Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

[Hellowhosthat]

It’s almost 2023 and the three biggest active threads in the Heavies belong to Fedor, Santa and BWR. The three GOATs.

BWR > Santa > Fedor though.

 

[Sweater of AV]

BWR > Santa > Fedor though.

Agreed but BWR >>>>>>>> Santa > Fedor imho.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Agreed but BWR >>>>>>>> Santa > Fedor imho.

 

[jx820]

Yuji Shimada the legendary Pride FC ref whos refereed hundreds of fights said Fedor was not only the fastest HW hes ever seen but the fastest fighter hes ever seen.

Yuji is shining him up. Fedor was not faster than the lower weights.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yuji is shining him up. Fedor was not faster than the lower weights.

He possibly looked faster, if you're in the cage with someone slower than you it will do that. Tom Aspinall looks really fast at HW but he's going to be slower than every flyweight on the roster, but the perception is still there that he might be faster than some because he looks incredibly fast compared to his opponents.

 

[BFoe]

I’m glad my post was a revelation to you

It certainly reveals….something <45>

This post

The way he stuffed Stipe’s TD and transitioned to take his back was rudimentary to you? Lol, he looked like Yoel Romero doing that

Is likewise “revealing.”

I have literally shown you, with instructional GIFs, why Stipe’s TD attempt was poor. Kudos to Francis for responding appropriately, but yes—it’s single leg TDD 101. Stipe made a serious and basic error.

Why doesn’t anyone talk about what happened next? Did Francis stifle him with Khabib-like top control? Fuck no, he had :22 seconds of control time in that fight. Stipe immediately got back to his feet, wherupon Francis tried to take him down.
It was not Yoel Romero-like.

Stipe swatted him away easily.

 

[Fioretti]

In that particular sport yes.

That's not what physical prime means. Muscle strength doesn't peak until 25. Gymnasts at 20-21 aren't in their physical prime.

Of course they are. There’s no absolute concept of physical prime. It depends on various things, especially the nature of the activity.

We already went over this in that thread where I embarrassed you. It’s humorous you’re still struggling like a child though. Grow up kiddo, you’ve got a lot to learn.

Says the child who went full retard patty cake when the physiological science of muscle fiber and bone deterioration due to age proved every point you attempted to make wrong.

Personal best does not equate to physical prime.

Yes, that's what the word means. If they weren't gymnasts, their prime would most likely come later due to the wear and tear that gymnastics put on your body. The timing of your physical prime is completely dependant on what you do with and to your body. If you start doing meth at 18, you probably won't peak any higher after that, making 18 your prime year.

For the average Joe though, It's probably somewhere around 30-35, when the "old man strength" starts to kick in but you're still relatively youthful in your body.

27-35 is physical prime for males.

So Francis is past his prime now despite him fighting and performing better than ever? If so, then perhaps being in one’s absolute prime or, more importantly, being out of it, is not necessarily such a big deal.

Francis hasn't fought since he turned 36. So the last few fights we've seen from him, he was in his physical prime. Athletes can combat, prevent, and even reverse the effects of aging (up to 20 years) with regular exercise. I believe fighters, including Fedro, mostly qualify. Correct, being in or out of your physical prime isn't the end all be all determining factor in whether or not a fighter wins a fight. That's literally the whole point of arguing with these fanatical and defiant kids trying to deny science.

They say Fedro was out of prime at 33, and that's why he lost 3 in a row. I find it hilarious that they use gymnasts as an example, citing a young age for peak performance, to prove this. The age for peak performance in MMA is 31-33. The average age of current UFC champions is 33+. Let's ignore the fact that he's fought, and had success, into his mid 40s.

Weird.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Romanov should move to LHW. It is possible though he could get better at dealing with HWs. Fedor arguably should of lost to Arona who is a career LHW. So yeah. Romanov is not a heavy or big HW anymore he lost all his fat and is 238lbs now and is still a tad chubby. If he cut the fat he would surely be 225lb or 230lbs and could make LHW. Alternatively he could stay his current size or shed fat and gain muscle and be a stout solid 235lb to 240lb HW. Though personally I do not think he will do well at HW compared to LHW. At LHW there is a grappling deficit which could play to his advantage.


Well regarsing Fedor I cannot change your mind. You are a Fedoe superfan so yeah I think he was great but in my opinion prime Fedor always losses to Prime Stipe, Ngannou, Werdum and 50/50 with Ubereem due to Ubereerms weak chin, and poor fight IQ. I see Fedor always beating Lesnar, Couture, Mir, DC, Lewis types but a Carwin or JDS have punchers chance and would not be easy to takedown. I also see Fedor beating Cain. To me styles make fights and JDS is actuslly a harder fight for Fedor than Cain despite the fact Cain avenged his loss to JDS with 2 dominant performances. I feel Cain pulled that off due to the wrestling threat of advantage and takedown based off Cains style and cardio pace where as Fedor is more clinch based takedowns and is still smaller than Cain and less heavy so Fedor would not present the same challenge to JDS in the clinch department from a strength and mass perspective. However what makes Fedoe more dangerous to JDS than Cain is Fedors precision and KO power, Cain is more of a volume striker with more precision compared to Fedor. Also the best of Fedors highlight reels seem to come when he counter standing or has an opponent on the floor.

Fedor always beating DC??


They woulda fought had Fwdor not been violated by the same Bigfoot whi DC toyed with.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Gane's talented but when he had his chance, he held back IMO. Prime Fedor didn't hold back. He was a killer. Khabib level grappling with almost Tyson like hands, plus the Judo/Sambo throws, which are lethal also because they sap the strength of the opponent.

Fedor isn't close to the grappler of Khabib.


He gave up the most basic single-leg/slide by to Hendo before the KO

 

[MartinGibson86]

It certainly reveals….something <45>

This post

Is likewise “revealing.”

I have literally shown you, with instructional GIFs, why Stipe’s TD attempt was poor. Kudos to Francis for responding appropriately, but yes—it’s single leg TDD 101. Stipe made a serious and basic error.

Why doesn’t anyone talk about what happened next? Did Francis stifle him with Khabib-like top control? Fuck no, he had :22 seconds of control time in that fight. Stipe immediately got back to his feet, wherupon Francis tried to take him down.
It was not Yoel Romero-like.

Stipe swatted him away easily.

You know what wasn't Romero-like???


When Romero got taken down and mounted by Brunson.

Stipe was a D1 wrestler ffs.

 

[Westbrick]

The only one i'd put close to prime Fedor was prime Aldo if he had a better coach.

 

[yekmurat]

thats why he is goat

 

[HHJ]

The only one i'd put close to prime Fedor was prime Aldo if he had a better coach.

What is your issue with Aldo's coaching?

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

He'd probably get knocked out by some huge current HW with far less skill.

Hot balls has FAR less skill, but it's unfortunate his fat power would just need to touch clean a couple of times.

Fedor may be the most skilled HW, though.

 

[BFoe]

Fedor isn't close to the grappler of Khabib.


He gave up the most basic single-leg/slide by to Hendo before the KO

Huge if true.

Khabib:


Fedor:

You know what wasn't Romero-like???


When Romero got taken down and mounted by Brunson.

Stipe was a D1 wrestler ffs.

Sorry, say again? What point are you trying to make here?

 

[Sweater of AV]

Says the child who went full retard patty cake when the physiological science of muscle fiber and bone deterioration due to age proved every point you attempted to make wrong.

Personal best does not equate to physical prime.

Pull the thread up so we can have a laugh at you little one.

The fact you’re still struggling with the fact that “prime” is not an absolute concept is hilarious. When does speed peak? How about flexibility?

When does reaction time peak?



Florini bless. You are the can of cans. That’s really the only absolute in the universe.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Huge if true.

Khabib:
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Fedor:
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Sorry, say again? What point are you trying to make here?

Awesome


Again...



Fedor gave up the most basic single-leg/slide by to a 40 year old MW immediately before getting ko'd.

and

Got Mounted and besmirched by Bigfoot.

and

Thrown onto his head by Randleman.

and


Used ropes to avoid being taken down by MW Lindland.

and

Easily taken down and gave up back to Coleman.

Khabib-esque.

 

[Fioretti]

Pull the thread up so we can have a laugh at you little one.

The fact you’re still struggling with the fact that “prime” is not an absolute concept is hilarious. When does speed peak? How about flexibility?

When does reaction time peak?



Florini bless. You are the can of cans. That’s really the only absolute in the universe.

It's in the thread that shows the average age of all current MMA champions is 33. You've been unable to comprehend that event-based peak individual performance is separate from physiological prime, so re-reading it obviously won't help you, but maybe. Go for it, slick.

Try to focus on the science and not your feelings. Might help.

 

[Sweater of AV]

It's in the thread that shows the average age of all current MMA champions is 33. You've been unable to comprehend that event-based peak individual performance is separate from physiological prime, so re-reading it obviously won't help you, but maybe. Go for it, slick.

Try to focus on the science and not your feelings. Might help.

Lol at being too scared to bring the thread up. Science proved you wrong.

Why can’t you answer the questions kiddo?



Florini bless.

 

[Fioretti]

Lol at being too scared to bring the thread up. Science proved you wrong.

Why can’t you answer the questions kiddo?



Florini bless.

Funny, I just bumped the thread not too long ago. It was on the first page. Here is a good summary of your childish attempts in that thread:

You're too dense to understand that you're not showing science, you're showing peak performance charts in selected events. That's basically the same exact thing that I'm showing with my "Champions By Age" threads. They are essentially MMA performance charts by age, as they are showing the elite athlete's age in each division when reaching the pinnacle. You're also failing to understand that when you questioned me about the physiological science of a man's prime being between the ages of 27-35, that I proved that with multiple scientific studies of muscle/bone growth and deterioration.

I purposely underlined that part that you think agrees with what you're saying, but you're not comprehending how it applies. Peak performance does not equate to physical prime. You keep wanting them to mean the same thing, they don't. You keep wanting to show shit about swimming and gymnastics, yet adolescents tend to be the top competitors. Are you claiming that adolescent gymnasts and swimmers are in their physical prime? Do you know how naive and ridiculous that sounds? A decline in peak performance does not equate to a decline in physicality. "Out of prime" is when your body starts to physically decline, not when individuals aren't at their personal best. A selective loss or degeneration of type II fibers is a physical decline. So is hypoplasia and loss of nerve terminals. That's the scientific part you wanted so badly before. A progressive decrease in the calcium content and a deterioration in the organic matrix of the bones is the scientific explanation of a physical decline. Sprinters slowing down as they gain and retain mass doesn't help your argument as you think it does, it helps mine.

You have shown nothing scientific, and you're grasping onto an athletic performance review as if it is scientifically explaining how humans physiologically progress and decline. It doesn't. You're doing that while simultaneously trying to discredit and discard my documentation of an MMA performance review. That article and your words do not mean what you think they mean, and your inability to conceptualize the difference between physiological development and event-based performance reviews is not helping your case. You don't even want to try to understand or accept the difference, you just want to be right. Yes, you are correct in some things you are saying, but overall you're not understanding. I'll repeat, again, the most basic and easiest way to understand this: individual peak performance does not equate to physiological prime. Being more flexible and having less muscle mass/density does not mean you are in your physical prime. It is beneficial to some select athletic events, and detrimental to others. Humans do not physically decline before or at the age of 30. Males will start to decline in their late 30's. This is when muscles and bones typically start to deteriorate. There are exceptions, but 27-35 is the general rule of thumb. Some claim 25-35 since muscle strength begins to peak at 25, but muscle density and cognitive ability are not quite there yet in most. 20-35 seems to be a broader category that also covers all of the events you want it to, but age 35 is still considered "young adulthood". Do you know why? I noticed you skipped a lot of the questions I've been asking over the last few posts. Why is that? Maybe try to discuss something rather than post the same recently googled article repeatedly. I saw that shit too, quite a while ago, but I was able to distinguish the difference between a performance review and physiological science. I'm trying to help you understand it too.

This was the post I made that made you panic patty cake childish bullshit. I'm sure you'll do it again now. Good luck, slick.