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Movies FANTASTIC FOUR [2015] Thread v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

Original script sounded better, but still ruined Doom's character (one of the most iconic villains ever IMO)
 
Wow. $56M. That's like Delgo level tanking.
 
Update: November 24, 2015

Fox Removes FANTASTIC FOUR 2 From 2017 Release Schedule


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20th Century Fox announced late Monday night that they've officially removed Fantastic Four 2 from their upcoming release schedule. The June 9, 2017 date is now solely occupied by Paramount Pictures' World War Z sequel. There's now an increased chance Fox decides to place an X-Men universe film here, with a Deadpool sequel and Channing Tatum's Gambit being the most likely candidates, however, if they really wanted to up the ante, they could always push back Hugh Jackman's final X-Men outing, Wolverine 3, from March to June.

What this removal means for the future of the Fantastic Four franchise is yet-to-be seen, could the film be scrapped entirely? Tough to say and rationally speaking, discussion of a potential reunion with Marvel Studios seems a bit premature at this point. There is really no urgency on either side to strike a deal, however, as we've seen with Spider-Man, which, unlike the Fantastic Four reboot, made a ton of money at the box office, it's not necessarily something that's out of the realm of possibility.

This would of course more than likely mean Marvel would once again have to realign their Phase 3 plans as they attempt to find a way to incorporate Marvel's first family. Another possibility, considering that Fox stills holds the rights until 2022, is that the creative team behind the Fantastic Four take a beat to reconsider the future of the series and work toward making a better sequel.

In case you needed a refresher, the ill-fated Josh Trank-directed Fantastic Four reboot was met was universal critical disdain and suffered at the box office, making just over $167 million worldwide on a $120 million budget, which would reportedly result in a loss of $60 million for the studio.


Fox Unsurprisingly Removes FANTASTIC FOUR 2 From Their 2017 Release Schedule
 
that original script sounded badass, why the fuck would they deviate from it????
 
Update: November 24, 2015

Watch the Honest Trailer for 2015's FANTASTIC FOUR


 
Update: February 27, 2016

FANTASTIC FOUR and FIFTY SHADES OF GREY Tied for Worst Picture at 2016 Razzie Awards


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Fifty Shades of Grey dominated the winners list at this year's Razzies with five total nods, including worst actor, worst actress, worst screenplay, worst screen combo and the big winner of the night, worst picture. The 36th annual satirical awards show, honoring Fifty Shades as last year's "Most Successful Bad Movie," was held on Feb. 27, the night before the Oscars.

Adam Sandler led the nominations this year but pulled out no wins, competing against fellow worst actor nominees Kevin James, Johnny Depp, Channing Tatum and Jamie Dornan. Dornan won worst actor with Fifty Shades of Grey's Dakota Johnson as worst actress, their film facing off against Fantastic Four, Jupiter Ascending, Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 and Pixels for worst picture, which ended up in a tie between Fifty Shades and Fantastic Four.

Oscar nominee Eddie Redmayne won worst supporting actor "for his hilariously out-of-control performance" in Jupiter Ascending. Worst supporting actress went to Kaley Cuoco for her roles in both Alvin and the Chipmunks 4: Road Chip and The Wedding Ringer.

The Razzie Redeemer Award, which is given to a previous Razzie Award winner who has "gone on to do better work," this year went to Sylvester Stallone, best supporting actor nominee at the Oscars this year for Creed.

Worst Picture: Fantastic Four and Fifty Shades of Grey
Worst Actor: Jamie Dornan, Fifty Shades of Grey
Worst Actress: Dakota Johnson, Fifty Shades of Grey
Redeemer Award: Sylvester Stallone
Worst Supporting Actress: Kaley Cuoco, Alvin & The Chipmunks: Road Chip and The Wedding Ringer
Worst Supporting Actor: Eddie Redmayne, Jupiter Ascending
Worst Director: Josh Trank, Fantastic Four
Worst Screen Combo: Jamie Dornan & Dakota Johnson, Fifty Shades of Grey
Worst Screenplay: Fifty Shades of Grey
Worst Remake, Rip-Off or Sequel: Fantastic Four

'Fifty Shades of Grey' and 'Fantastic Four' Tied for Worst Picture at the 2016 Razzie Awards
 
Never really been a fan of the Razzies. They tend to go for easy targets.
 
Finally got around to seeing this. I actually kinda liked it. Don't get what all the hate was about. I liked it better than BvS
 
Update: May 14, 2016

Simon Kinberg Says Fox Still Wants to Make FANTASTIC FOUR Sequel


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Producer Simon Kinberg: “We didn't make a good movie and the world voted, and I think they probably voted correctly. And you can't make a good movie every time out - not everybody does. We actually have a pretty good batting average, all things considered. But I think we made many mistakes when we made that movie - mistakes that we learned from and we wouldn't repeat.”

“We want to make another Fantastic Four movie. We love that cast - I mean if I were to say to you now Michael B. Jordan and Miles Teller, and Kate [Mara] and Jamie [Bell] are great actors - we love that cast. I love the comic, I mean I love it almost as much as X-Men.

If it happens, Kinberg adds the next Fantastic Four movie would be closer in tone to the comics - so far less of the Cronenbergian body horror than we got in Josh Trank’s reboot.

“We'll try to be truer to the essence of the tone of Fantastic Four, which is completely - well, not completely, but largely - distinct from the X-Men, which is brighter, funner, more optimistic tone. I think we tried to make a darker Fantastic Four movie, which seemed like a radical idea but we were kind of messing with the DNA of the actual comic instead of trusting the DNA of the comic.”

Producer Simon KInberg Says 'Fantastic Four' Sequel Could Still Happen with the Same Cast
 
Update: August 16, 2016

FANTASTIC FOUR Screenwriter Reveals Details About His Original Draft


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Jeremy Slater, who was the first screenwriter to be hired for Fantastic Four, spoke to Screen Crush about what his original vision for the film was. Slater wrote about 10-15 drafts of the screenplay, and says he was an “ubernerd” brought into balance Trank’s more grounded approach to the story.

Slater says that while the overall outline remains the same, what changed over time was the structure and tone (only one line of Slater’s screenplay made it to the final cut: young Reed Richards saying, “Don’t blow up.”).

For example, both Slater’s screenplay and the finished film have young characters going to the Baxter Foundation, but in the finished film, it’s never really explained what the Baxter Foundation is. If it’s a school, why are there no classes or teachers? And why do most of the students seem to be in their late 20s? In Slater’s screenplay, the Baxter Foundation “was envisioned as a sort of Hogwarts for nerds: a school filled with young geniuses zipping around on prototype hoverboards and experimenting with anti-gravity and teleportation and artificial lifeforms.”

The young Reed would befriend a “‘damaged young Latverian scientist’ named Victor, who ‘slowly seduced Reed into bending the rules,’ damaging his friendship with Ben.”

There’s still a portal that sends the kids to an alternate dimension (dubbed the “Negative Zone” in Slater’s draft as opposed to the “Planet Zero” of the finished film) where they would have fought Annihilus (described by Slater as “a pissed-off cybernetic T-Rex”). Annihilus appears to kill Victor, and the rest get zapped with radiation on their return home. giving them their powers. Later, Victor returns from the Negative Zone, “having killed Annihilus and reshaped his Control Rod into a sort of living body armor.”

Slater says he liked the stuff with “lots of humor, lots of heart, lots of spectacle,” while Trank preferred something “grounded, gritty, and as realistic as possible.” And while these events basically take up the entirety of Trank’s movie with a rushed third act climax, Slater’s draft had a lot more material that was far more faithful to the comics.

Slater says, "In addition to Annihilus and the Negative Zone, we had Doctor Doom declaring war against the civilized world, the Mole Man unleashing a 60 foot genetically-engineered monster in downtown Manhattan, a commando raid on the Baxter Foundation, a Saving Private Ryan-style finale pitting our heroes against an army of Doombots in war-torn Latveria, and a post-credit teaser featuring Galactus and the Silver Surfer destroying an entire planet. We had monsters and aliens and Fantasticars and a cute spherical H.E.R.B.I.E. robot that was basically BB-8 two years before BB-8 ever existed. And if you think all of that sounds great…well, yeah, we did, too. The problem was, it would have also been massively, MASSIVELY expensive."

For his part, Slater doesn’t hold any ill will towards Trank or the studio, and he understands the studio economics at play.

“Would you spend $300 million on a Fantastic Four film?” he asked. “Particularly after the previous two films left a fairly bad taste in audiences’ mouths? … It’s understandable that everyone involved would take steps to minimize their risk as much as possible. Unfortunately, those steps probably compromised the film to a fatal degree.”

‘Fantastic Four’ Screenwriter Jeremy Slater Reveals Details about His Original Draft

Comments: Sounds better than what Josh Trank gave us but I believe Slater's version would still not have been that great. It sounds spectacular with all the villains and fan service but it feels bloated and overstuffed. Probably would have had bad pacing issues as well.
 
Slater's movie sounds like a fucking mess, too.
A F.F. Origin movie with Dr. Doom, Annihilus, Mole Man, Negative Zone, 60 foot genetically engineered monster, a war against an army of Doombots in Latveria,.... AND H.E.R.B.I.E.???

Slater should have kept that shit to himself.
 
Was listening to the Weekly Pull last week and during MCU discussion at 1:16:45 Jason Inman of DC All Access brought up how a friend who has an insider at Disney swears that Phase 4 is Fantastic Phase 4.


Also realized as of Spider-Man Homecoming Marvel will have reached the same amount of movies as were made by other studios that they got money from to start Marvel Studios in a matching timespan. Pre-MCU 1998-2007 (no movie in 1999) to reach 16 with MCU 2008-2017 (no movie in 2009).

1. Blade 1998 - New Line
2. X-Men 2000 - FOX
3. Blade 2 2002 - New Line
4. Spider-Man 2002 - Sony
5. Daredevil 2003 - FOX
6. X-Men 2 2003 - FOX
7. Hulk 2003 - Universal
8. Punisher 2004 - Lions Gate
9. Spider-Man 2 2004 - Sony
10. Blade 3 2004 - New Line
11. Fantastic Four 2005 - FOX
12. Elektra 2005 - FOX
13. X-Men 3 2006 - FOX
14. Ghost Rider 2007 - Sony
15. Spider-Man 3 2007 - Sony
16. Fantastic Four 2 2007 - FOX

Spider-Man being the significantly most successful of this group being the one to now reach 16 in the MCU is a bit of poetry.
 
Update: August 5, 2017

Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled FANTASTIC FOUR Comics Over Film Rights


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Before he was an all-star writing talent at Marvel, many comic book readers first discovered Jonathan Hickman's brilliance during his modernizing run on the Fantastic Four which also mangage to respect the core values that have always defined Marvel's First Family (something the films have failed to do).

However, the Fantastic Four comic books were unceremoniously cancelled in 2014 and its characters were eventually put in comic book limbo (aside from a brief appearance in Secret Wars II) - a move Bleeding Cool attributed to Marvel Studios (chiefly Ike Perlmutter's) unhappiness with Fox retaining the Fantastic Four film rights.

Marvel Comics has denied that was the case, citing poor comic book sales as the catalyst for the decision to cancel the FF books but after years and years of speculation and denials we finally have confirmation from Hickman that film rights are indeed the reason why the Fantastic Four are largely absent from the Marvel universe right now.

"I think it’s pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel isn’t publishing Fantastic Four because of their disagreement with Fox. While it bums me out, I completely understand because, well, it isn’t like they’re not acting out of cause. Fox needs to do a better job there." said Hickman to Newsarama [via Bleeding Cool].

But Hickman wasn't letting Marvel off the hook either. "That kind of thinking runs contrary to everything I believe in as a professional storyteller. It comes from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make the reader desire something through denial. It's hacky. It's suboptimal. It's the central tenet of all sh---y dating advice. If you want someone to care about a book, write a story they care about."

Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled The Fantastic Four Comics Over Film Rights
 
Update: August 5, 2017

Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled FANTASTIC FOUR Comics Over Film Rights


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Before he was an all-star writing talent at Marvel, many comic book readers first discovered Jonathan Hickman's brilliance during his modernizing run on the Fantastic Four which also mangage to respect the core values that have always defined Marvel's First Family (something the films have failed to do).

However, the Fantastic Four comic books were unceremoniously cancelled in 2014 and its characters were eventually put in comic book limbo (aside from a brief appearance in Secret Wars II) - a move Bleeding Cool attributed to Marvel Studios (chiefly Ike Perlmutter's) unhappiness with Fox retaining the Fantastic Four film rights.

Marvel Comics has denied that was the case, citing poor comic book sales as the catalyst for the decision to cancel the FF books but after years and years of speculation and denials we finally have confirmation from Hickman that film rights are indeed the reason why the Fantastic Four are largely absent from the Marvel universe right now.

"I think it’s pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel isn’t publishing Fantastic Four because of their disagreement with Fox. While it bums me out, I completely understand because, well, it isn’t like they’re not acting out of cause. Fox needs to do a better job there." said Hickman to Newsarama [via Bleeding Cool].

But Hickman wasn't letting Marvel off the hook either. "That kind of thinking runs contrary to everything I believe in as a professional storyteller. It comes from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make the reader desire something through denial. It's hacky. It's suboptimal. It's the central tenet of all sh---y dating advice. If you want someone to care about a book, write a story they care about."

Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled The Fantastic Four Comics Over Film Rights

Ugh that's really petty
 
I knew it. Same is true for the X-Men comics, and both comics were on point like they hadn't been for 10-20 years when they were cancelled.

An unforeseen casualty in all this was this very thread series. Edit: thought this was the comic book thread.
 
Never cared for the FF comics, or films.

Fox is 0 for 3 in attempts of making a decent FF movie, so its little wonder why Marvel wants the rights back before Fox shits out another.

Whatever respect FF had due to the quality of comics, is now gone thanks to Fox. The same happened with the Daredevil thanks to the 2003 movie, and shitty Elektra movie in 2005. Thankfully, Marvel was able to get their rights back to make an awesome Netflix series, which is debatedly the best series on Netflix.

And for fans of FF comics, its cancellation may be a blessing to its overall image because damn near every title has been infected by SJW writers and artists. If it was relaunched today, Mr Fantastic would be middle-eastern, The Thing would be a tranny and demanding everyone to call him by his prefered pornoun, Human Torch would be emo and experimenting with his sexuality with The Thing, and Invisable Woman would be a obese butch lesbian and refuses to turn invisable because she wants everyone to accept her as she is.

For now, its best for FF to be on hold, in comics and the silver screen.
 
did you ever do a fantasy casting for green lantern?
I only did a fantasy casting for Hal Jordan back in 2013. Matt Bomer was my choice back then.

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