Eddie Hall vs Thor - March 19th

[Kendodsworth]

Yeah no? So they have better chins then the old elite world class pros according to you? Cause they both took flush punches without getting dropped, but they can take it but somehow the elite boxers who have to have great chins just to get to that level in the first place have worse chins then two dudes who lift weights and are stiff as boards? Makes sense

Why you on yout high horse for hahaha
Not once did I mention their chins, stop twisting my words to make it fit your argument. And not once did any of them land any "flush" shots.

150kg eddie or thor hits anyone, I mean with a decent right hook on the jaw with there going down.

You know what I'll do what you do in this instance and make my argument fit.... If Mike tyson stood still flat footed, no boxing stance toe to toe with eddie or thor and they hit him with a perfect right hook, with perfect technique to the jaw you think he's going to be still standing? Makes sense

 

[Humongo]

Ahh so u think those muscles you got from peds make Ur a good fighter


On a side note you must be insanely massive I feel like you'd look like a thumb

I don't really see it, tbh.

 

[GeneTunney7]

They don't just lift weights they weight 300kg between them. I'm sorry I love boxing and I'm all for the "just because you lift weight doesn't make you punch hard argument" honestly I agree but.... there's a limit.

If a guy who weights 150kg! Is the peak of human strength (breaking records), bear in mind this is high explosive fast twitch weight lifting...the same fast twitch muscles use to throw a punch (not hypertrophy training). Can move at some decent speeds when they want too and have had 2 years training under their belt so are able to throw a dig with relatively decent form and technique fairly fast...im sorry but its going to knock you out and it will have some bastard behind it and for that reason unfortunately I this is the only time I'll say if one of these guys did clock the golden oldies flush it would make them hit the deck.

Id be interested in seeing who actually had the hardest punch in the world, and how much technique played in raw power vs genetics and strength. Ngannou has the hardest punch ever measured and it is a good deal more than any other boxer measured, but he def does not have the best technique. It reminds me of those golf driver specialist who can hit a ball like twice as long as the best golfers - they lack the finesse and golfing ability of the best golfers but just specialize in driving.

It is very possible a guy like Eddie or Thor - 400 pounds, strongest man in world, athletic, been boxing so knows how to punch - could put up a stronger punch than many hw boxers on a punching machine. I think as wilder shows, alot is about leverage, not technique. Good boxers also KO not from power but punch placement and finding the sweet spot.

 

[defjaam]

Good boxers also KO not from power but punch placement and finding the sweet spot.

Pretty much... I guess you can say that they hit sharper, not heavier. They also know from what distance to throw which punch, they know timing, they know how to get an opponent on the backfoot, they overall have a better feel. Those are skills that Thor and Eddie won't master in this lifetime.

For some reason it's stuck in people's heads that nobody can hit as heavy as the ATG heavyweights.
Shane Carwin hit hard as hell... Does that mean that a boxing match against Tyson could have had any different outcome aside from Carwin lying on the floor early on? No.
Lennox Lewis said that during sparring with Corrie Sanders he experienced that Sanders was the hardest hitting man he's ever been in the ring with. Wladimir Klitschko found out the hard way.
Yet Sanders never gets dropped as one of the hardest hitting boxers.

 

[defjaam]

A good example-



Obviously Tommy having spent so much time with Rocky Balboa, developed a mean left hook. But he did a lot more during this brief fight - his stance, his footwork, his distancing... Its all on. And he threw the double-jab right before for a reason.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Pretty much... I guess you can say that they hit sharper, not heavier. They also know from what distance to throw which punch, they know timing, they know how to get an opponent on the backfoot, they overall have a better feel. Those are skills that Thor and Eddie won't master in this lifetime.

For some reason it's stuck in people's heads that nobody can hit as heavy as the ATG heavyweights.
Shane Carwin hit hard as hell... Does that mean that a boxing match against Tyson could have had any different outcome aside from Carwin lying on the floor early on? No.
Lennox Lewis said that during sparring with Corrie Sanders he experienced that Sanders was the hardest hitting man he's ever been in the ring with. Wladimir Klitschko found out the hard way.
Yet Sanders never gets dropped as one of the hardest hitting boxers.

Exactly. That is why I bring up those golf long drivers. The best of them can out drive the best golfers, like Tiger woods, by a country mile. Your average person did not think this was possible, as they equated score with ability to drive, much like you see people conflate boxing ability with power. Much of the long drivers are terrible golfers, but they can hit the ball forever.

It's really simple; force = mass x acceleration. That means the fastest and biggest are going to be able to hit harder. Modern fighters are getting bigger and more athletic, so it should come as no surprise someone like Ngannou murked out the top hw boxer's punching power. And as big and athletic as Ngannou is, there are indeed a very few guys a step above him, and they are the Hafthor Bjornsons of the world.

Maybe they should come up with something like the World Long Driver championship, but for punching power. I would def watch.

 

[Cariñito]

Why you on yout high horse for hahaha
Not once did I mention their chins, stop twisting my words to make it fit your argument. And not once did any of them land any "flush" shots.

150kg eddie or thor hits anyone, I mean with a decent right hook on the jaw with there going down.

You know what I'll do what you do in this instance and make my argument fit.... If Mike tyson stood still flat footed, no boxing stance toe to toe with eddie or thor and they hit him with a perfect right hook, with perfect technique to the jaw you think he's going to be still standing? Makes sense

Wouldnt knock me down. I'm tough.

 

[Cariñito]

Id be interested in seeing who actually had the hardest punch in the world, and how much technique played in raw power vs genetics and strength. Ngannou has the hardest punch ever measured and it is a good deal more than any other boxer measured, but he def does not have the best technique. It reminds me of those golf driver specialist who can hit a ball like twice as long as the best golfers - they lack the finesse and golfing ability of the best golfers but just specialize in driving.

It is very possible a guy like Eddie or Thor - 400 pounds, strongest man in world, athletic, been boxing so knows how to punch - could put up a stronger punch than many hw boxers on a punching machine. I think as wilder shows, alot is about leverage, not technique. Good boxers also KO not from power but punch placement and finding the sweet spot.

Because Ngannou hit the punching machine at Chuck E Cheeses he now hits harder than any boxer ever? Fuck that.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Because Ngannou hit the punching machine at Chuck E Cheeses he now hits harder than any boxer ever? Fuck that.

No, I did not say that he hit harder than all boxers, just the ones that hit the same punch machine, such as Tyrone Spong who he broke the record from. Eddie Hall hit the same machine and very hard, but registered in 10% less power. Im sure there are people that can register higher than Francis but they have not gotten the chance to be clocked, which is why I also stated I'd be interested in seeing a hardest punch competition be organized. You? There are indeed accurate scientific ways to measure force and power.



It's not exactly 'the machine at Chuck-e-Cheese' either.

 

[pugilistico]

Hitting a stationary machine is different than being able to put together punching mechanics and leverage against a moving, resisting opponent. Even one hits really hard on a bag, it doesn't he can hit the same in a fight.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Hitting a stationary machine is different than being able to put together punching mechanics and leverage against a moving, resisting opponent. Even one hits really hard on a bag, it doesn't he can hit the same in a fight.

Sure, I think that goes without saying and why boxers get paid the big bucks. However, if you did have everyone in the world hit the punching machine Ngannou and Hall hit, who would register the hardest punch? Would it be a professional boxer with the best technique or some genetic freak, like a Thor or Andre The Giant freak? Again, this is just strictly power, not who can land the best punch to KO someone.

It's an interesting question and Im not sure what the answer is, but id like to find out. I wouldn't be shocked if some fast twitched, 450 pound all muscle, 7+ footer generated more force with his hay maker than a boxer like wilder, joshua, or even prime foreman and tyson, etc.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Anyone get an update on if Eddie is getting the tattoo and going thru with the bets? Id imagine his wife will not want 1+ million pounds going out the window, nor her husband branding himself with the name of the dude that just beat his azz.

 

[Brandon Robinson]

Why you on yout high horse for hahaha
Not once did I mention their chins, stop twisting my words to make it fit your argument. And not once did any of them land any "flush" shots.

150kg eddie or thor hits anyone, I mean with a decent right hook on the jaw with there going down.

You know what I'll do what you do in this instance and make my argument fit.... If Mike tyson stood still flat footed, no boxing stance toe to toe with eddie or thor and they hit him with a perfect right hook, with perfect technique to the jaw you think he's going to be still standing? Makes sense

They literally did land flush did on eachother did you even watch it

'decent right hook' lol holy shit of course that's what you first go to you truely don't know shit about boxing

Literally anyone hit by anyone with even semi decent power standing with no stance would get dropped. U are a actual dumbass

 

[GeneTunney7]

Anyone get an update on if Eddie is getting the tattoo and going thru with the bets? Id imagine his wife will not want 1+ million pounds going out the window, nor her husband branding himself with the name of the dude that just beat his azz.

Update:

Eddie finally responded and is allegedly making good on his bets and we're getting a rematch. LFG! I am going to watch the f out of it. Apparently his left arm was fd up from the bicep tear and that is why he threw no lefts. Hopefully it is healed by the rematch.

 

[Kendodsworth]

They literally did land flush did on eachother did you even watch it

'decent right hook' lol holy shit of course that's what you first go to you truely don't know shit about boxing

Literally anyone hit by anyone with even semi decent power standing with no stance would get dropped. U are a actual dumbass

No I stuck to the highlights, see the best bits there and I didn't see any "flush" punches.

Your assumption I know nothing about boxing because I mention a right hook is funny, maybe I should of mentioned another punch only know to master boxers, not old has been amateurs like me!!!! It is quiet ironic though considering you've absolutely contradicted your originally comment saying a strong man would never drop an all time great by saying ANYONE with semi-decent power would drop someone else flat footed.

Try harder kid, your showing your age here and if you are older than 18 your an idiot.

 

[Kendodsworth]

Update:

Eddie finally responded and is allegedly making good on his bets and we're getting a rematch. LFG! I am going to watch the f out of it. Apparently his left arm was fd up from the bicep tear and that is why he threw no lefts. Hopefully it is healed by the rematch.

He came across okay there to be honest. If he stayed like this instead of pretending he was a "bad lad" and "hardman" he'd get less flack. Granted he deserved a little bit of stick due to coming across and idiot, saying the stuff he said then totally looking fool but there's a limit isn't there and I think he's accepted he did come across a tit. So hats off to him.

 

[GeneTunney7]

He came across okay there to be honest. If he stayed like this instead of pretending he was a "bad lad" and "hardman" he'd get less flack. Granted he deserved a little bit of stick due to coming across and idiot, saying the stuff he said then totally looking fool but there's a limit isn't there and I think he's accepted he did come across a tit. So hats off to him.

Agreed 100%. The only part that did not come across well is the ''I got in there vs the largest man in the world, lets see you do it'' when home by was saying Thor was a 'skinny dog with aids' before <Lmaoo>

He does deserve stick for all the shit he chatted but I have to hand it to him, he fought really well for a 1 armed man in his first fight, having cut 150 pounds and having two year to do it. Fair play to him, fair play. I really loved the fight, there was not even a single clinch - cant remember the last fight that I've seen that had no clinch for six rounds - and I will watch the shit out of the next. It is the perfect freak fight; both elite athletes, huge, bad blood, evenly matched but stylistic difference, KO power, no clinches and they're in shape and did not gas like Kimbo Dada. It was 100% better than the Paul Tyron hug fest.

 

[Kendodsworth]

Agreed 100%. The only part that did not come across well is the ''I got in there vs the largest man in the world, lets see you do it'' when home by was saying Thor was a 'skinny dog with aids' before <Lmaoo>

Haha that's a good point there, "I got in there with the world's strongest man, let's see you do it" shut up eddie we don't all weigh 150kg of our muscle haha.

I'd definitely watch the rematch hoping for a more refined eddie, less bollocks and ego and more actual training and boxing. Think it would be entertaining with all the stuff you mentioned too.

 

[Brandon Robinson]

No I stuck to the highlights, see the best bits there and I didn't see any "flush" punches.

Your assumption I know nothing about boxing because I mention a right hook is funny, maybe I should of mentioned another punch only know to master boxers, not old has been amateurs like me!!!! It is quiet ironic though considering you've absolutely contradicted your originally comment saying a strong man would never drop an all time great by saying ANYONE with semi-decent power would drop someone else flat footed.

Try harder kid, your showing your age here and if you are older than 18 your an idiot.

Do you didn't watch the fightmy assumption is that when someone refers to the least used punch that all non boxers resort to as the first punch to mention, that yes they don't know shit about boxing

There's a difference between getting hit in a boxing stance and standing there without a stance being off balance, the fact that you don't know there's a difference makes you a little slow

 

[Kendodsworth]

Do you didn't watch the fightmy assumption is that when someone refers to the least used punch that all non boxers resort to as the first punch to mention, that yes they don't know shit about boxing

There's a difference between getting hit in a boxing stance and standing there without a stance being off balance, the fact that you don't know there's a difference makes you a little slow

So I'm a non-boxer because I mentioned a right hook in an example. I wont even mention the fact it was the only punch thrown by Eddie Hall so it kind of fit perfectly into my argument of "if Eddie thrown a right hook at a flat footed Tyson...."

Let's leave it at that shall we I don't want you to bring me to your level. Idiots always win due to experience.