Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Test Showing "Strong Evidence" of Native American Ancestry

[Joe265]

lol @ thinking I'd vote for a white person

I didn't make any assumptions on who you would vote for. You're responding like a paranoid coward.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Ok, thanks. So then at no point on any application did she ever check the box of “Native American”.

If that’s the case then I aside from the fact that if she ever said she was NA, I don’t see what the big deal is. Its not a big deal if it was as innocent as “I think a distant relative was NA”.

If she put it down in an application I’d have an issue.

I assume you would too?

I don't think it's a big deal. It would be bad if she'd used it in an application.

If I'm trying to relate to people who sincerely have a problem with the real story, I'd think that 1) they wouldn't believe that it was something she was told, thinking instead that she just fabricated it, and then 2) that she fabricated it for the purpose of getting ahead in academia, and then 3) that they believe that it actually would be a help to her. That would, indeed, be quite sleazy and worthy of major condemnation. But there is no reason at all to believe 1 (other than a general distrust of people in the other tribe), the evidence appears to contradict 2 (though one might believe that her previous hirers are covering it up), and 3 also appears to be very shaky (it's not like there's any evidence that NA professors have an easy path to top jobs).

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Um... don't look now... but Donald Trump is 10 seasons of South Park episodes.

Well sure. But i am referring to the specific episode where white people get DNA test then brag about their 1/100th "POC" DNA.

 

[lfd0311]

It says the vast majority of her DNA is European but the identified some Native American DNA.

Your reading comprehension that terrible that I need to write cliffsnotes for your own source? smh

First of all, it's your source, I just relinked the link from your source, that you clearly didn't read.

Let me hit some high points for you:

For maximal accuracy, we use reference populations that have been fully sequenced (complete


genomes) rather than references that had been genotyped at only a subset of sites. These samples

come from the 1000 Genomes research project, which sequenced full genomes from individuals around

the world (1000 Genomes Project Consortium, 2012). For Native American references, we used samples

within the 1000 Genomes project of Native American ancestry; these samples come from Mexico, Peru,

and Colombia. (It is not possible to use Native American reference sequences from inside the United


States, since Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population


genetics studies.) The 1000 Genomes reference samples come from Nigerian Yoruba individuals (for

Sub-Saharan Africa), Finnish, Tuscan Italian, and Spanish individuals (for Europe), and northern Chinese

individuals for East Asia. (The latter reference was used to test for East Asian regional ancestry, since

that can otherwise be mis-assigned as Native American). In our analysis, an individual with 100%

ancestry assigned to a single population (e.g., European or African) is defined as an “unadmixed”.

They don't even know what the genome reference sample is for Native Americans, yet she apparently has it. They're just going to go ahead and use people from Peru as a reference point, good enough. Keep that in mind as you read the rest of the information they provide. That's the first major problem with the study.

Secondly, apparently DNA signatures are so non specific that they can use Finnish, Spanish and Italian to determine "White Dude DNA" in a person. Needless to say this is not anywhere near as exact a science as they'd like us to think.

We also compared the ancestry segments seen in the sample to 185 reference individuals from Europe


(Great Britain) as well as American individuals from Utah. A few of the Utah individuals have a small

amount of Native American ancestry, and for this reason the standard deviation of Native American

ancestry in the Utah individuals is somewhat higher than in the British samples.

Apparently "From Utah" is a DNA category too, no further information on who these people are. But hey, some of them had that Native American DNA sample that they admitted earlier in the very same study that they can't identify in them. Maybe. And even then, that "Native American Sample we admit we can't identify" sample is only "somewhat higher" in the "Dudes from Utah who might be Native American" sample group than it is in the "People from Britain" group. Slightly. THAN PEOPLE FROM BRITAIN. Super exact science we have going here to establish a baseline.

(4) The sample was compared to the results of the 185 reference individuals with European ancestry,


from Great Britain and Utah.

• The segment on chromosome 10 observed in the individual is larger than any of the segments

identified as having Native American ancestry in any of the 185 reference individuals.

• The total length of Native American segments observed in the individual is greater than the

average value for the reference individuals — by 12.4-fold (corresponding to 12.7 standard deviations)

for the individuals from Great Britain and 10.5-fold (corresponding to 4.9 standard deviations) for the

individuals from Utah.

So her "We don't know to identify this" sample was slightly bigger than people who live in Europe. EUROPE. And Just about as big as "Generic people from Utah who may or may not be Native American" sample. And the biggest sample they could identify makes up 4% of all the cells in your body. This is a hack study designed to do just what it's doing, get people who are too stupid to simply read to attach themselves to a narrative and run with it, without ever just sitting down and reading the information.

 

[vengeful]

I didn't make any assumptions on who you would vote for. You're responding like a paranoid coward.

You're the coward, stand by your "politicians love pandering for votes, you're apparently falling for it"

If that ain't implying I'm voting for Warren, I don't know what is

 

[Jack V Savage]

Just saw this bit from your quote.

But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 "minority equity report" also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school.

That’s a little ridiculous, no?

Missed this part earlier (or was it edited?). Yeah, it's ridiculous. But it looks to me like an extremely white institution wanted to misleadingly suggest that it had more minority representation than that Warren herself was getting any benefit or doing anything wrong.

 

[lfd0311]

you can ask the people on the right about that. They're the ones consistently harping and making fun of it.

I've mention to people (buddies or during DNA or ancestry discussions) that I suspect I have some Russian blood in me because one of my grandfather had distinct features that were non-Asian. Our extended family talks about it every once in a while. People thought I was a mixed when I was a baby. In Elizabeth Warren's case I am guessing it was a family fact that became a rumor as it went on from generation to generation but I can understand completely.

She has family members who didn't know about this "family secret" who didn't even know about it until she ran for office and it became a news story.

 

[KeepItRealist]

Even the most liberal Native American tribal standards require a person to be at least 1/16th ancestry traced directly to their tribe. And that's controversial enough. Most require more. You are talking about casino owners with blond hair and blue eyes. To claim you are of Native American ancestry due to finding a geneticist to claim you have possibly 1/1024th indigenous ancestry not traced to any specific origin is a pure farce. Warren's claims in the past were fraud. And her stories about her family is nothing but lies.

 

[SamSchmidt]

This is such horseshit. I have a grandfather who was part native and I don't dare say I am part native. My best friend lives on the rez near me. Full on Sioux, we went to the place to get his Casino stipend check and the line was full of nothing but white assholes claiming that 1/34th bullshit.

Could you imagine if they were calling themselves 1/16th black and picking up...reperations checks or something? Would be a godamn shitstorm of epic proportions

 

[lifelessheap]

1/32 AT BEST according to this test. Almost certainly closer to 1/512. The point is that her claim is a joke. Even the most liberal tribe standards are provable 1/16th to that tribe. She committed fraud in the past by claiming to be Native American when applying for jobs and academic admissions.

Correction: She's possibly 1/1024.

Obama releases birth certificate.

Warren releases DNA results.

Trump wont even release tax retuns.

<{chips}>

It took years for Obama to produce a birth certificate. All of his college records are sealed. LMAO.

Trump had some tax returns released. That lesbian guy on MSNBC broke the story.

 

[Max Power]

Trump is probably more native than her at this stage.

 

[HereticBD]

Even the most liberal Native American tribal standards require a person to be at least 1/16th ancestry traced directly to their tribe. And that's controversial enough. Most require more. You are talking about Casino owners with blond hair and blue eyes. To claim you are of Native American ancestry due to finding a geneticist to claim you have possibly 1/1024th ancestry not traced to any specific origin is a pure farce. Warren's claims in the past were fraud. And her stories about her families nothing but lies.

I repeat, she's an idiot for engaging in this. It was better for her when it was just doubted. Now she's just essentially confirmed she's a true blue lying opportunist.

 

[AlexDB9]

Yeah, buddy. I've made many reparation payments to the indigenous population through the care of Chief Rolling Dice.


No. She was already a professor at University of Pennsylvania law school. The school was catching shit for not having a diverse enough faculty, so administration asked the professors if anyone had a diverse background. Warren said, according to her family she had some Native American ancestors.

That's literally how this whole fucking thing started.

Then she got hired at Harvard and some people say the "diversity" claim helped her. But she was already a law professor at UPenn lol. It's not like she was just some schmuck who got affirmative actioned into Harvard.



And just like that I've got a new sig.

+1 Diamond Jim

Obama releases birth certificate.

Warren releases DNA results.

Trump wont even release tax retuns.

<{chips}>

You fellas have to take the e-L on this one, respectfully of course. Don’t double down like warren and be made a fool of....this isn’t even a Trump tax thread

 

[SaiWa]

CNN- "Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory."

Harvard obviously claims her race, stated or otherwise, had no bearing on her hiring. But why bother listing that she was native American on that application, then changing it back to white later, if there wasn't at least the possibility of it helping her application?

The just from a cookbook statement is fake news

Memory was slightly off. Was for a law school job, not getting into law school

Well according to her she did it to meet to hopefully meet people from her background as well. And why not? 90's is a far cry from today when we have a website for everything. Internet was just becoming a thing in that decade. I didn't experience it till start of college in '96.

Regardless she has hardly touted or used the Native American background in any advantageous way but internet sleuth are digging through everything and making it seem as if she got promoted or advanced through her heritage which is nonsense...

extra note: Harvard touted her background. Elizabeth never did it. There was a huge push for diversity so its no surprise they dig through everybody's background then and just were like fuck it.. she's claimed minority somewhere else so we'll state she's a minority here without her permission to fill our quota. nothing strange at all...

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Warren entering the race like

 

[SaiWa]

She has family members who didn't know about this "family secret" who didn't even know about it until she ran for office and it became a news story.

not everyone in the family has to know or is aware of any secret... not everyone in my extended suspected my grandfather of being mixed. when I bring it up every once in a while they'll be one of us that'll respond with "really???... nahhh no way"... some relatives are in the mix or in the circle of gossip. nothing strange about that depending on the size of the family.

add in the fact that it used to be shameful to have indian blood back in the days its no wonder some choose to ignore that part and not tell certain family members...

 

[Rob Battisti]

Missed this part earlier (or was it edited?). Yeah, it's ridiculous. But it looks to me like an extremely white institution wanted to misleadingly suggest that it had more minority representation than that Warren herself was getting any benefit or doing anything wrong.

Reasonable. I think it’s offputting that she notified them of the “heritage” — but if it wasn’t used in an application then I really don’t care as much. I doubt that after decades of knowing her if they all of a sudden labeled her as NA it really changed their thoughts on her progression.

So, in the end, I’ll label this as shady and off-putting, but not egregious. Total hack job if she put it on an application but doesn’t look to be the case.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman.

The Globe examined hundreds of documents, many of them never before available, and reached out to all 52 of the law professors who are still living and were eligible to be in that Pound Hall room at Harvard Law School. Some are Warren’s allies. Others are not. Thirty-one agreed to talk to the Globe — including the law professor who was, at the time, in charge of recruiting minority faculty. Most said they were unaware of her claims to Native American heritage and all but one of the 31 said those claims were not discussed as part of her hire. One professor told the Globe he is unsure whether her heritage came up, but is certain that, if it did, it had no bearing on his vote on Warren’s appointment.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

Didn't she put in on her college application?

 

[D3THRONED]

apparently im more native american than she is lmfao. get the fuck out

 

[A_bomb47]

Well, she is probably more native American than Sherdog's "white genocide" finest are actually white.

LMAO. Snake delivers as usual.