False Finish

[o'dubhlaoich]

What is everyone's opinion on the false finish? More specifically a wrestler kicking out of someone's finisher multiple times in a match. I think its ridiculous and needs to be cut back IMHO. Thoughts?

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

Kicking out of a finish on Raw? NO. Kicking out of a finish in the main event of Wrestlemania or a blow off match to a feud? Yes.

I look at like a clutch player coming through in a big playoff game and using that adrenaline to make that big play they need to. So I can buy HBK kicking out of the tombstone at Mania and don't have an issue with it.

 

[BeeCee]

It all depends

 

[JohnSAFTAHess]

They were mandatory for the John Cena US open challenge matches and it pissed me off. They're a staple of big matches, so I don't mind them when used well. Taker matches for instance. John Cena vs The Rock and most HHH matches are examples of when they're used poorly.. I don't like them when they're 100% expected.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

as long as nobody kicks out of the f.u. that shit is BRUTAL

 

[Michaelangelo]

need more subs and KOs

 

[King Bastar]

Minimum 3 finisher kick outs per match. IMO.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

What is everyone's opinion on the false finish? More specifically a wrestler kicking out of someone's finisher multiple times in a match. I think its ridiculous and needs to be cut back IMHO. Thoughts?

Yeah, it is. It's just a lazy way to generate excitement and make a guy seem impressive.

But once you let it creep in and become commonplace, then it's not exciting, it doesn't do anything for the guy kicking out, and it totally diminishes the finishers.

 

[TennBJJ]

Not a fan. So many of the "great" matches people have had the past few years, have just been fucking spot fests with each wrestler kicking out of 100 finishers. Why have a damn "finisher"?

I remember Hogan kicking out(shoulder up, whatever) of the PerfectPlex at Saturday Night's Main Event. Not sure it was the first time, but it was such a shock. 6:20:



Same thing with Sid vs Hogan at WMVIII, "kicking out" of the atomic leg drop.

I'm completely OK with kicking out a finisher, when it means something, and was built up over a long time. But Shawn hitting Taker with 117 Superkicks, Cena hitting 25 F5's on the Rock, etc. gets old and boring

 

[Wariowokecancel]

A guy looks like a bitch if he gets almost pinned 7 times in a row.

Every fight.

You're just 'lucky'. One quicker count and you lose.

And how come you're on your back so often?

A false finish can occur once every few years. At WM.

Nowadays they mean nothing.

 

[Count Zero]

Minimum 3 finisher kick outs per match. IMO.

Owens won the NXT title off a ref stoppage last year.

Wow, quoted wrong post lol

Right post below:

need more subs and KOs

 

[Slick_36]

I totally agree, though I love seeing guys in Japan dig deep to kick out of a finisher, then get hit with three follow up finishers to end the match. They sell it like death. Works great for guys with striking moves like Nakamura's knees or any guy with a lariat. It's definitely not something that should happen often.

 

[SocraticMethod]

I like false finishes, but I don't like the prevalence of people kicking out of finishers. Like RSR said, that should be reserved for really special moments. Part of the problem, imo, is that now, more than ever, a match doesn't end unless it's with a finisher, and even that isn't until one or both guys get in all their non-finisher signature moves. Back in the day, I could bite on false finishes/near falls that came off of non finisher moves. Now fucking DDTs are just set up moves. Fucking Cena started using a bastardized goddamn Stunner as a set up move.

I'm a proponent for guys having a couple different moves that can put someone away, in addition to an official signature. Then someone kicking out of a big impact (but none "finisher") can get that pop. Like Cesaro's big uppercut thing. I think he should get some wins off of that. Build it so that someone kicking out of the the big uppercut is a big deal, and now it's an even bigger deal that he has to pull out all the stops and use the Neutralizer.

 

[Count Zero]

I'm actually of the mindset that ... well, I'd like it if it were all more like this:

Wrestling is more like mma in the sense that really just about anyone has multiple ways to finish a fight. Big Country's been nothing more than an overhand right for years now but he has multiple submission wins under his belt. But wrestlers are more aware of the showbiz aspect, and they know that a popular finisher = money.

So, they're not ending matches with their big move out of necessity - but basically as a marketing tool.

Which is part of why they hold out until their opponents are beaten up to bust them out. Otherwise, why not just immediately go for your finisher until you hit it ? Because it's just a move. But you want people to think it's more than just a move, so you wait until you're sure just any move would do the trick, but you make that move not a good move, not a bad move, but THE move.

Okay I had to throw that last line in there when I saw I'd basically painted myself toward it anyway, but for serious - yeah, you're just trying to sell t-shirts and put butts in seats, is the idea.

 

[deezy]

It's like the "bigger, faster, stronger" argument of real sports.

Used to be a slapshot was unstoppable in hockey, athletes adapted.

Wrestlers should just establish several finishers they like using and maybe they won't prostitute their main ones so much.