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Elvis is ridiculously overrated

no he wasn't, he earned a following. Then, he came to the attention of the colonel who had bigger ideas when he saw the crowd reaction. The story goes, Elvis wanders into Sun Studios, gets recorded their months later on a fluke lark by the owner and releasing a huge local hit that's played back to back, then, of course the live shows where the girls went nuts. If you call the colonel seeing this "scouting" then he was scouted but that's how it happened. The colonel, as bad as he was, did actually help break Elvis out of the small time which Elvis spent the rest of his life dealing with loyalty issues afterwards.
Yes, Elvis Presley was "discovered" in 1954 by Sam Phillips, the founder of Sun Records in Memphis, Tennessee. Seeking a unique sound, Phillips auditioned the 19-year-old Presley, later guiding him to record "That's All Right," which launched his career. Phillips sold Elvis's contract to RCA in 1955.


Key details of the discovery:
Initial Visit: Elvis first visited the Memphis Recording Service (Sun Studio) in 1953 to record songs for his mother, where receptionist Marion Keisker first noted his name.
 
Yes, Elvis Presley was "discovered" in 1954 by Sam Phillips, the founder of Sun Records in Memphis, Tennessee. Seeking a unique sound, Phillips auditioned the 19-year-old Presley, later guiding him to record "That's All Right," which launched his career. Phillips sold Elvis's contract to RCA in 1955.


Key details of the discovery:
Initial Visit: Elvis first visited the Memphis Recording Service (Sun Studio) in 1953 to record songs for his mother, where receptionist Marion Keisker first noted his name.
However you want to slice it, "scouting" makes it sound like Elvis had nothing to do with his own life. Not the case.

Also, there has always been a discrepancy about how Elvis was "discovered" and just how much credit anyone deserves. Sam always claimed that he discovered him but the more accurate evidence states that his receptionist was the one who first recorded him and hung out with him. Sam, later, claimed that she lied about that The receptionist also claimed to be the one to show the recording to Sam later and when Sam could not find a certain black singer she put a bug in his ear, "you remember that guy" and Elvis was called. Even still, Sam was not doing anything in the right direction, the story goes he was trying to record something and not getting anything of value and then Elvis starts wailing on That's all Right and the rest is history, or rather, destiny.

Sam always played down Marion's role in Elvis' "discovery" but Elvis certainly didn't. They were both in the military at the same time when they ran into each other again and had a warm reconciliation where Elvis gave her full credit for his career.

It sounded to me like Sam would have never thought of recording Elvis without Marion's prodding. Sam was a genius but more than one person has a part, including the two sidemen.
 
However you want to slice it, "scouting" makes it sound like Elvis had nothing to do with his own life. Not the case.

Also, there has always been a discrepancy about how Elvis was "discovered" and just how much credit anyone deserves. Sam always claimed that he discovered him but the more accurate evidence states that his receptionist was the one who first recorded him and hung out with him. Sam, later, claimed that she lied about that The receptionist also claimed to be the one to show the recording to Sam later and when Sam could not find a certain black singer she put a bug in his ear, "you remember that guy" and Elvis was called. Even still, Sam was not doing anything in the right direction, the story goes he was trying to record something and not getting anything of value and then Elvis starts wailing on That's all Right and the rest is history, or rather, destiny.

My recollection is that he was hired based solely on singing skills, not charisma. There wasn't anything about his presentation that made them think of a star.

like I wrote earlier, his voice is 10/10, but his vocal cords is perhaps 7.5. he¨s by no means a master vocalist in 1956. Maybe he improved like you said.
 
My recollection is that he was hired based solely on singing skills, not charisma. There wasn't anything about his presentation that made them think of a star.

like I wrote earlier, his voice is 10/10, but his vocal cords is perhaps 7.5. he¨s by no means a master vocalist in 1956. Maybe he improved like you said.
he wasn't, it wasn't that he didn't have talent, he was just young. No one starts off great. He was, however, an artist right out the gate. That's the thing that gets forgotten in all the controversy of "was he this, was he that?" His voice was very thin as a young man a did lack power and control, it only got better and better as he aged. It's still the Sun Sessions that get the most credit as his best work in the "serious" Elvis quarters.

In some ways, early success may have been the worst thing in the world. He could have done other things if he'd had the necessity. he could have been a much better instrumentalist and I fimly believe he could have written songs but why do any of that when all you have to do is sing?

We can't ignore him being white either though. Little Richard and Chuck Berry played well, sang well and wrote well and both were at least a few years older and more experienced in the business.

The crazy thing about that era is that several musicians, not knowing each other, all at roughly the same time were coming up with the same type of music, it really is a miracle of sorts. As if it was meant to be.

Elvis was not a songwriter, he was not a great instrumentalist but he was an artist and one that took his craft seriously. He's no Frankie Avalon or teen idol who is more akin to what you are trying to say. There is a reason that Pat Boone and Fabian's music doesn't get played today.
 
The only thing worse than his music are his movies
it's crazy but some people really like his movies. Muhammad Ali spent his last years watching them alot as well as clips of his old self. I had some buddies who claimed his movies were better than his music. Some people liked the silly, escapist fluff. I never really liked his movies, his first few were ok but I can't even say I've watched many of the later ones. He did a lot of damage to his career with them, even the ones that made money. Blue Hawaii was supposedly a huge hit, so, naturally, that's the kind of film they did more of. Flaming Star was a flop and I think they tried a few other times to make serious films. Kid Creole is probably his best film in most people's minds. He did try to make more serious films, but they were outnumbered by the Kissin' Cousins and World Fairs and the rest of the forgettable films.
 
he wasn't, it wasn't that he didn't have talent, he was just young. No one starts off great. He was, however, an artist right out the gate. That's the thing that gets forgotten in all the controversy of "was he this, was he that?" His voice was very thin as a young man a did lack power and control, it only got better and better as he aged. It's still the Sun Sessions that get the most credit as his best work in the "serious" Elvis quarters.

In some ways, early success may have been the worst thing in the world. He could have done other things if he'd had the necessity. he could have been a much better instrumentalist and I fimly believe he could have written songs but why do any of that when all you have to do is sing?

We can't ignore him being white either though. Little Richard and Chuck Berry played well, sang well and wrote well and both were at least a few years older and more experienced in the business.

The crazy thing about that era is that several musicians, not knowing each other, all at roughly the same time were coming up with the same type of music, it really is a miracle of sorts. As if it was meant to be.

Elvis was not a songwriter, he was not a great instrumentalist but he was an artist and one that took his craft seriously. He's no Frankie Avalon or teen idol who is more akin to what you are trying to say. There is a reason that Pat Boone and Fabian's music doesn't get played today.

Very strange mannerism in that Sullivan performance. Super cool guy. Doesnt seem to care. I wonder if this really was his passion. I like his presentation.
 
it's crazy but some people really like his movies. Muhammad Ali spent his last years watching them alot as well as clips of his old self. I had some buddies who claimed his movies were better than his music. Some people liked the silly, escapist fluff. I never really liked his movies, his first few were ok but I can't even say I've watched many of the later ones. He did a lot of damage to his career with them, even the ones that made money. Blue Hawaii was supposedly a huge hit, so, naturally, that's the kind of film they did more of. Flaming Star was a flop and I think they tried a few other times to make serious films. Kid Creole is probably his best film in most people's minds. He did try to make more serious films, but they were outnumbered by the Kissin' Cousins and World Fairs and the rest of the forgettable films.
I always thought it was stupid to have Elvis do cheezy movies singing if he really wanted to be an actor. Turns out he didn't want to sing but his manager insisted to cross promote.
 
I always thought it was stupid to have Elvis do cheezy movies singing if he really wanted to be an actor. Turns out he didn't want to sing but his manager insisted to cross promote.
He wanted a career like Dean and Brando, it was used to manipulate him just like all of us get manipulated by others.
 
He wanted a career like Dean and Brando, it was used to manipulate him just like all of us get manipulated by others.
Sean Connery understood that they need him more than he needs them and was able to leverage his way into new deals and increased pay. But he had a command that they already saw in the screening process that
led him to be cast as James Bond.
 
This is the biggest artist of all time, pound for pound? Explain to me why this person is worthy of cult worshipping.

If he had a face like Gerard Depardue, would he still sell all those albums? and it's not like he's some greek god in the face anyway.


He's like the original Taylor Swift but pre-social media when aura and mystique were 10,000x greater than they are now. He was perhaps the first true pop culture megastar.
 
I own most of.....

The Beatles
Bob Dylan
Robert Johnson
Charley Patton
Tom Waits
Bonnie Raitt
Hank Williams
Lightnin' Hopkins
Bessie Smith
Muddy Waters
and of course Elvis

You cannot talk the history of American music without Elvis.

Books, movies about his life, the cat is legend.

Over rated , you gotta be kidding.
 
I used to think he was overrated but after watching some of his live performances on youtube I got what the fuss was all about. Incredible stage presence and amazing voice. Unlike many performers, his live performances were often better than the studio releases. His charisma was off the charts.
 
I think what you guys meant by hipster" was "contrarian".

No, I'm not a "contrarian". I give praise to most mainstream movie stars of the past. Musicians I do tend to be somewhat of a contrarian.

The Beatles are completely camp to me. I heard a song I liked when they changed their tune. But a lot of their songs are outdated. I can't even imagine the world when they were "in". The fact that they were sex symbols is pure comedy to me, too.
 
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