Escaping side-mount help...

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by BobSacamano, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. BobSacamano

    BobSacamano White Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2008
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    0
    Besides finding myself on my back most of the class...I am noticing alot of guys, especially the blues like to work from sidemount more than full.

    Because I am wide and have a big rib cage I tend to want them full. I can either upa them off or at least keep them off balance to get anything effective going. But when someone is side on me...forget it.

    Normally I try and get one arm against their neck and the other down by their legs/hips. I am not skilled enough to swing a leg "in" so I upa and try to work the leg in little by little...upa...leg...upa...leg...I get nowhere.

    I am still a noob and from what I hear it is a tough spot to escape but the only "escape" I have learned is the upa/try and work the leg through.

    Anything else I could try? I am constantly on my back, I might as well learn to defend from there...
     
  2. TalkShowOnMute

    TalkShowOnMute dancingonthecorpsesashes

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2004
    Messages:
    5,913
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Houston
    Jailbreak is your friend. :) It's not the only one I use but it is my favorite to regain half guard/butterfly.
     
  3. SMillard

    SMillard Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    8,553
    Likes Received:
    3,282
    Location:
    America's wang
    I can think of a few and would love to explain them to you but would probably butcher it. Go to youtube and type in keywords sidemount escape. It should be productive.

    One I will try to explain is lets say you are on your back and they are on your left side with his right hand toward your head, you want the upa up to create space and instead of coming back down snake your left out away from them and bring your body in his belly your back north south position. Now when you do this you want to shoot in and pin your head to the outside of his right thigh and gable grip around the thigh.

    From there you reach for his right foot with your right hand and pull the leg toward you between his legs and begin driving/scrambling to his right as he goes over start moving your legs in a counter clockwise direction and this should give you a top side control position.

    Key things is pinning your head to his thigh to avoid guillotine chock or him opening distance and collapsing on you and when you grab for the foot and drive do it quickly and put pressure on the foot by grabbing it as though you are applying a toe hold.

    Hope this helps, I'm sure there are comperable examples on youtube, also go to Lockflow.com, they have a video section that is divided by position.

    Good luck
     
  4. Trickster***

    Trickster*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    1,778
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Is "having a big rib cage" code for being overweight?? I dont think Ive ever heard someone say they have a big rib cage...
     
  5. tucker713

    tucker713 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2006
    Messages:
    895
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here is a good video:

    <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9S3nDygvk6A&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9S3nDygvk6A&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
     
  6. BobSacamano

    BobSacamano White Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2008
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think I am still overweight, but when I started in Jan I was 240...I am now 210. I just said that cause the guys at class always say they hate mounting me and have to act fast cause they can't get a good base. But they also call me a fat bastard, so who knows. :icon_chee
     
  7. Ninjamurf

    Ninjamurf Handing out lollipops for over 3 decades

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2003
    Messages:
    3,381
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    San Diego
    LOL. I have a "large ribcage" as well. I've actually starting calling it my "anti-mount device."
     
  8. letsgotribe9

    letsgotribe9 Guest

    That's a pretty good video. Thanks.
     
  9. BobSacamano

    BobSacamano White Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2008
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, good video. I will be studying it at work tomorrow and hopefully try em out tomorrow night.
     
  10. SLaKKJaW

    SLaKKJaW Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2001
    Messages:
    881
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Riverside, CA
    One thing I always have to teach new guys is never, never, never be flat. Make sure if you're on your 'back' that you're really always 'on a hip', facing your opponent. That might help you.

    Another thing is that you don't always move yourself into position and you don't always move them into position. Usually it's a little of both. But no matter what position you're in, you can control something. If moving them doesn't work... try moving yourself.
     
  11. FWTG

    FWTG Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    635
    Likes Received:
    1
    Little bumps to get underhook. Shoot up with underhook push off and shrimp to get knee in then shrimp agian to regain guard. Nice high percentage.

    www.freebjjinstructionals.com has about 5-6 sidemout escape variations. Check it out!
     
  12. StudentLoan

    StudentLoan Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2006
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Toronto
    One piece of advice that I found incredibly useful was don't relax into the position then try your escapes. Most people relax and let the person on top setup their side mount before they mount a defense. As soon as they go to side start doing what you feel you need to do before the setup their side completely. Don't fall into the trap of turn based grappling!

    Good luck.
     
  13. FLMikeATT

    FLMikeATT Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    1,673
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    I like to mix in the Jailbreak along with the normal escapes. There are two versions of it. In one, you use the hand that frames on your opponents collar/neck area and use it to pull your leg into half butterfly. The other version is a little bit riskier because you use the hand that rests on your opponents hip to pull your leg into half butterfly. If you aren't quick with it, your opponent will go around to N/S because the hand is no longer blocking the hip.
     
  14. mmyers

    mmyers Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
    GI or no Gi?

    One thing that works is get a grip on your opponent and bridge turning into him a bit and putting force in his direction, he will respond by pushing force back on you, you use this momentum to roll him right over. This puts you in side control of him or you can quickly gain a full mount or go for an armbar.
     
  15. Evaristo Medrano

    Evaristo Medrano Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2005
    Messages:
    1,951
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Texas
    NUff SAID KID !

    <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7lxafCrBvq0&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7lxafCrBvq0&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
     
  16. letsgotribe9

    letsgotribe9 Guest

    Not many videos out there showing what you should do once you get caught flat on your back. Most videos just say 'don't be flat'. That is easier said than done. Thanks for the vid.
     
  17. LocalNmass

    LocalNmass Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    923
    Likes Received:
    1
    once your flat, your going to have to spend energy, bumping-shrimping-bumping-shrimping, it becomes a battle of attrition. For practice shrimp in a circle, use a big bump between each big shrimp.

    I dont have a large rib cage, or a 6 pack, but more like a mini keg @ one time i preffered being mounted to escape, but once you go against guys who know how to keep it, its a terrible habit you will want to break quickly
     
  18. King Creatine

    King Creatine Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,847
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Utah
    This is the one I use. When doing the 'little bumps' or 'upa' working for underhook, I also try turning into him so I'm on one of my hips. Makes it easier to get that knee in once you have underhook.
     
  19. hamilton

    hamilton Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Cincinnati/Columbus
    your first mistake is making it sound like being on your back is a bad thing.

    being on your back is the best thing in the world son. you wanna be good. learn to love being on your back and learn how to control your opponent. the rest will flood into your brain.
     
  20. DirectDrive

    DirectDrive Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2003
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    outskirts of life
    esacpes are good but you don't want to have to use them.
    your problem is you are getting your guard passed. a lot of beginners put a lot of emphasis on the guard and work it hard, but give up the second it is passed. this is where you should be fighting harder..... right as they pass. that's when you make sure you aren't flat and turn on your hip to face them. put your elbow to you knee to make a barrier, watch for the crossface, shrimp, work to get an underhook so you can go to your knees and sit to guard.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.