Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing

[Paolo Delutis]

Charlo would KTFO Stipe in a 1 versus 1. No doubt about it.

A level athlete > E level failed beisbol player

Lmfao...

Charlo gets crushed by stipe in under 30 seconds lol...

One leg kick or double leg its over...stipe breaks his face with GNP



Dont be this dumb

 

[Seismic]

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I see eddie didnt mention medieval rules. Very conveinient. Thats a real fight not the unarmed BS with a restricted rule set and a referee there to save you. He doesnt know a thing about real fighting until he has stood in there opposite a guy and dueled for real like a man. until hes been in there with a man in chain mail bearing down on him with a katana he cant talk about true fighting

This.

 

[Seismic]

So far we've proven that a YouTuber, a random civilian off the street, a washed up and old boxer and the security guard who KO'd Don Frye would emerge from this 'to the death' cell fight against MMA's elite.

Imagine what actual boxers in their prime would do?

 

[mkt]

Royce armbarred Jason Deluca in ufc 2.

Delucia was a kung fu guy. I brought up Bowen because he was a decent boxer and big, strong guy. Jennum didn't have a fraction of Royce's BJJ training yet managed to submit him pretty quickly.

 

[JKS]

So far we've proven that a YouTuber, a random civilian off the street, a washed up and old boxer and the security guard who KO'd Don Frye would emerge from this 'to the death' cell fight against MMA's elite.

Imagine what actual boxers in their prime would do?

You wanna go over all the times boxers have come into mma and been embarrassed?? How well did Mayorga do in mma during boxing career? He went 0-3 and got subbed twice by low level fighters. And that in amateur promotions lol.

Why not mention how mma fighters have gone into boxing and been successful?? How about Joe Duffy going 7-0. Clay Collard is doing mma and boxing and 9-4. Ryan Ford has been strictly focusing on boxing past 7 years and 17-6. Terry Martin went 5-1, Allesio Sakara went 8-1. And there is many more that have winning records.

How about listing mma fighters who have actually done well bozo. Oh, that's right. All you know about is Askren and Sylvia.

 

[MCDojoMMA]

Both are sports.

The Guy with the knife or axe wins.

 

[YourBoss]

I would take Conor in that scenario over Canelo. This isn’t disrespectful towards canelo because I feel he’s the best show in boxing at the moment and has been for some time now. That being said, it would take MUCH longer then 2 months to train the muscle memory needed to deal with someone kicking at you. There’s no way Canelo would be able to even comprehend the distance management in just two months regardless of how special of an athlete/boxer he is.

dont you think he could just go for it, close the distance and rely on his stronger punches, speed better chin better reflexes and better skill and go

You wanna go over all the times boxers have come into mma and been embarrassed?? How well did Mayorga do in mma during boxing career? He went 0-3 and got subbed twice by low level fighters. And that in amateur promotions lol.

Why not mention how mma fighters have gone into boxing and been successful?? How about Joe Duffy going 7-0. Clay Collard is doing mma and boxing and 9-4. Ryan Ford has been strictly focusing on boxing past 7 years and 17-6. Terry Martin went 5-1, Allesio Sakara went 8-1. And there is many more that have winning records.

How about listing mma fighters who have actually done well bozo. Oh, that's right. All you know about is Askren and Sylvia.

How about some 25-35 prime aged boxers and not some 40-50 year old washed up has beens hahahahah. What kind of argument is that? Could you imagine a 45 year old mma fighter fighting in boxing even at an amateur club?

 

[JKS]

dont you think he could just go for it, close the distance and rely on his stronger punches, speed better chin better reflexes and better skill and go

How about some 25-35 prime aged boxers and not some 40-50 year old washed up has beens hahahahah. What kind of argument is that? Could you imagine a 45 year old mma fighter fighting in boxing even at an amateur club?

Mayorga was 38 when he did a few mma fights and Toney was 40. Both went back to boxing after and continued for years. They weren't in their prime, but don't make em out to be some bums that just did it after boxing.

There aren't any boxers like that who crossed in their prime. But I did list several mma fighters that went into boxing and did fine.

Before you criticize my argument perhaps look at who I am quoting. His point was around Penn in a streetfight, Tim Sylvia and Ben Askren.

 

[FKAri]

Neither boxing or MMA are actual fighting. Fans would do well to remember that. Case closed.

 

[fg1985bg]

dont you think he could just go for it, close the distance and rely on his stronger punches, speed better chin better reflexes and better skill and go

How about some 25-35 prime aged boxers and not some 40-50 year old washed up has beens hahahahah. What kind of argument is that? Could you imagine a 45 year old mma fighter fighting in boxing even at an amateur club?

If we’ve opened up the floor to a larger variety of techniques then is Canelo still the more skilled fighter in this scenario? He’s not. A lot of things change with the inclusion of kicks and more tools. It’s not as simple as Canelo bumrushing or pressing forward. A lot changes. Who’s to say that Canelo is even standing after one or two leg kicks?

If this is a boxing match then yes, Canelo destroys Conor or any MMA fighter. If the rules are expanded and less limiting then no...Canelo is most likely not winning. Muscle memory is a real thing. The less thinking you do in the ring/cage the better. You’re asking a fighter who has trained two limbs to attack and only two limbs to be a threat to completely re wire his mind. That doesn’t happen in a matter of a month or so. It would be an absolute nightmare for Canelo .

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Both are sports.

The Guy with the knife or axe wins.

Who wins if there are no weapons involved?

All you dorks that bring up weapons sound like my fat grandpa telling me he doesn't need to know how to fight because he'll just shoot people lmao

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

I would take Conor in that scenario over Canelo. This isn’t disrespectful towards canelo because I feel he’s the best show in boxing at the moment and has been for some time now. That being said, it would take MUCH longer then 2 months to train the muscle memory needed to deal with someone kicking at you. There’s no way Canelo would be able to even comprehend the distance management in just two months regardless of how special of an athlete/boxer he is.

This is why I made this thread, a lot of people have no clue how hard MMA is

Canelo would need years to prepare for high-level MMA fights OBVIOUSLY, and would probably never be able to catch up. He's great at what he does, but the lack of respect for MMA is crazy.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Lol we're talking about unarmed hand to hand combat, martial arts and of course pussyass boxing fans have to come up with "I'll shoot you!" Which is a more effective martial art? MMA or boxing. One of those two include boxing in it. Give me a fucking break, why is this is even a debate? Because pussyass MMA fans are the most insecure cock suckers in the world and must always shit on their own sport. According to these guys, literally anybody from any other older sport can come in and trane UFC for 6 weeks and become HW champ.

Boxing is the most worthless style on its own but is highly effective when backed by a good ground game. On its own? The boxer loses to the MMA 99/100x. Not even 9 out of 10. A high school wrestler, not even state level, beats a guy like Mayweather if Mayweather has no cross training.

And spare me the $$$ argument, we're not here to talk about finances. This is about martial arts and their effectiveness. You want money then Bezos has superior martial arts cuz he makes more $$$. Bill Gates Martial Arts is also superior to boxing.

Beautifully put, you're 100% right

Guns are pointless for self-defense too because what if your opponent has a bazooka??? Hahahaha this is the level these dudes are at

 

[MCDojoMMA]

Who wins if there are no weapons involved?

All you dorks that bring up weapons sound like my fat grandpa telling me he doesn't need to know how to fight because he'll just shoot people lmao

I do not find it realistic when people are fighting and there are no variables.

In my Neighbourhood if you fight with someone, the person or their friends will stab you.

If you are talking about a 'fightclub' 1 V 1 fight, ofc the MMA Guy will win. But life is no movie man.

People will use objects or poke your eyes

 

[fg1985bg]

This is why I made this thread, a lot of people have no clue how hard MMA is

Canelo would need years to prepare for high-level MMA fights OBVIOUSLY, and would probably never be able to catch up. He's great at what he does, but the lack of respect for MMA is crazy.

True but even in this instance I was just bringing up the inclusion of kicks or even being able to punch off a collar tie. No wrestling grappling ...anytbing of that sort. Hell even excluding elbows and knees. Just simply adding kicks changes the entire dynamic and there’s a reason that Canelo is special. He’s been training in his one discipline since th day he was born basically. Obsessing over it to be great. His mind is locked in on that. To force Canelo to have to think or second guess range and distance and also worry about another weapon coming back his way is massive. Again it would be a nightmare for him and most likely wouldn’t end well.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

If they do a streetfight with rules in a prisom, ofc the MMA Guy wins.

I do not find it realistic when people are fighting and there are no variables.

In my Neighbourhood if you fight with someone, the person or their friends will stab you.

If you are talking about a 'fightclub' 1 V 1 fight, ofc the MMA Guy will win. But life is no movie man.

People will use objects or poke your eyes

Obviously you want to avoid street confrontations because it's very possible to get stabbed or shot, but that doesn't mean the entire conversation is pointless. I feel like a lot of you guys rationalize sitting on the couch and not training with this dumb logic lol. If you want to be prepared you need a certain amount of BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc. EVEN IF weapons are involved. Also doesn't mean you shouldn't be training with your gun, or knife as well, you need to have some amount of knowledge in everything.

 

[YourBoss]

Mayorga was 38 when he did a few mma fights and Toney was 40. Both went back to boxing after and continued for years. They weren't in their prime, but don't make em out to be some bums that just did it after boxing.

There aren't any boxers like that who crossed in their prime. But I did list several mma fighters that went into boxing and did fine.

Before you criticize my argument perhaps look at who I am quoting. His point was around Penn in a streetfight, Tim Sylvia and Ben Askren.

nice try, mayorga was 39/40 during his mma fights, and went 3-4 afterwards in boxing fighting bums. so no he was shot to pieces. James Toney was not 40, he was 42. He went 5-4 in his boxing fights afterwards again fighting bums, so he was also shot to pieces. Tim Sylvia was 33, his losses came against Couture for the HW title, Nugouira Interim title fight and Fedor (GOAT). After getting nuked by Mercer he went on a 4 fight ko winning streak. Ben Askren went 1-2 in MMA before getting sparked by fucking jake paul at age 36.

 

[KOPPE]

boxing is a joke. slugs like Ksi and Jake Paul would never thrive in mma or any legit sport
like they did in boxing

 

[YourBoss]

This is why I made this thread, a lot of people have no clue how hard MMA is

Canelo would need years to prepare for high-level MMA fights OBVIOUSLY, and would probably never be able to catch up. He's great at what he does, but the lack of respect for MMA is crazy.

If Ngannou can pick up MMA at 30 Canelo should be able to do so much much quicker. there is millions of examples of guys in their mid 20s early 30s getting into mma and hanging in there with the best mma fighters. what other sport is so easy to get into late? And Canelo would catch up to fucking McGregor? He is more talented in every athletic and fighting related ability. he is stronger, he hits harder, he is faster, he has a better chin, he is tougher, he has 10 times more cardio than McGregor......