Fedor: I Don’t Train Jiu Jitsu, Sambo Is Superior

[Iroh]

They have adcc trials that include Russians. They just don't make it that far afterwards. They usually get eliminated early in the bracket. I forgot what year but someone took Bronze. I am also generalizing a little because I am going by nationality. I am assuming Russians will practice Sambo.

There is also old school Oleg in ADCC but that is twenty years ago

So if you don't know their grappling background for sure, is it save to say you also don't know how accomplished they are in their sport? Because if the top Sambo guys don't happen to enter ADCC, then how meaningful is it really when determining how well the sport stacks up compared to BJJ or other disciplines?

 

[NoSmilez]

So if you don't know their grappling background for sure, is it save to say you also don't know how accomplished they are in their sport? Because if the top Sambo guys don't happen to enter ADCC, then how meaningful is it really when determining how well the sport stacks up compared to BJJ or other disciplines?

If you look at my other post, there has been winners of ADCC from almost every grappling art including sumo. No clear cut representative from Sambo winer? Maybe Dean Lister? Igor Yakimov is a decorated Sambo player and he placed 5th or 4th in ADCC?
Like I said there are Russian competitors but they just don't make it that far. You can't make the claim that this sport is better than the other sports but the guys that represent that sport don't win then you claim it's because they aren't your best guys. The ADCC doesn't discriminate and non bjj guys win quite often. There is even an American mma fighter with a 4-2 record who won the hand to hand world cup in Russia which is pretty much military combat Sambo.

 

[Hatorade]

Actually more people play badminton. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and are just resorting to name calling. I can only assume, you're either trolling or a child. Best of luck.

3 times as many people play chess dummy

Google it right now. you can find this out in seconds

 

[Lee_]

I don't really think there is that much of a difference despite any immediate differences one could point out. In the bigger picture, both will train to be able to do an armbar, and to defend an armbar, right? In this day and age of cross training, everyone trains to do everything that needs to be done in MMA. What styles anyone claims don't make superiority. There are good and bad fighters from all styles.

 

[Iroh]

If you look at my other post, there has been winners of ADCC from almost every grappling art including sumo. No clear cut representative from Sambo winer? Maybe Dean Lister? Igor Yakimov is a decorated Sambo player and he placed 5th or 4th in ADCC?
Like I said there are Russian competitors but they just don't make it that far. You can't make the claim that this sport is better than the other sports but the guys that represent that sport don't win then you claim it's because they aren't your best guys. The ADCC doesn't discriminate and non bjj guys win quite often. There is even an American mma fighter with a 4-2 record who won the hand to hand world cup in Russia which is pretty much military combat Sambo.

I'm not claiming anything. I'm just asking if you know, because it doesm't sound like you do. That's not a lknock on you though. I have no clue either.

But put it like this. Of all the highest accomplished competitors of every sport, which sport do you think has had the most representation in ADCC of said most elite competitors?

Like if you check the wiki list of all the multiple sambo world champs (I think that's the list) , how many if any have ever entered ADCC? And how many of the most accomplished BJJ players have entered it in comparison? Same goes for any other discipline?

Just for the sake of the comparison, if one sport regularly sends it's best and the other just sends good but not great mostly and maybe the odd great competitor, it's not really an even comparison.

Not trying to say one is definitely better for ADCC, than the other. Just trying to figure out if one can really make a sound conclusion on the matter, at all, going by past accomplishments.

Also, I get the impression that because Sambo is more than just grappling and groundwork, that among the better Sambo guys the ground game can vary a lot in style and perhaps even quality, and not all will be equally suited for a more pure grappling comp.

 

[RonMachineGunJhun]

Different strokes

 

[weaselkenievil]

Interesting thread to read. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Clearly a lot of knowledge in this thread, a few nit picky arguments on insignificant details that you’ll never agree on, play nice. Good thread.

 

[Ogata]

BJJ=Cheap knock off of judo!

Sambo is the true evolution of judo. Also when Gracie jujitsu cant win, they will gang up on you outside the tournament and fucking jump you with weapons:

 

[Cameron]

Oh, I was not talking about you.
Apologies if that is how it sounded.

I am just saying for the benefit of those who got to know Fedor mostly when he came to US, and judge him by what they saw of Werdum's sub on him.
IMHO what happened was just a byproduct of Fedor having the supreme confidence he would get out of it (like he did a couple of times before Werdum was able to finish him).
That confidence came more from his unbeatability throughout his career than trust in Sambo versus BJJ.

That we 100% agree I think if they fought 100 times Fedor wins 99. We just saw the one where he got caught because he didn’t respect Werdum

 

[TheBulge]

So you see a glimpse of the real Fedor here. Fake humble.

His lack of BJJ was exposed against Werdum and Bigfoot. He was exposed as an outdated old school relic who couldn't handle the modern MMA game.

 

[TheHitMan]

Ok according to you the perfect stance is a Raging Al crouching stance. Good day

No, that's your bitch-ass building a strawman to knockdown.

Fugging Al Iaquinta, lol.

Being a boxing fan since the mid-70s, up through today, for you to label Al as "my ideal" entitles you to a roundhouse kick to your fogging face. You have no knowledge and no integrity.

I mean, who on this earth would ever label Al Iaquinta as a "master boxer." You invent things so that you have something to say in retaliation.

Now, if you're actually asking my opinion ... bad ass fighters that would encompass "my" actual favorites, would include Jack Dempsey, Joe Lewis, Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Manny Pacquiao, Gennady Golovkin, Canelo Alvarez, etc. ... all of whom adopt a 60/40, front-favored boxing stance, because they want to knock you TF out. They're not "50-50", and they're definitely not the back foot, afraid to get hit. Like you obviously are.

Please sit down and shut up. Thanks.

 

[Strijfy]

So you see a glimpse of the real Fedor here. Fake humble.

His lack of BJJ was exposed against Werdum and Bigfoot. He was exposed as an outdated old school relic who couldn't handle the modern MMA game.

if thats what you take from that then you're an idiot... once of the most humble champions ever...who blames himself for his own mistake and nothing else and you say fake humble.. GTFO

 

[NoSmilez]

No, that's your bitch-ass building a strawman to knockdown.

Fugging Al Iaquinta, lol.

Being a boxing fan since the mid-70s, up through today, for you to label Al as "my ideal" entitles you to a roundhouse kick to your fogging face. You have no knowledge and no integrity.

I mean, who on this earth would ever label Al Iaquinta as a "master boxer." You invent things so that you have something to say in retaliation.

Now, if you're actually asking my opinion ... bad ass fighters that would encompass "my" actual favorites, would include Jack Dempsey, Joe Lewis, Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Julio Cesar Chavez, Manny Pacquiao, Gennady Golovkin, Canelo Alvarez, etc. ... all of whom adopt a 60/40, front-favored boxing stance, because they want to knock you TF out. They're not "50-50", and they're definitely not the back foot, afraid to get hit. Like you obviously are.

Please sit down and shut up. Thanks.

Even 60/40 guys are not crouching and leaning forward. I used raging Al because that is the stance you describe as being perfect. Crouching and leaning forward is it not what you describe as best for power distribution? Whatever it is. I stand by my point you don't generate power by leaning foward and crouching. Please use logic. If you are leaning forward then in order to generate power. You would need to shift weight back and then move it forward again. All those fighters you listed don't do that. There is no real difference between 50/50 and 60/40. You don't lean forward and crouch unless you have a lot of weight on your front foot. Just try it out yourself.

Come on is he crouching and leaning forward. Stop this nonsense. 60/40 is definitely not crouching down and leaning forward

 

[TheHitMan]

Even 60/40 guys are not crouching and leaning forward. I used raging Al because that is the stance you describe as being perfect. Crouching and leaning forward is it not what you describe as best for power distribution? Whatever it is. I stand by my point you don't generate power by leaning foward and crouching. Please use logic. If you are leaning forward then in order to generate power. You would need to shift weight back and then move it forward again. All those fighters you listed don't do that. There is no real difference between 50/50 and 60/40. You don't lean forward and crouch unless you have a lot of weight on your front foot. Just try it out yourself.

Come on is he crouching and leaning forward. Stop this nonsense. 60/40 is definitely not crouching down and leaning forward

You're a fogging clown. Getting a screenshot of one moment where Canelo liens backwards.

I invite any viewer to watch Canelo's general stance. As his opponent is actually adopting right in front of him.

You need to be bitch-slapped

 

[TheBulge]

if thats what you take from that then you're an idiot... once of the most humble champions ever...who blames himself for his own mistake and nothing else and you say fake humble.. GTFO

If he was humble he would give Werdum credit for being the better fighter. Instead it's all because of what he did wrong, and if only and if if if. Your hero is not what he appears to be, you naive fucking child. Get back in your hole.

 

[NoSmilez]

You're a fogging clown. Getting a screenshot of one moment where Canelo liens backwards.

I invite any viewer to watch Canelo's general stance. As his opponent is actually adopting right in front of him.

You need to be bitch-slapped

The opponent's stance isn't even crouching down and leaning forward. What are you talking about? How do you crouch down when your knees are straight. You said the perfect stance is crouching down and leaning forward. LOL this is the Canelo stance?

 

[Vampire life]

I got your Sambo right here!

 

[Strijfy]

If he was humble he would give Werdum credit for being the better fighter. Instead it's all because of what he did wrong, and if only and if if if. Your hero is not what he appears to be, you naive fucking child. Get back in your hole.

keep being ' edgey' dude, shows us who the dumbarses are

 

[HHJ]

If he was humble he would give Werdum credit for being the better fighter. Instead it's all because of what he did wrong, and if only and if if if. Your hero is not what he appears to be, you naive fucking child. Get back in your hole.

What does any of this have to do with Werdum? Why would he bring him up in response to this question. Why are you crying?
Werdum is hardly the first BJJ guy he faced. Fedor just says he dont train it. He dont have to train it. What he trains in,he feels is better. There is no disrespect there,unless you are fragile baby.

 

[quebert]

Haven’t they both won world titles in their respective disciplines?

There are far more people competing in BJJ than Sambo, I don't even watch pure BJJ, but I can name a good handful of people who compete strictly in it. I can't name anyone in Sambo except Fedor and Khabib. I think Arlovski came from Sambo too? IMHO you can't compare which of the 2 fighters are more skilled at their base. Just because Fedor competed in something that had a fraction of the people doesn't instantly mean Werdum's higher-skilled. But if you used that as the criteria, I wouldn't argue it either. What I do know is the one time they did fight, Wedrum submitted him. So based on that I'd go with either Wedrum > Fedor. BJJ > Sambo, or both in Werdums favor. People say Wedrum got lucky, but he used his main skill to win the fight, I don't see the luck in that. Had he won by a flying knee I might be inclined to say he got lucky. Half of his wins are via submission, so I'd say it was anything but luck.

BJJ's like a chili cookoff at a company like Google, where maybe 500 employees enter it.
Sambo's like a chili cookoff at an insurance company where 15 of the 20 employees enter it.

It's going to be waaaaaay tougher to win the 1st cookoff.