Fedor competed in the most unfair organization, because with money and the best drugs a fighter will be extremely advantaged.

And you forgot the fixed fights : https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-fixed-pod-w-goodridge-jouban-means.2957281/



Yeah weak competition, hence why Fedor had a lot of freak fights.



You missed the point, i repeat : not a single great fighter ever lost against an old MW.

Name a single renowned fighter who ever lost in such conditions :

- A smaller fighter coming from a lower weight class
- A much older fighter
- A fighter that is not supposed to fight anymore due to his advanced age

You will never find a renowned fighter with a loss that meets these 3 criteria at the same time.

Someone gave the name of Tim Sylvia, but he never was a great fighter and only won a title against an interim champion (Arlovski) because Frank Mir was injured (and he lost against Frank Mir).

Nobody considers Tim Syvia as a great fighter, nobody.

I named Tim Sylvia. I have no idea what you’re smoking, but Sylvia is actually a 2-time UFC Undisputed (not interim) champion, who set a record for consecutive title defenses at the time.
Sylvia is absolutely a great fighter. Your silly challenge was met easily. And as I mentioned, setting criteria like “shouldn’t fight anymore due to advanced age” is straight wrong. Ol TRT Henson had just won the Strikeforce LHW belt in his previous fight before Fedor, and had his legendary war with Shogun in the fight right after. No one was calling on hendo to retire at that time.

You believe this silly shit to troll, or because you don’t want to learn. We’ve had this debate multiple times, and I’ve surgically eviscerated every terrible argument you make, every time.

 

[Yellowcrab]

I named Tim Sylvia. I have no idea what you’re smoking, but Sylvia is actually a 2-time UFC Undisputed (not interim) champion, who set a record for consecutive title defenses at the time.

Nobody considers him as a great fighter... even without USADA, he lost his first title due to doping : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Sylvia#Controversy

He won his only legid title against an interim champion : Arlovski.

He lost against the true champion : Frank Mir.

Also he got his first title shot after one fight... his second one after 2 fights in the UFC.

Tim Sylvia is an average fighter who lost against an old Ray Mercer.

But feel free to claim he's a great fighter, almost everybody will laugh at you

Ol TRT Henson had just won the Strikeforce LHW belt in his previous fight before Fedor, and had his legendary war with Shogun in the fight right after. No one was calling on hendo to retire at that time.

I don't care he was a grandpa.

Also, you have absolutely no evidence he ever abused TRT.

You're under TRT when you have a legid medical condition called : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogonadism

 

[SHAOLINMONK420]

the idea of defending rogers when cuz he koed aa when he was going on a slump i think he even signed with pro elite during his slump lol

 

[Yellowcrab]

Oh and i forgot to mention that Fedor beat juiced beasts in Japan but lost against a GRANDPA due to TRT

 

[BFoe]

Nobody considers him as a great fighter... even without USADA, he lost his first title due to doping : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Sylvia#Controversy

He won his only legid title against an interim champion : Arlovski.

He lost against the true champion : Frank Mir.

Also he got his first title shot after one fight... his second one after 2 fights in the UFC.

Tim Sylvia is an average fighter who lost against an old Ray Mercer.

But feel free to claim he's a great fighter, almost everybody will laugh at you



I don't care he was a grandpa.

Also, you have absolutely no evidence he ever abused TRT.

You're under TRT when you have a legid medical condition called : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogonadism

Lol @ Only legit title. Sylvia won his first UFC title by beating Ricco Rodriguez, who had won it by beating Couture.
Keep finding creative ways to tell me you don’t know much about MMA, I enjoy it.

 

[The Last King]

So his size was already a problem against Henderson but would be perfectly fine against Ngannou,

No one is saying Strikeforce Fedor would beat Ngannou you dishonest, shameless shill. Fedor lost multiple times during that period. That's what happens during a decline, fighters don't perform well and lose.

That doesn't mean Hendo is some "grandpa MW" You're just spinning it this way to make Fedor look bad. Hendo knocked out LHW Babalu who had just beat Lawler, knocked out LHW champion Feijao who had just knocked out King Mo and Romero, and then knocked out Fedor and after that beat the hell out of Shogun and was given a title shot for the UFC LHW belt against Jon Jones. "Some MW grandpa"

You display the type of toxic internet geek behavior which is common among saturated fat guzzling couch dwellers who have never been with a woman and never accomplished anything. Keep embarrassing yourself, desperate shillish clown.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Lol @ Only legit title. Sylvia won his first UFC title by beating Ricco Rodriguez, who had won it by beating Couture.
Keep finding creative ways to tell me you don’t know much about MMA, I enjoy it.

There's a doping asterix on his first title (that he got after only fight in the UFC once again).

Also, Randy Couture started his career as a HW and THEN went down to the LHW division, so it's not even comparable to Dan Henderson who started his career as a MW.

But anyway, since we disagree on Tim Sylvia, obviously you will have plenty of other examples (and i mean no matter the fighting sport) ?

 

[Yellowcrab]

No one is saying Strikeforce Fedor would beat Ngannou you dishonest, shameless shill. Fedor lost multiple times during that period. That's what happens during a decline, fighters don't perform well and lose.

Strikeforce Fedor ? What does it mean since he lost against a grandpa much older than him anyway ?

The Strikeforce Fedor excuse could only work if he had lost against younger guys, but that's not the case

You display the type of toxic internet geek behavior which is common among saturated fat guzzling couch dwellers who have never been with a woman and never accomplished anything. Keep embarrassing yourself, desperate shillish clown.

 

[The Last King]

Strikeforce Fedor ? What does it mean since he lost against a grandpa much older than him anyway ?

The Strikeforce Fedor excuse could only work if he had lost against younger guys, but that's not the case

Yes, strikeforce Fedor who had lost 3 in a row- meaning he was declining. A fighter who wins for 10 years without losing and then loses 3 in a row is on the DECLINE.

And if Hendo was some "MW grandpa" how did he get LHW title shot in the UFC after knocking out 3 LHWs and HW Fedor?

UFC must have had so much talent to give MW grandpa Hendo a title shot against Jones.

You have been a great punching bag. Light work. It's been fun slapping you up. Shameless little shill.

 

[MartinGibson86]

You mean the guy with more top 10 wins than any other HW in MMA history?

Yes, strikeforce Fedor who had lost 3 in a row- meaning he was declining. A fighter who wins for 10 years without losing and then loses 3 in a row is on the DECLINE.

And if Hendo was some "MW grandpa" how did he get LHW title shot in the UFC after knocking out 3 LHWs and HW Fedor?

UFC must have had so much talent to give MW grandpa Hendo a title shot against Jones.

You have been a great punching bag. Light work. It's been fun slapping you up. Shameless little shill.

Ho hum...

Hendo was dominated by Jake Shields before flatlining Fedor


DC bodyslammed Hendo...



Have fun living in that fantasy world where Hendo is competitive with Francis, Stipe, Blaydes, or Gane


Hendo lost to Kazuo Misaki...arguablt lost to Bustamante, Rich Franklin, and Carlos Newton

 

[MartinGibson86]

A man who had previously lost badly to Jake Shields, is 6 years older, and was 16 pounds lighter is being deemed an acceptable loss for a man who would compete with Blaydes, Francis, Stipe, or Gane



Ok nerds lol

 

[MartinGibson86]

Yes, strikeforce Fedor who had lost 3 in a row- meaning he was declining. A fighter who wins for 10 years without losing and then loses 3 in a row is on the DECLINE.

And if Hendo was some "MW grandpa" how did he get LHW title shot in the UFC after knocking out 3 LHWs and HW Fedor?

UFC must have had so much talent to give MW grandpa Hendo a title shot against Jones.

You have been a great punching bag. Light work. It's been fun slapping you up. Shameless little shill.

Yes

Hendo was a great MW/LHW... he had wars with shot Shogun, SDs over Rashad and Machida...disputed decisions with Franklin...KO loss to Vitor etc...one sided loss to Shields

Literallt bodyslammed by DC

Yet iced a guy in the first round who you think could beat Francis lmao