FACT:Speed/No Power lets you get away with sloppy technique thus smaller guys arnt P4P more skillful

[kammfreudenstei]

Why is it that whenever I enter a thread with fact in the title that I come away shaking my head

 

[$uicideboy$]

The myth that "bigger guys are sloppier" has to get old at some point. Flashy cool looking "moves" are much easier to execute on a smaller frame than a larger one. Ever seen big gymnasts, big divers, or hefty top rock climbers and parkour practitioners? These are little dudes, who can pull off complicated movements partly because they are small. Take soccer: it is not a sport dominated by huge men, because there is a benefit from not being a giant. Other team sports have a much wider variety of body types and sizes, because the types of things a big person can do, are not in the reach of the little guy.

The myth that "the little guy is more skilled" is....a myth. They look more skilled, because they can execute "crisper looking movements". Now, try doing the same things Pettis does in Bigfoot's frame, or carrying the body that Overeem or even Lesnar were carrying around. You simply cannot. Also, it becomes irrelevant at those sizes: they can absorb a lot more damage, and precise heavy impact blows are the best tools between HW fighters.

Werdum for example, is extremely skilled in BJJ. It doesn't get much better than that, in any weight category. Ali was a LHW turned HW: have we seen boxers as innovative and skilled as him?

This whole idea is false. You need to take into account "what the athlete is executing the move with". It's all relative, and a lot of HWs and LHWs are extremely skilled with the tools that are available and effective to their sizes.

tldr but hws are sloppy and have shit technique

 

[Bmurray]

Didn't read everything but I get it

Offensively Joe is right

Defensively you are right

 

[Pls Respond]

Just say it... "I LIKE BIG MEN" it's 2016...no problem bro.
and anyway...if i ever decide to "go" im "going big" too!

I think you are thinking about another thing when u say Big.

 

[HaulParris]

More of an opinion than a fact

 

[Xaero]

How many BJJ black belts and D1 wrestlers in LW? how many in HW?

 

[leatherf4ce]

Regardless of whether I agree with you or not, I love when people post threads in general like this. It's a breath of fresh air than the typical "Conor tweets", "Conor got a new car", "Conor working on his ground game", etc.

....but I do disagree about the lack of defense in MM and Cruz. Though they don't have a guarding defense, their speed and movement is in its place and they hardly need to hold their guard up. I know you indicated this to an extent, and also said they hardly get hit, but what they also do is tire their opponents out with them constantly making their opponents miss and somewhat rush in to try to connect.

 

[Pls Respond]

Regardless of whether I agree with you or not, I love when people post threads in general like this. It's a breath of fresh air than the typical "Conor tweets", "Conor got a new car", "Conor working on his ground game", etc.

....but I do disagree about the lack of defense in MM and Cruz. Though they don't have a guarding defense, their speed and movement is in its place and they hardly need to hold their guard up. I know you indicated this to an extent, and also said they hardly get hit, but what they also do is tire their opponents out with them constantly making their opponents miss and somewhat rush in to try to connect.

Which is why speed allows the to get away with sloppy technique. They are simply too fast, that they dont need their chins down or hands up.

At higher weight classes their is fighters who pull this off but its much more risky.

 

[essie]

Fact: you don't know what fact means.

 

[Ajidar]

Lol, half of the guys you referred to as manlets (Aldo, Brimage, Brandao to name a few) will knock your head off.

Smaller fighters generally have a better cardio and train harder because they cannot rely on one big punch. Secondly, they recognize the need to move because they compete against fighters relying on speed. Hence, it should not come as a surprise that they develop good technique.

 

[phatron]

Never said HW was perfect in technique or near it.

But LHW/MW/WW/LW all show way better striking defense...and striking offense is also much better.


Do you honestly think that Max halloway/urijah and other top 10 fghters are technically better than fighters in these higher weight classes..

Other than the standouts MM/Cruz/edgar etc....all the other guys arnt that good.

Trying to talk about skill level between guys that are 100 lbs apart is pointless.

Fighters fight and get good at certain things in major part due to their build and weight.

We have no idea how a 125 pound Jon Jones would fight without his huge wingspan and reach advantage and we have no idea how a 220 lb mighty mouse would fight with knockout power and less speed.

 

[leatherf4ce]

Which is why speed allows the to get away with sloppy technique. They are simply too fast, that they dont need their chins down or hands up.

At higher weight classes their is fighters who pull this off but its much more risky.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm just adding that the way they use their speed is a huge part of their technique. You see guys like Damacio Page that had potential - strength and speed. He just didn't have the technique down and got caught by guys that he should've rolled through.

 

[Squarechoke]

I guess displaying a lack of knowledge of what a fact is saves some time for readers regarding the level of insight on the technical aspect of MMA.

 

[funksoulbrother]

Never said HW was perfect in technique or near it.

But LHW/MW/WW/LW all show way better striking defense...and striking offense is also much better.


Do you honestly think that Max halloway/urijah and other top 10 fghters are technically better than fighters in these higher weight classes..

Other than the standouts MM/Cruz/edgar etc....all the other guys arnt that good.

Yeah perfect striking defense like weidman and lawler and Jones
They never get punched

 

[maxi diablo]

If mighty mouse and bones weighed the same, mouse smashes bones.

 

[ZFury]

Marcelo Garcia is P4P a better grappler than Ricco Rodriguez. You can't compare apples to oranges, your speed depends on your size. HW and lighter weights have to approach the fight differently because of this. A HW could have a better reaction time than a FW but is still slower because physics. P4P fighter can only be settled one way, openweight. Sure the heavier fighter is probably stronger, the lighter weight should be faster.

 

[FadeLess]

Name a HW with perfect technique. A lot of them wing punches with their chins out too.

I guess your pretty fkin tired of watching this perfectly common shit happen all the time

also TS i dont know wtf ur talking about ... u usually have good points , but thread is all over the fkin place

 

[Toxxus]

How has earned a 4th or 5th ranking? By beating MJ who also wasn't ranked? He's 3-3 at LW since 2012. He might be a top 4 or 5 ranked LW but he's certainly hasn't earned that shit.

I'd base this on the quality of his performances which are a factor in rankings (at least how they're currently done). You can lose a fight and move up in the right circumstances or win a fight and end up losing ground. It's not just the quality of the opposition and the results - but the quality of the performance.

Nate has looked great in his last two outings and I fully expect under the current rankings system that he'll move up for it.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

I see Rogan and everybody claim that smaller guys are automatically better because they need better technique to pull of certain moves specially if they train with bigger guys.

That bigger guys can get away with sloppy technique because their power can make up for it.

The fact of the matter is however that the opposite is also true.

Lighter weight classes have no power thus taking hits/taking risk is much easier to do....thus technique isn't as important as HW.

In HW if you get hit, you are going down thus technique in HW striking is much more important than SW.

Now lets look at speed. The fact that SW move and hop all over the place actually means you can get away with a lot more things.

Speed is like power. If you have enough speed, then you can get away with crappy technique.


Now we have standouts like MM,cruz,etc...They are very skillful but do you honestly think that their technique is perfect?

Then we have all these top 10 SW/BW/FW like Max halloway,Urijah.....These guys IMO arn't not more skillful that higher weight guys, nothing in their game is amazing IMO.

IMO both Cruz/MM style arnt that good defensively....They get hit, not often but they do and they don't have their chins down...If you don't have your chin down in higher weight classes, you're getting KTFO.

Of course both Cruz/MM are smart guys that could fix this but it would change their whole style IMO.


Take a look at Conor...When he was fighting Manlets, his chin looked amazing...His sloppy keep your chin high stance withstood all the manlet punches.

Then came Nate Diaz....a Man not known for power....He rocked him in the 2nd round, suddenly Conor's keep your chin high stance was a huge problem.

Conor was considered top 5 btw....yet couldn't handle a top 10 at best LW who had 10 days to train after drinking tequila in Cabo. Just goes to show that these P4P rankings are wrong.

Conor along, a lot of these manlets are getting away with crappy technique, because nobody has power.

 

[helltoupee]

To respond to the actual topic [didn't read but assuming off title] The best skilled fighters are the best skilled fighters in the deepest divisions IMO. It has little do with weight but more on the depth of your division. The deepest divisions are Lightweight and Welterweight. Top 13 in either of these divisions is a murderer's row. Heavyweight has some talent, but a lot of the fighters are veterans of the sport, some of the top 10 have horrible records. The problem is, that most people aren't heavyweights, and those who are tend to go into other sports that demand large guys.

Most people aren't flyweights either. So, I agree, there is some talent but its not the deepest division. Most people fall in between Lightweight ~ Middleweight divisions, which is why even in a rank 20 against rank 19 fight you will see an insane amount of diversity and well-roundedness, more so in LW and WW.

This all day. Elite athletes who are anything over 5'10" are going to gravitate to more traditional, lucrative ball sports, whereas the little guys don't have many options. This makes the talent pool in the lighter weight classes much deeper, and subsequently the skill level much higher.