Media Every Mirko Crocop Finish Ever

[Adebisi]

Is this the bum that got finished by Brendan Schaub?

 

[bunt]

My favorite Mirko performance ever. Really shows how impressive he was. Made Remy look like he didn't belong. Imagine him vs Gane or Tuivasa lol.

Wow. Never knew he stopped Remy, that's a great win.

 

[Shilajit]

He couldn't handle the UFC. He did good before and even after his UFC stint. But when he was under those bright lights he proved how overrated Pride HW's were.

Pride had the best HW's. That only really started changing around 2009 when JDS, Cain, even Lesnar emerged. Overeem went up to HW, etc.

But, for many years Pride had a monopoly on the best talent In multiple divisions.

For crocop specifically, there's a few factors that led to his disastrous UFC run. He'd been fighting for 11 years by the time he reached the UFC. Which Is when most fighters tend to start declining. His style was best suited and adapted to the ring and he didn't adapt to the cage, strategic difference of open space and utilization of elbows. The size of opponents Is another factor. Crocop is realistically a natural LHW or even MW( by today's standards).

All that being said, there's no question that he was a shadow of himself In terms of technique and ability by the time he'd reached the UFC.

To say Pride HW's were overrated is a little ridiculous. Nogueira choked out Tim Sylvia who'd just lost the title, dominated Couture who was also just e champion. Werdum ended up becoming champ and one of the most accomplished fighters In the division. Even Mark hunt had a ton of success.

The division definitely evolved but It really wasn't until after the acquisition of pride that we started seeing new talent that could even challenge the old gaurd.

 

[TheBulge]

Pride had the best HW's. That only really started changing around 2009 when JDS, Cain, even Lesnar emerged. Overeem went up to HW, etc.

But, for many years Pride had a monopoly on the best talent In multiple divisions.

For crocop specifically, there's a few factors that led to his disastrous UFC run. He'd been fighting for 11 years by the time he reached the UFC. Which Is when most fighters tend to start declining. His style was best suited and adapted to the ring and he didn't adapt to the cage, strategic difference of open space and utilization of elbows. The size of opponents Is another factor. Crocop is realistically a natural LHW or even MW( by today's standards).

All that being said, there's no question that he was a shadow of himself In terms of technique and ability by the time he'd reached the UFC.

To say Pride HW's were overrated is a little ridiculous. Nogueira choked out Tim Sylvia who'd just lost the title, dominated Couture who was also just e champion. Werdum ended up becoming champ and one of the most accomplished fighters In the division. Even Mark hunt had a ton of success.

The division definitely evolved but It really wasn't until after the acquisition of pride that we started seeing new talent that could even challenge the old gaurd.

He had the best performances of his career literally less than 5 months before he went into the UFC, fanboy. Of course it would help you sleep better at night claiming he was past his prime overnight but that's not reality.

Stick to the theory that he couldn't deal with elbows, the cage etc. because the rest of your excuses are nonsensical.

 

[Shilajit]

He had the best performances of his career literally less than 5 months before he went into the UFC, fanboy. Of course it would help you sleep better at night claiming he was past his prime overnight but that's not reality.

Stick to the theory that he couldn't deal with elbows, the cage etc. because the rest of your excuses are nonsensical.

They're not excuses. I could care less how well Crocop did or didn't do In the UFC at this point.

There's simply a more Intelligent and objective way for breaking down why a fighter didn't perform up to the standard they've set In the past than simply saying "they were never that good".

His style was definitely suited and adapted to the ring, he was one of many fighters that underestimated the strategic difference of such open space, the cage and elbows. All his fights took place In a ring, which is more significant than a lot of people realize.

Gonzaga also pulled off one of the greatest upsets In the history of combat sports. Was he the more skilled fighter? or was this a freak moment that could never really be repeated. Was crocop ever the same after that? Was that the start of his downfall?

There's a lot of questions. I tend to think It was a combination of factors.

Crocop didn't perform to the standard, level of technique and ability we've seen from him at his peak of pride and kickboxing and the reason Isn't because the UFC hw's were too good.

 

[TheBulge]

They're not excuses. I could care less how well Crocop did or didn't do In the UFC at this point.

You clearly care a lot about the perceptions.

There's simply a more Intelligent and objective way for breaking down why a fighter didn't perform up to the standard they've set In the past than simply saying "they were never that good".

He was good for his time, that fab 3 was. But they never evolved and became relics of the past, so indeed they weren't good enough to hang with the next generation.

The ones who did evolve and were open minded enough to change were guys like Werdum, Overeem, Rua, even Hunt became a decent journeyman once he switched camps and learned how to grapple.

Nog learned how to sit down on his punches but way too late, and Cro Cop too was far too late with the elbows and GnP. Fedor never changed at all.

His style was definitely suited and adapted to the ring, he was one of many fighters that underestimated the strategic difference of such open space, the cage and elbows. All his fights took place In a ring, which is more significant than a lot of people realize.

Keep explaining exactly why he wasn't good enough and then whine about me pointing out how he wasn't good enough.

Gonzaga also pulled off one of the greatest upsets In the history of combat sports. Was he the more skilled fighter? or was this a freak moment that could never really be repeated. Was crocop ever the same after that? Was that the start of his downfall?

Gonzaga beat the shit out Cro Cop the whole fight and it was far from a freak occurence. Rewatch the fight.

Just make sure you got an appointment with the shrink planned ahead.

 

[The Reed]

But when he was under those bright lights he proved how overrated Pride HW's were.

I mean they kinda were, because they didn't completely wipe the floor with the UFC competition but even with that in mind, history shows PRIDE HW's were better and lasted longer than their UFC counterparts.

 

[Sivo The Ram]

K-1 & Pride basically handed out PEDs

and i loved it!

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Hard not to be a fan of his with the most legendary LHK of all time, just ironic he might have been a victim of the worse LHK of all time when Gonzaga folded him with a kick from hell.

 

[Ace70 V2]

Probably one of the best mma videos ever made due to the source material.

 

[Bullitt68]

There never was, never has been, and might never again be anyone like Cro Cop. He has a HL reel like nobody else's, and he created a palpable sense of fear and anticipation - in both opponents and fans - whenever he stepped into the ring like precious few others ever. The speed, the power, and the technique - just a terrifying person to have standing across from you.

Since Cro Cop is my favorite fighter of all-time behind Ken Shamrock, the 2006 OWGP is the pinnacle of my MMA fandom, just a glorious experience watching him run through the competition. But when he LHKd Wand in the semi-finals, I had like 10 people over and I was looking down a row of friends talking to one of them and my eyes were averted when the kick landed. To some, this might seem like a tragedy - I missed Cro Cop's last great LHK - but I've always loved the fact that I got to see an entire row of my friends' eyes pop out of their heads and jaws open in unison. I've rewatched that fight millions of time, but seeing my friends react to Cro Cop's LHK was a once-in-a-lifetime experience that I'm glad I got to see.

 

[Brom Bones]

Joe Rogan is the KING of wildly speculating about injuries.

 

[Shilajit]

You clearly care a lot about the perceptions.



He was good for his time, that fab 3 was. But they never evolved and became relics of the past, so indeed they weren't good enough to hang with the next generation.

The ones who did evolve and were open minded enough to change were guys like Werdum, Overeem, Rua, even Hunt became a decent journeyman once he switched camps and learned how to grapple.

Nog learned how to sit down on his punches but way too late, and Cro Cop too was far too late with the elbows and GnP. Fedor never changed at all.



Keep explaining exactly why he wasn't good enough and then whine about me pointing out how he wasn't good enough.



Gonzaga beat the shit out Cro Cop the whole fight and it was far from a freak occurence. Rewatch the fight.

Just make sure you got an appointment with the shrink planned ahead.

You're obviously far too biased and emotionally attached to your hate fueled views to even be rational.

Considering the current state of the HW division, I think you're a little confused as to much the division actually evolved.

Crocop had been fighting for 11 years by the time he'd hit the UFC. 11 years of sparring, damage, knockouts, Injuries, age. In terms of fight years, he was a fossil. It's unlikely someone like that Is going to adapt and evolve their game, especially having spent most of their career Inside a ring. Fedor also started declining / became stagnant In his growth after 9-10 years In the sport. This is what happens.. doesn't matter who you are.

Most fighters only have a few short years of performing at their absolute peak. That's the reality of combat sports and always has been.

By the time the next generation came around in MMA, most of the old gaurd were battle weary soldiers at the tail end of their careers.

Crocop was a probably a perfect storm, a combination of factors which led to his eventual downfall In the UFC.

That being said, It's silly to disregard his skillset and all time status In MMA.

Fighters should be judged based on their performances and skillset at their absolute peak. Not during their downfalls.

We don't judge BJ Penn by his loss to Clay Guida. We don't judge Anderson Silva by his absurd loss streak. We don't judge Cain by his embarrassing loss to werdum, Ngannou and subsequent retirement. We don't judge Ali by his loss to Larry Holmes.

You judge them at their very best. Which only takes place for a short time.


The way you think Is just childish and you have no respect for martial artists, fighters or the greats of history.

It's likely you didn't start watching MMA until after pride had been dissolved and live In some strange, biased, hate fueled chamber as a result.

 

[TheBulge]

You're obviously far too biased and emotionally attached to your hate fueled views to even be rational.

Considering the current state of the HW division, I think you're a little confused as to much the division actually evolved.

Crocop had been fighting for 11 years by the time he'd hit the UFC. 11 years of sparring, damage, knockouts, Injuries, age. In terms of fight years, he was a fossil. It's unlikely someone like that Is going to adapt and evolve their game, especially having spent most of their career Inside a ring. Fedor also started declining / became stagnant In his growth after 9-10 years In the sport. This is what happens.. doesn't matter who you are.

Most fighters only have a few short years of performing at their absolute peak. That's the reality of combat sports and always has been.

By the time the next generation came around in MMA, most of the old gaurd were battle weary soldiers at the tail end of their careers.

Crocop was a probably a perfect storm, a combination of factors which led to his eventual downfall In the UFC.

That being said, It's silly to disregard his skillset and all time status In MMA.

Fighters should be judged based on their performances and skillset at their absolute peak. Not during their downfalls.

We don't judge BJ Penn by his loss to Clay Guida. We don't judge Anderson Silva by his absurd loss streak. We don't judge Cain by his embarrassing loss to werdum, Ngannou and subsequent retirement. We don't judge Ali by his loss to Larry Holmes.

You judge them at their very best. Which only takes place for a short time.


The way you think Is just childish and you have no respect for martial artists, fighters or the greats of history.

It's likely you didn't start watching MMA until after pride had been dissolved and live In some strange, biased, hate fueled chamber as a result.

You're a broken record and are offering nothing new in this debate. Just because you keep typing out the same excuses it doesn't give you any credibility, you just sound like a demented fanboy who can't accept reality. Doesn't sound like someone who "could care less" about Cro Cop's UFC run, in fact you still sound obsessed all these years later.

Case in point, I pointed out Cro Cop was at the absolute peak of his career only 4 months before his UFC run and you've conveniently ignored it twice now. Because that fact actually holds merit and destroys your argument.

Yes, you should judge fighters at their very best. And Cro Cop, Fedor and Nogueira etc. were at their best when we saw their spectacular downfalls post-Pride. Give that shrink my regards.

 

[Shilajit]

You're a broken record and are offering nothing new in this debate. Just because you keep typing out the same excuses it doesn't give you any credibility, you just sound like a demented fanboy who can't accept reality.

Case in point, I pointed out Cro Cop was at the absolute peak of his career only 4 months before his UFC run and you've conveniently ignored it twice now. Because that fact actually holds merit and destroys your argument.

Yes, you should judge fighters at their very best. And Cro Cop, Fedor and Nogueira etc. were at their best when we saw their spectacular downfalls post-Pride. Give that shrink my regards.

I don't exist In your strange, mentally ill, hate fueled, echo chamber existence. Doesn't mean I'm In love with Crocop.


He was probably around his peak when he fought Fedor and before It. Fastest, sharpest, most technically sound, In his physical prime.

What makes you so confident that 2006 was his physical and fighting prime? beating an old, one dimensional yoshida who boxed him up, a declining Wanderlei? Beating Barnett who he'd beaten twice before and was the essentially perfect style matchup to beat?

It fits your confirmation bias but the reality to anyone who's capable of judging technical ability, It wasn't the best we've seen from him.

After 10 years of combat sports, the vast majority of athletes either start declining physically, mentally, technically, or they stagnate In their growth and change very little. That's the reality that can be seen unanimously and ubiquitously across all combat sports.

Even In the Eddie Sanchez fight, was that the same precise, technical sniper and counter fighter that we seen years prior? No. Was he still good? Absolutely. Was that the best version of crocop? Was that the same level of striking we seen during his k1 days or In the lead up to his fight with Fedor? No and It wasn't because Eddie Sanchez was some juggernaut.

Again, there's probably many reasons for that that make a lot more sense and are grounded In reality than your biased, hate fueled take that Crocop was never that good. People have even said It's because he wasn't using like he was In pride, that's also possible ( although realistically there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to)

This is all your own confirmation bias. You will judge fighters by their low moments because It fits your hate fueled narrative. You hate pride fighters. Probably because you didn't start watching until the org was dead. That's the reality here.

People do the same thing with all time UFC greats like BJ, even In boxing. It's the same energy from a select group of fans who have no respect for the game.

 

[TheBulge]

I don't exist In your strange, mentally ill, hate fueled, echo chamber existence. Doesn't mean I'm In love with Crocop.


He was probably around his peak when he fought Fedor and before It. Fastest, sharpest, most technically sound, In his physical prime.

What makes you so confident that 2006 was his physical and fighting prime? beating an old, one dimensional yoshida who boxed him up, a declining Wanderlei? Beating Barnett who he'd beaten twice before and was the essentially perfect style matchup to beat?

It fits your confirmation bias but the reality to anyone who's capable of judging technical ability, It wasn't the best we've seen from him.

After 10 years of combat sports, the vast majority of athletes either start declining physically, mentally, technically, or they stagnate In their growth and change very little. That's the reality that can be seen unanimously and ubiquitously across all combat sports.

Even In the Eddie Sanchez fight, was that the same precise, technical sniper and counter fighter that we seen years prior? No. Was he still good? Absolutely. Was that the best version of crocop? Was that the same level of striking we seen during his k1 days or In the lead up to his fight with Fedor? No and It wasn't because Eddie Sanchez was some juggernaut.

Again, there's probably many reasons for that that make a lot more sense and are grounded In reality than your biased, hate fueled take that Crocop was never that good. People have even said It's because he wasn't using like he was In pride, that's also possible ( although realistically there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to)

This is all your own confirmation bias. You will judge fighters by their low moments because It fits your hate fueled narrative. You hate pride fighters. Probably because you didn't start watching until the org was dead. That's the reality here.

People do the same thing with all time UFC greats like BJ, even In boxing. It's the same energy from a select group of fans who have no respect for the game.

For a fighter worshipping stalker with no life, who has to live vicariously through fighters who don't give a shit about your pathetic existence and would be creeped out-not flattered by your inane obsession, and who boasts about being around and watching during their times(I doubt you've been watching longer than me) you sure know very little about the timeframes and thoughts at specific times.

It has always been clearly established that Cro Cop in that tourney was at his very best. Just use the eye test yourself, you utter imbecile. Watch the way Cro Cop moves and counters Wanderlei, how quick his footwork is, his crazy reaction time and hand eye coordination, how swift that LHK landed. Yes, Barnett, possibly his best win. Only a turd of all turds would claim that man was past his prime. You're only downplaying it because it ruins your claim that Cro Cop was past his prime 4 months later in the UFC. LOL. Absolute nonsense from a mouth breathing lunatic.

Never said Cro Cop was never any good. I said he was good for his own primitive time, but the game passed him by and he was too unevolved and limited for the game to catch up. Better, superior fighters came along. You can claim whatever you want online but you are gonna go to your lonely grave knowing that your BS never caught on outside your little circle jerk of weirdo's who refuse to let go of the past.
Pride always dies.

 

[Shilajit]

For a fighter worshipping stalker with no life, who has to live vicariously through fighters who don't give a shit about your pathetic existence and would be creeped out-not flattered by your inane obsession, and who boasts about being around and watching during their times(I doubt you've been watching longer than me) you sure know very little about the timeframes and thoughts at specific times.

It has always been clearly established that Cro Cop in that tourney was at his very best. Just use the eye test yourself, you utter imbecile. Watch the way Cro Cop moves and counters Wanderlei, how quick his footwork is, his crazy reaction time and hand eye coordination, how swift that LHK landed. Yes, Barnett, possibly his best win. Only a turd of all turds would claim that man was past his prime. You're only downplaying it because it ruins your claim that Cro Cop was past his prime 4 months later in the UFC. LOL. Absolute nonsense from a mouth breathing lunatic.

Never said Cro Cop was never any good. I said he was good for his own primitive time, but the game passed him by and he was too unevolved and limited for the game to catch up. Better, superior fighters came along. You can claim whatever you want online but you are gonna go to your lonely grave knowing that your BS never caught on outside your little circle jerk of weirdo's who refuse to let go of the past.
Pride always dies.

The way you think and your level of respect for this game utterly sickens me.

I can almost see your disgusting physiognomy through the screen.

People like you are everything that's wrong with the MMA community. Would be shocked if you've even seen the Inside of a gym.

Anyways, you obviously know more and have more experience than anyone In this thread. You have all the answers. You are a beacon of MMA analysis. Well done.

 

[Shilajit]

It's different under those yankee lights. These folks aren't submissive and clap for trash fights like in Japan, stadium or not. Sometimes it gets tribal and you get shitbirds talking smack from the stands. Some can deal with it others can't. The octagon and fence and no corners indeed too, it brings a different intensity. It got a lot of Pride fighters shook, once they fought in a cage they looked like they were fighting for their lives in there. Fedor especially. Too wild, their minds weren't right. The 'murican cages ate them up.

Pride always dies.

The way you think and the level of respect Is truly something to behold.

I doubt there's a single pro who would share the same sentiment.

could I ask what your level of experience is? Because that would explain a lot.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[TheBulge]

The way you think and the level of respect Is truly something to behold.

I doubt there's a single pro who would share the same sentiment.

could I ask what your level of experience is? Because that would explain a lot.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

It won't compare to the level of experience and wisdom of the shithead who has an Andrew Tate avatar. Go ahead and teach us about life, we're dying to hear it. Not unlike your Cro Cop arguments that died off in this thread. Hey, don't get too upset over it, it happens. You stepped out of bounds and got checked, it happens. I'm sure your life coach Tate can help you with that.

 

[Dorkman]

More like every execution

One of the greatest - perhaps the greatest - staredown of all time:

Wanderlei usually won the staredown. But not that time. His intimidation game was completely ineffective against a literal trained killer. What was wanderlei going to threaten him with, punches and kicks?