Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Test Showing "Strong Evidence" of Native American Ancestry

 
M3t4tr0n said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...rump-to-fulfill-1-million-charity-pledge.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...-prove-her-native-american-ancestry-now-what/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/411414-trump-denies-offering-1-million-for-warren-dna-test-even-though-he?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220036610.html

Need more "clickbait" ;)?
Click to expand...
Well Trump is actually telling the truth, he never offered her 1 million dollars to prove she had Native American ancestry....he offered 1 million for her to prove she was an Indian! And I saw nothing of any Indian DNA in that report, she has no ancestors from India.
 
M3t4tr0n said:
Need more "clickbait" ;)?
Click to expand...

No. This first link was a buncha bullshit so I'll gather the others are the same.

How about you post a quote of the proposed bet (i.e. Trump's word), and the source from which it comes? Otherwise, you're just another fart in the wind in this thread.

If you can muster that, then we can see if the parameters of the wager have been met. Maybe check out the stickied bet thread to get a sense of what objective folks consider sufficient for a conclusive ruling.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
No. This first link was a buncha bullshit so I'll gather the others are the same.

How about you post a quote of the proposed bet (i.e. Trump's word), and the source from which it comes? Otherwise, you're just another fart in the wind in this thread.

If you can muster that, then we can see if the parameters of the wager have been met. Maybe check out the stickied bet thread to get a sense of what objective folks consider sufficient for a conclusive ruling.
Click to expand...
I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”
Click to expand...

.................
 
Repost for the dumb-asses who can't read and still insists that Senator Warren is an Indian, base on nothing but the thread title.


Media embrace of Warren’s 1/1,024th heritage an epic failure
By Joe Conch | 10/16/18

​


It's hard to overstate just how spectacularly poor Elizabeth Warren's decision was to tout an analysis of her DNA results showing she is Native American — as in possibly 1/1,024th Native American.

At first glance, on Monday morning — just three weeks out from a crucial midterm election, out of absolutely nowhere — when the progressive heroine decided to go ahead with this announcement, things looked pretty good, at least from a media perspective.

From ABC News: "Elizabeth Warren reveals proof of Native American ancestry"

From CNN: "Elizabeth Warren releases DNA test with 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry"

From The Associated Press: "Sen. Warren: DNA test shows I have Native American heritage"

Vox's Matthew Yglesias asked to his more than 400,000 followers on Twitter, "So is Trump going to pay up?"



"No," flatly responded CNBC chief Washington correspondent John Harwood.



“Trump literally challenged Warren in July to do exactly what she just did," wrote CNN politics editor Eric Bradner.



It should be noted that President Trump did in fact offer the Democratic senator $1 million to take a DNA test. "I will give you a million dollars, to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian," he said at a rally in July.



So here's a simple question — and, if possible, take the names "Trump" and "Warren" out of the equation to gain a more objective response, since both are highly polarizing: If someone shows they are 1/1,024th of anything, is that "strong evidence"? Is it proof? And if it isn't, why were many major media outlets willingly presenting it as such?

The tide on Warren's feel-good narrative began to turn by early afternoon on Monday, however, after the Boston Globe issued its second of two corrections to their original story on Warren's ancestry, citing math errors.


Later in the day, the Cherokee Nation delivered what appeared to be the decisive blow to Warren's claim, calling it "inappropriate" and "a mockery."

"Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong," said Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. in a statement. "It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven."

And, as if conservatives and/or Trump supporters needed any more motivation to get to the polls in three weeks, prominent Democrats such as Obama 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina questioned why Warren would put the party on the defensive following the disastrous confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which ended up being a huge momentum boost for the GOP, if polls showing huge jumps in party enthusiasm are any indication.

The New York Times also jumped on board after the tide shifted, stating: "Liberals, as well as conservatives, said Ms. Warren had still not adequately addressed why she changed her ethnic identity from white to Native American as a law professor in the late 1980s and early 1990s."

Make no mistake, Democrats are worried that its sure-thing blue wave to take back the House and possibly even the Senate is about as sure as Hillary Clinton winning in a landslide in November 2016.

Per a new ABC-Washington Post poll, the blue team now somehow trails the red team by 1 point in 66 toss-up districts on the generic ballot.

Elizabeth Warren is still considered a front-runner in what promises to be a Democratic nomination race that could go as high as 25 candidates.

But Monday's decision to go ahead with a laughable DNA test that only makes her look worse in the places that really matter — where she needs to win, meaning not Massachusetts, New York or California — was one that will follow her throughout the 2020 campaign.

Already, you can see the signs at Trump rallies: "1/1,024th."

As Fox News radio host Guy Benson told "Special Report" host Bret Baier on Monday: "This is an embarrassment, right? It’s an embarrassment for her, it’s an embarrassment for anyone in the media who try to pretend like today’s news was good news for her. ... She’s appealing, ironically, to tribal politics.”

If this is a preview of things to come in the next president election in terms of narrative and media coverage, only two words come to mind: Hot mess.
Click to expand...


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-of-warrens-1-1024th-heritage-an-epic-failure


Elizabeth Warren Is Not Native American
By Julian Brave NoiseCat | 10/16/2018

5bc5f9c13c000020010e1ad6.jpeg

Massachusetts senator (and 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful) Elizabeth Warren is not Native American.

Native American identity is about belonging to a community. It is a specific political, legal and social formation akin to a form of citizenship that is particular to each tribe, nation, confederacy or otherwise sovereign and self-determining Indigenous government—numbering 567 federally recognized tribes and hundreds of Alaska Native, Hawaiian and state-recognized entities across the country.

It is also racial. Not in the biological sense, but in a more ephemeral cultural and social understanding of that word—an identity lived by Native Americans across tribal affiliations and policed by the shifting structures of discrimination, opportunity and the many mundane and extraordinary life experiences in between.

Warren cannot, does not and should not claim Native American identity in its tribal or racial form. She, like many people on a continent taken from First Peoples, can claim Native American ancestry.

Ancestry only means that a long time ago (in Warren’s case, six to 10 generations, or likely well over 100 years) an ancestor in the nether reaches of the Warren family tree was Indigenous to North or South America.

This is complicated. It’s the kind of thing that changes over time. It’s the subject of debate and entire fields of scholarly and artistic production, but it’s an important distinction. Self-identifying, being born into, or being racialized as Native American can carry immense consequences for Native American individuals and the communities they come from; communities that are still struggling to protect and regain rights and dignity in a political, legal and cultural landscape growing more hostile by the day.

It is not the kind of thing that a trip to the lab and a press release can resolve.

Nonetheless, at some point in recent weeks, following years of tough questions and months of Trumpian attacks, Elizabeth Warren swabbed her cheek with a Q-tip-like device in the name of self-discovery, scientific transparency and public relations opportunity.

The results, delivered by Stanford professor Carlos Bustamante, an adviser to Ancestry.com and 23andMe, in an Oct. 10 memo showed the vast majority of Warren’s genes were of European origin, but that a tiny fraction ― somewhere between 1/64th and 1/1,024th ― likely came from an ancestor Indigenous to North or South America.

The cheek-y fanfare corroborated an old Warren-family story that the senator’s great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was potentially part Cherokee or Delaware. Though it also said that “it is not possible to reliably associate smaller segments having Native American ancestry with any specific tribe or group.”

The opportunistic Warren rollout of the results—the most buzzworthy DNA test since Drake became a baby daddy—complete with an above-the-fold Boston Globe story, five-minute campaign video and viral Twitter thread, created an opening for an important conversation about who is and who is not Native American in a land taken from its First Peoples.

But many publications missed the boat. “Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Results,” wrote the Daily Beast. “She’s Native American.” A complicated sociological question 500-plus years of colonization in the making, with immense political, legal and real-life consequences ― the kinds of consequences that historically defined who lived and who died and can, even today, prompt dire questions about who votes, who gets to see a doctor, who has a say in the permitting of an oil pipeline and who lives with the ever-present danger of inhabiting a Native body on a continent premised on the annihilation of those bodies ― were brushed aside. Never mind that questions linger about whether Warren may have benefited, even in a small way, by self-identifying as Native American during her tenure at Harvard.

None of this came into frame. As is too often the case in the United States, the results of a lab test stood in for hundreds of years of history, law and lived experience and entire libraries and museums’ worth of writing, scholarship and artistic production.

This is not because well-researched, interdisciplinary and readily google-able responses from Indigenous communities and experts are unavailable.

The Cherokee Nation, from whom Warren claims descent, is quite clear: “A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship,” Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskins Jr. said in a statement about Warren’s DNA test. “Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship.”

The leaders in the field of Indigenous studies speak with similar conviction on this subject ― remarkable for any area of scholarly inquiry but especially in the hazier realms of humanities, social sciences and post-colonial studies. Consider the statement from University of Alberta professor Kim Tallbear, who is a member of the Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate, “For Elizabeth Warren to center a Native American ancestry test as the next move in her fight with Republicans is to make yet another strike—even if unintended against tribal sovereignty.”

(Readers interested in further exploring this issue should read Tommy Orange’s novel, There, There, now up for a National Book Award; Phil Deloria Jr.’s Indians in Unexpected Places; Audra Simpson’s Mohawk Interruptus; or Dr. Adrienne Keene’s blog, Native Appropriations.)

This is not to say that this issue is resolved now and forever. Specific tribes—and particularly the Cherokee—face important questions about the place and identity of the descendants of Black slaves owned by wealthy Native Americans. There are also complicated issues that I and many other Native people navigate as part of families who come from multiple cultures and racial identities. It would be misleading to suggest that questions about something as complicated as who we are could ever be permanently resolved.

The senator’s response to President Donald Trump’s racist attacks and the legitimate criticisms of Native leaders, activists and scholars has shown that we need space to engage and learn from this conversation—now more than ever. The rub? Learning is often uncomfortable, especially in a diverse nation built on interlocking histories of colonization, slavery and racism that’s under siege by forces who call for a return to darker days.

Warren’s political buccal swab was cringeworthy. But her likely impending presidential run presents a prolonged opportunity to learn more about Native Americans and our complicated lives and identities.
Click to expand...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...n-native-ancestry_us_5bc5f8d9e4b055bc947a6e13
 
Last edited:
ichibang said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-donald-trump-pocahontas/index.html

Elizabeth Warren might have actually made things worse with her DNA gambit

When CNN is noping out of this, you know you have miscalculated bigly.

How left-leaning media react to this fiasco

Celebrating that they won! (Look at Late Night Show or the View)






Then,

Making excuses after the Cherokee Nation criticized her tactics (CNN)



And finally,

Trying to move past this fiasco by deflecting it to Trump or letting Native people wrote a piece for them to make them not look biased (all left-wing media this morning)

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/10/17/17985886/elizabeth-warren-claims-native-american-descent

Cherokee Nation citizens like me are used to people claiming our heritage. It’s exhausting.

Rip her 2020 run IMO, Sanders and Biden will be popping red panties for this.

Based on the comments online, I think that many liberals will still vote for her, but I think it would be suicidal to send her against Trump.
Click to expand...

Damn leftists got destroyed in this thread. Title should be changed to "we got owned again".
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
No. This first link was a buncha bullshit so I'll gather the others are the same.

How about you post a quote of the proposed bet (i.e. Trump's word), and the source from which it comes? Otherwise, you're just another fart in the wind in this thread.

If you can muster that, then we can see if the parameters of the wager have been met. Maybe check out the stickied bet thread to get a sense of what objective folks consider sufficient for a conclusive ruling.
Click to expand...

Meh, I provided sources so I did my job.

<Fedor23>
 
I have 1/32 or 1/64 (forget which) Native american blood and I would never tell anyone that Im proud of my native american heritage. I am majority cajun and have irish and english mixed in. My grandmother was full irish... but i would never identify as irish.... This whole thing is rediculous.
 
Would say most whites in America that have been here several generations are mutts. Someone with an italian last name in Louisiana looks and talks like I do and that has resulted in more mixing over time. Over generations the mixing means that even with an italian last name they would not identify as italians. You find more purity in places like NYC, Chicago, Boston etc. Everywhere else, as the generations roll to move to just a *caucasian* classification
 
Last edited:
The early media reaction tells you where the media is at..
 
warren didnt prove she is 1/1,024th native; she proved that she's 1,023/1,024th white privileged proppressor
 
Cajun said:
Would say most whites in America that have been here several generations are mutts. Someone with an italian last name in Louisiana looks and talks like I do and that has resulted in more mixing over time. Over generations the mixing means that even with an italian last name they would not identify as italians. You find more purity in places like NYC, Chicago, Boston etc. Everywhere else, as the generations roll to move to just a *caucasian* classification
Click to expand...
Great post! I look Italian but my mom is 100% so that’s to be expected. My father is Irish and Native American and I don’t ever claim any of it because I think it’s disrespectful. At home I joke with my Italian side but they’re really Chicago style Italians, you know the type that “know a guy” for pretty much every situation. A lot of family parties growing up reminded me of the introduction scene in Goodfellas. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane Cajun.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,274,965
Messages
57,959,301
Members
175,884
Latest member
cloudfair

Share this page

Back
Top