Fedor Emelianenko has defeated 7 UFC Champions

OmegaRugal said:
Don't lie ... you thought Nog was going to win that fight right?
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I would probably have picked Nog first time around but that was in a situation were he was just on the decline and Mir was just on the rise, I certainly wouldn't have picked him in the rematch and was surprised how well he did.

Its much easier to have a clearer view of someones career in retrospect, is a fight a one off loss or is it part of a general decline?

Again can you look at the first fight and honestly tell me Nog looks the same in that match as he did same vs Sergei?
 
My favorite fighter only loses when they are out of their prime.
moreorless87 said:
I would probably have picked Nog first time around but that was in a situation were he was just on the decline and Mir was just on the rise, I certainly wouldn't have picked him in the rematch and was surprised how well he did.

Its much easier to have a clearer view of someones career in retrospect, is a fight a one off loss or is it part of a general decline?

Again can you look at the first fight and honestly tell me Nog looks the same in that match as he did same vs Sergei?
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I think Nog improved his striking leaps and bounds in the UFC compared to his Pride days.

Prime Nog was struggling to beat Bop Sapp.

UFC Champion Nog just beat Tim Silvia, Josh Barnett and Heath Hearing prior to fighting Mir.

You are using Hindsight to rationalize in your mind how Mir could have won.

But that's the end of this because its clear you are stuck in your hindsight excuse for Big Nog losing. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion ... I like to debate facts not opinions.
 
Isnt it funny for being the GOAT he sure needs a lot of people making multiple threads trying to convince people how and why he is the GOAT.
Almost like they are trying to convince themself. Dont know if its funny or sad.. maybe both.<{hughesimpress}>
 
OmegaRugal said:
I think Nog improved his striking leaps and bounds in the UFC compared to his Pride days.

Prime Nog was struggling to beat Bop Sapp.

UFC Champion Nog just beat Tim Silvia, Josh Barnett and Heath Hearing prior to fighting Mir.

You are using Hindsight to rationalize in your mind how Mir could have won.

But that's the end of this because its clear you are stuck in your hindsight excuse for Big Nog losing. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion ... I like to debate facts not opinions.
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Nog sat down on his punches a bit more and fought opponents with weaker defence and chins in the UFC but its pretty obvious he became a lot slower and a lot more hittable.

Sapp at that time had just beaten one of the best kickboxers in history twice, it was only post Mirko face break that he dropped of badly plus of course he didn't realty threaten Nog standing but rather on the ground via extreme size/power.

As I said hindsight is generally a much better judgement of someones career, was Nog's performance vs Sylvia a one off? perhaps Tim's extreme reach? was Herring just bad luck missing the kick? when you see Mir land at will on him again looking slow and hittable plus that the rest of his career I think it becomes much easier to say yes he was in decline at that point.

The reality is IMHO that the UFC kept people like Nog and Crocop around to play off of their names, hype them up as still being on prime and then allow newer names to gain hype beating them.
 
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ExxA said:
Isnt it funny for being the GOAT he sure needs a lot of people making multiple threads trying to convince people how and why he is the GOAT.
Almost like they are trying to convince themself. Dont know if its funny or sad.. maybe both.<{hughesimpress}>
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It's because of posts like yours that people need reminding.
 
Newtieg said:
Nog was the only one he beat in their prime. Not as impressive of a list if you understand the timing of those fights.
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Newtieg said:
Nog was the only one he beat in their prime. Not as impressive of a list if you understand the timing of those fights.
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Wrong. Big Tim, 1st Coleman fight and Arlovski were all in their primes.
 
Remember, it didn't count because they were not "in their primes".

But when Jones beat a number of FORMER champs, it counts, because "something something I suck UFC cock".

Won't even talk about the case of Stipe, his list of "former champs" is lol worthy.
 
Johnnny said:
No one can compare, eh?

Randy Couture
-Vitor
-Smith
-Randleman
-Liddell
-Tito
-Sylvia
-Coleman

Lyoto Machida
-Penn
-Franklin
-Tito
-Evans
-Shogun
-Couture
-Vitor

Dan Henderson
-Newton
-Nogueira
-Bustamante
-Vitor
-Franklin
-Bisping
-Shogun

By the way, when 34 year old Fedor was locked in the cage with 40 year old Hendo, he woke up face down ass up. GOAT the fuck outta here.

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Fedor had GOAT potential, but he fell off way too early. By age 33, he was getting submitted in 69 seconds and then knocked out by Bigfoot Silva. For comparison, Cormier and Stipe are still elite at 41 and 37, Anderson Silva was champ until age 38. Usman is dominating at age 33. Fedor looking terrible at 33 is embarrassing.
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Its not the age its the fight mileage. You should know this by now.
 
moreorless87 said:
Nog sat down on his punches a bit more and fought opponents with weaker defence and chins in the UFC but its pretty obvious he became a lot slower and a lot more hittable.

Sapp at that time had just beaten one of the best kickboxers in history twice, it was only post Mirko face break that he dropped of badly plus of course he didn't realty threaten Nog standing but rather on the ground via extreme size/power.

As I said hindsight is generally a much better judgement of someones career, was Nog's performance vs Sylvia a one off? perhaps Tim's extreme reach? was Herring just bad luck missing the kick? when you see Mir land at will on him again looking slow and hittable plus that the rest of his career I think it becomes much easier to say yes he was in decline at that point.

The reality is IMHO that the UFC kept people like Nog and Crocop around to play off of their names, hype them up as still being on prime and then allow newer names to gain hype beating them.
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Im pretty sure UFC would haved loved to have Crocop vs Randy. It would have been a HUGE fight.

But Crocop lost to Gonzaga ... no one thought that would happen but it did.

And this is Crocop coming off of the Grand Prix win.

If that's not your prime ... nothing is.
 
TR1 said:
Remember, it didn't count because they were not "in their primes".

But when Jones beat a number of FORMER champs, it counts, because "something something I suck UFC cock".

Won't even talk about the case of Stipe, his list of "former champs" is lol worthy.
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No one beats anyone in their prime. Everyone makes excuses for everyone's loses.

Prime "my favorite fighter" is unbeatable.
 
OmegaRugal said:
Im pretty sure UFC would haved loved to have Crocop vs Randy. It would have been a HUGE fight.

But Crocop lost to Gonzaga ... no one thought that would happen but it did.

And this is Crocop coming off of the Grand Prix win.

If that's not your prime ... nothing is.
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When the UFC first brought over Mirko they brought him as a prospect, second time around though I think they brought him in as a name given that his form in Dream had hardly been inspiring.

Mir beat that clearly declined Crocop.
 
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