Example of my 3000 Calorie Low Carb Paleo Diet

[immovablestone]

Say what? Following a paleo diet is just "eating healthier and cutting out shitty modern foods"? I was under the impression a paleo diet is fairly specific, and also cuts out more than just "shitty modern foods".

The core of the subject is specific as far as category, ie unprocessed meats, vegetables, fruit, and nuts. There are many variants and takes on it out there, and from sampling the information from many of them for quite some time the common thread is avoidance of most shit you find on supermarket shelves, which is good advice.

I don't personally agree with the way some advocates approach the subject, by declaring unequivocally aspects of the evolutionary approach to diet as scientific fact, any more than I do with the way some people are so set against the idea simply because they don't like hearing that their fucking Wheaties are bad for them.

 

[Endo]

Dude... MDA really thinks grains contain poisons and is going to become the next Hitler or something...

 

[Oblivian]

The core of the subject is specific as far as category, ie unprocessed meats, vegetables, fruit, and nuts. There are many variants and takes on it out there, and from sampling the information from many of them for quite some time the common thread is avoidance of most shit you find on supermarket shelves, which is good advice.

I don't personally agree with the way some advocates approach the subject, by declaring unequivocally aspects of the evolutionary approach to diet as scientific fact, any more than I do with the way some people are so set against the idea simply because they don't like hearing that their fucking Wheaties are bad for them.

This sounds like common sense to me. I always thought paleo enthusiasts took it much further.

 

[fat_wilhelm]

Take the coconut oil out of your PWO meal.

 

[Clam Section]

Foods that paleolithic people did NOT have access to:

1 Tsp olive oil 40 cals
Peanut Butter 200 cals
Asian Garlic Hot Sauce 15 cals
Protein Shake (1.5 scoops) 180 cals
Olive Oil 2 tbsp 240 cals
Coconut Oil 100 cals
Brown Rice 1/2 cup 100 cals
Protein Powder (1 scoop) 120 cals
Flaxseed Oil (3 tbsp) 360 cals
_________

Overall Calories NOT "Paleo": 1,355 calories

At least 45% of your calories come from sources unknown to the paleolithic era.

Paleo people also didn't have internet access. Surprisingly, that hasn't stopped Paleo diet cultists from posting unproven diet advice on internet forums.

 

[immovablestone]

This sounds like common sense to me. I always thought paleo enthusiasts took it much further.

Many do, which is where the conflict comes in. In the end, in my opinion, what I mentioned above is an avenue of consumption that happens to be beneficial to your health when compared to the typical modern diet, but people get all ornery when others get self righteous about it.

 

[Endo]

Many do, which is where the conflict comes in. In the end, in my opinion, what I mentioned above is an avenue of consumption that happens to be beneficial to your health when compared to the typical modern diet, but people get all ornery when others get self righteous about it.

Anything that is remotely healthy and unprocessed would be considered beneficial to a typical modern diet. So technically nothing there supports paleo as being an extraordinary, from that aspect.

I think my main beef with paleo is, that people try to justify it by looking at our ancestral history, which is retarded. Also that many of these paleo advocates (like Wolf and MDA), completely disregard any scientific evidence that does not support their theory/opinions. And the amount of "power" they give to insulin and the glycemic effect on fat storage, even though there is evidence out there that disproves it. (Glycaemic index effects on fuel partitioning in hu... [Obes Rev. 2006] - PubMed result)

Besides all of that, I think paleo is just extreme, with extremist opinions. They don't look at context, and they don't look at things with the perspective of an open mind. Their disregaurd for other opinions and science is just fucking bullshit, and shows that they have no clue what they're talking about. If you cannot except and study the opposing science, how can your form a generalization for everyone (which is wrong in itself...)?

That's why I like Lyle McDonald; he looks on both sides of the fence, and without bias. Something every paleo advocate has failed to do, from what I've seen.

 

[immovablestone]

Anything that is remotely healthy and unprocessed would be considered beneficial to a typical modern diet. So technically nothing there supports paleo as being an extraordinary, from that aspect.

I don't think it's that extraordinary, personally. When I first stumbled onto it I was like "Well, duh, of course hunter gatherers didn't eat fucking extruded wheat and corn syrup..." They also lead more active lives, too, which is better for you, and also in the "no shit" category. It honestly didn't impress me much and is largely common sense.

I think my main beef with paleo is, that people try to justify it by looking at our ancestral history, which is retarded.

I agree with you there, I have such a beef with anthropology and such it's insane, but I'm also an asshat.

Also that many of these paleo advocates (like Wolf and MDA), completely disregard any scientific evidence that does not support their theory/opinions. And the amount of "power" they give to insulin and the glycemic effect on fat storage, even though there is evidence out there that disproves it. (Glycaemic index effects on fuel partitioning in hu... [Obes Rev. 2006] - PubMed result)

You can also look at evidence that "proves" it. You can do this with any debatable subject.

Besides all of that, I think paleo is just extreme, with extremist opinions. They don't look at context, and they don't look at things with the perspective of an open mind. Their disregaurd for other opinions and science is just fucking bullshit, and shows that they have no clue what they're talking about. If you cannot except and study the opposing science, how can your form a generalization for everyone (which is wrong in itself...)?

Vehement haters of paleo do the same things, for the same reasons, and neither side admits it. Its a vicious cycle.

That's why I like Lyle McDonald; he looks on both sides of the fence, and without bias.

I like quite a few of them, personally, specially those with opposing views. They're all trying to figure out the same thing in the end

 

[Endo]

You can also look at evidence that "proves" it. You can do this with any debatable subject.

I've yet to see anything that I would call conclusive. I've seen a ton that support the opposing theory, yet have very shitty testing protocols, or have been misinterpreted.

If you have a good research write up or study, I'm always down to read something opposing my current beliefs, with an open mind.

Vehement haters of paleo do the same things, for the same reasons, and neither side admits it. Its a vicious cycle.

I completely agree with you on that. Any extremist is wrong, regardless of which side you're on. Context is always the main factor and any extremist opinion, from either view, fails to recognize this.

That's why I said I'm a Lyle fan. I do believe he goes into a subject with an unbiased opinion, and I've yet to see him not do so.

I try to stray away from bias, extremism, etc. because I know it's wrong. I try to approach things with an open mind, but with what I've seen demonstrated for the paleo crowd, I am not a fan, nor am I impressed.

 

[turbozed]

Adequate protein - at least 1g per pound of body weight daily.

I generally agree with your nutritional philosophy but 'at least 1g per pound of body weight daily' is an excessive recommendation, even for those looking to increase muscle mass. The few studies done on this suggest that muscle protein synthesis won't decrease if you cut it down to 1g per lbs of lean body mass or even 1g per kg of body weight. If that's adequate for muscle, then the rest of that protein is just being used for energy. And protein is generally the most expensive and inconvenient of the macronutrients (hence the popularity of protein shakes).

The one advantage I see of high protein intakes is for people with weight issues where willpower and overeating is a factor. Protein seems to trigger the most satiety out of the macronutrients and will provide calorie-for-calorie more 'fullness.' This is good for losing weight.

 

[Endo]

I generally agree with your nutritional philosophy but 'at least 1g per pound of body weight daily' is an excessive recommendation, even for those looking to increase muscle mass. The few studies done on this suggest that muscle protein synthesis won't decrease if you cut it down to 1g per lbs of lean body mass or even 1g per kg of body weight. If that's adequate for muscle, then the rest of that protein is just being used for energy. And protein is generally the most expensive and inconvenient of the macronutrients (hence the popularity of protein shakes).

The one advantage I see of high protein intakes is for people with weight issues where willpower and overeating is a factor. Protein seems to trigger the most satiety out of the macronutrients and will provide calorie-for-calorie more 'fullness.' This is good for losing weight.

I agree with everything you put there. This quote was from a thread I posted in about bulking, and I've seen studies backing lower portions of protein and higher, so I stick with an amount that I consider "safe". It's my "cover your ass" tactic for when in doubt. :icon_chee

Lyle McDonald did a pretty good write-up on suggested protein amounts, but I'd have to dig it up.

When I was actually re-posting that in this thread, I was typing that next to it "(debatable topic)", but was interrupted at work. :icon_lol:

 

[Envy]

Your "3000 calorie Low Carb Paleo diet" isn't 3000 calories, isn't low carb, and isn't paleo.

 

[Endo]

Lmao...

 

[Regalius]

Take the coconut oil out of your PWO meal.

Does it matter? will it be stored as fat, b/c i have the carbs with it? I guess i'll eat the full potato and leave out the oil.

So much heat around this "Paleo" topic i should've just asked how my diet looked and called it "Primal" or some shit.

Again, anyone else have a diet to post? I want some more ideas.

 

[Endo]

I posted a general rubric to healthy eating; what more do you really need?

 

[Regalius]

I posted a general rubric to healthy eating; what more do you really need?

You to have your period already and lose the bitchiness.

 

[fat_wilhelm]

Does it matter? will it be stored as fat, b/c i have the carbs with it? I guess i'll eat the full potato and leave out the oil.

Fat is generally excluded from PWO meals because it can slow digestion at a time you want everything to be fairly quick. It won't lead to fat storage. How much does it really matter? Who knows, but it would probably be prudent to keep fats out of your pre/peri/post nutrition for the sake of nutrient uptake efficiency.

Then again, if you just enjoy a good spoonful of coconut oil after a workout, then by all means, go for it.

 

[IDRISCKY]

Fat is generally excluded from PWO meals because it can slow digestion at a time you want everything to be fairly quick. It won't lead to fat storage. How much does it really matter? Who knows, but it would probably be prudent to keep fats out of your pre/peri/post nutrition for the sake of nutrient uptake efficiency.

Then again, if you just enjoy a good spoonful of coconut oil after a workout, then by all means, go for it.

Any reason you only told him to take the coconut oil out and didn't mention the olive oil?

 

[fat_wilhelm]

Any reason you only told him to take the coconut oil out and didn't mention the olive oil?

No, I just overlooked it. Take the olive oil out, too.

 

[sickc0d3r]

TS your diet is very much not paleo, but you have figured that out by now.

For what its worth, I have been trying to eat paleo for a month or so. I changed my diet, which contained a lot of dairy and a small amount of grains and tubers before, to try and lean out while retaining strength and endurance for training... seems to be working as I have lost a few pounds and my body comp has improved. And I feel really good and focused most days.

A typical eating day for me:

Early morning:
--Ground beef sauteed with onions topped with 3 fried eggs
--Tea
Mid-day:
--Banana, apple, orange, or other similar fruit
--Can of sardines or smoked oysters or tuna
--Tea or water
PWO:
--Handful of raw almonds mixed with dried fruit and coconut
Or
endamame
--Water
Evening:
--3/4 to 1lb Steak (usually fatty like a ribeye or flank steak)
Or
Chicken thighs and drumsticks
Or
Fatty fish
--Spinach wilted, steamed broccolli, steamed asparagus, or other leafy veggie steamed with a natural flavoring like garlic or lemon
--Avocado
--Tea