Media Fedor named most padded record by MMA on Point!

GangGangGang said:
Avoiding thr question at all costs I see..
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I didn't avoid it, I acknowledged it, explicitly.

GangGangGang said:
Nearly every mma fighter has a padded record before the make it to the big leagues.
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See above.

GangGangGang said:
In Fedors 45 fights he only fought 6 different top 5 HWs.
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Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins in his resume, which represents roughly 30% of his total wins; neither his nor Nurmagomedov's resume is the most padded, I only compared the two because you're the one who brought that comparison up.
 
Superman Elbow said:
So you're telling me you know nothing about MMA other than what you remember happening in the octagon?...interesting...I like to actually hear what people think other than myself and form my opinion based on that.
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Stahp. You sound autistic.
 
Eiffel-sixtyFight said:
people let the rope grab against Lindland slide...
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Mainly because Lindland used the ropes get Fedor into the corner in the first place, and then Fedor used the ropes to keep Lindland from getting the takedown. Gifs showing both Lindland and then Fedor using the ropes were all over the place at the time, everyone knew both had cheated so the cheats canceled ... you can still find gifs of both using the ropes if you Google. Basically the ref should have restarted them into the center of the ring when Lindland first used the ropes. He didn't have control of the fight though, so both Lindland and Fedor took advantage of it.

Reffing has always been a problem in MMA, moreso than in most sports for some reason. Some of that is the complexity of MMA, but some of it is just that promotions don't like refs stopping the flow of fights.

Its also an example of how the ring never worked well for MMA -- I suspect both Lindland and Fedor automatically grabbed the ropes (ie they didn't think about it, we just grow up grabbing things like handles and stair-rails and so of course we're going to do it in those circumstances).
 
acannxr said:
I didn't avoid it, I acknowledged it, explicitly.


See above.


Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins in his resume, which represents roughly 30% of his total wins; neither his nor Nurmagomedov's resume is the most padded, I only compared the two because you're the one who brought that comparison up.
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Why not compare top 5 wins? They are/were both championship calibre fighters. Khabib for example, has 16 less fights but has beat 5 of the current top 10 at LW and that isn't including his wins over Johnson who was #6 and Barboza who was #4. My initial point was simply that Fedor padded his record AFTER being a top 10 HW. Khabib padded his record before he was even in the top 50.
 
His streak was padded.

His resume features the most impressive HW wins.

both things are very clearly true. who gives a fuck
 
AnotherOldGuy said:
Mainly because Lindland used the ropes get Fedor into the corner in the first place, and then Fedor used the ropes to keep Lindland from getting the takedown. Gifs showing both Lindland and then Fedor using the ropes were all over the place at the time, everyone knew both had cheated so the cheats canceled ... you can still find gifs of both using the ropes if you Google. Basically the ref should have restarted them into the center of the ring when Lindland first used the ropes. He didn't have control of the fight though, so both Lindland and Fedor took advantage of it.

Reffing has always been a problem in MMA, moreso than in most sports for some reason. Some of that is the complexity of MMA, but some of it is just that promotions don't like refs stopping the flow of fights.

Its also an example of how the ring never worked well for MMA -- I suspect both Lindland and Fedor automatically grabbed the ropes (ie they didn't think about it, we just grow up grabbing things like handles and stair-rails and so of course we're going to do it in those circumstances).
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If Fedor had been holding the ropes to stop the takedown and reverse Lindland you'd have seen them bend inwards though and that doesnt happen, you look closely and at that point his hand is not closed on them its just resting on them.

Part of the issue in this fight as well is that the ring ropes were much too slack, more like a boxing ring than you'd have had in Pride for example were they were much tighter so someone being pushed up against them was less of a mess. Personally my ideal enviroment for MMA would be something between the two, a cage height carrier but made of ropes with netting between them. The cage as a fixed solid barrier I think leads to a lot of cheap lower skill tactics.

Honestly this fight to me highlights the double standards in terms of size matchups, certain fighters it just seems accepted that they have a size advantage were as someone like Fedor is accepted that he will be smaller than most opponents so his fighting a smaller opponent is somehow a joke.
 
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Fioretti said:
It's quite a relevant topic, fella. Fulton has an outrageous amount of wins and incredible win streaks, they're just against no name guys in minor leagues. Very comparable to a 5-2 Hunt, the Zulus, Hong Man Chois, and a few others on Fedor's resume. As someone pointed out earlier, more than half of Fedor's 25+ win streak was padded with guys like this. That is the epitome of a "padded record", which is the topic of discussion. Fulton gets no love for his streaks, despite it also being mostly at HW, while Fedor gets too much love and praise.

Sorry it hurts your feelings, buddeh.
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I can't fix stupid, buddeh.
 
Superman Elbow said:
but it was competitive for the most part. Those fights were no where near as mismatched as some of fedors.
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Japan did freak show fights. Who cares? It's not like he fought cans instead of prides top hws. He did both.
 
GangGangGang said:
Why not compare top 5 wins? They are/were both championship calibre fighters. Khabib for example, has 16 less fights but has beat 5 of the current top 10 at LW and that isn't including his wins over Johnson who was #6 and Barboza who was #4. My initial point was simply that Fedor padded his record AFTER being a top 10 HW. Khabib padded his record before he was even in the top 50.
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After doing the tiniest bit of research into who votes for the UFC's rankings in this thread, and the fact that the UFC sends memos to each media member on how they should vote, the credibility in those rankings are even more laughable.

Additionally, Nurmagomedov was also a very inactive fighter/champion, which allowed the division to generate new contenders for him to fight.
However, Emelianenko was so active and dominant that he ran out of contenders, which is precisely what's happened to Nurmagomedov as soon as he got a little more active.

From the time Emelianenko won the Pride title to his last Pride fight, he fought 14 times in 1,387 days; averaging one fight every 99 days.
From the time Nurmagomedov joined the UFC till his last fight, he fought 13 times in 3,200 days; averaging one fight every 246 days.

Nurmagomedov had 3 top ten wins prior to winning the UFC title.
Emelianenko had 2 top ten wins prior to winning the Pride title.
 
beroisimo** said:
Fuck off, Stipe's wins are way more impressive.
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I'm not sure Fedor has the most quality wins of any HW, but the problem with Stipes wins is Ngannou was the only big name who wasnt past his prime at the time. Stipe didnt beat the best versions of DC, Reem, JDS, AA or Werdum, not even close. Prime for prime I think he probably loses to 3 of the 5. He already lost to JDS and an old DC in his first fights with them.
 
acannxr said:
After doing the tiniest bit of research into who votes for the UFC's rankings in this thread, and the fact that the UFC sends memos to each media member on how they should vote, the credibility in those rankings are even more laughable.

Additionally, Nurmagomedov was also a very inactive fighter/champion, which allowed the division to generate new contenders for him to fight.
However, Emelianenko was so active and dominant that he ran out of contenders, which is precisely what's happened to Nurmagomedov as soon as he got a little more active.

From the time Emelianenko won the Pride title to his last Pride fight, he fought 14 times in 1,387 days; averaging one fight every 99 days.
From the time Nurmagomedov joined the UFC till his last fight, he fought 13 times in 3,200 days; averaging one fight every 246 days.

Nurmagomedov had 3 top ten wins prior to winning the UFC title.
Emelianenko had 2 top ten wins prior to winning the Pride title.
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This post got this discussion absolutely nowhere. Why would you discredit a fighter for having serious injuries? He tore his meniscus twice which resulted in 2 long layoffs. He also had 5 UFC bouts cancelled due to problems out of his control. (other opponent injuries, fight card cancellations, coronavirus, athletic commission not allowing his opponent to fight). My points still stand. You dont have a good argument at all.
 
He fought people that out weighted and were taller.nowdays fighters dont do that
 
Fedor having a padded record from a combination of sporadic "spectacle" fights and fights against lower level competition in his early career, and Fedor being The GOAT, are not mutually exclusive.

Fedor fought some cans and amateurs. He also fought the best in his prime and massacred them.
 
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