Dustin Proved Top BJJ Fighter Like Chuck Can Choke Khabib

[campbecc]

Anybody "can" choke anybody, but realistically, it's not happening. Khabib gives his neck in exchange for top position to burn out their arm because he's not worried about getting finished there. Did it to Dustin, did it against RDA, and I think 1 other guy. While they're going for his neck, he's focused on their leg position so they aren't in a good enough spot to close the guard and finish.

and clearly he wouldn't do that against a high level grappler that he considered a threat. So saying a world class grappler would have submitted him in that situation means nothing, he wouldn't have put himself in that situation against them. He did it based on his opponent.

 

[kalabula]

Chuck who? I don’t get it.

 

[kalabula]

What? Nothing he can do could change that?
So Khabib is just superman. There's absolutely no way he could ever get submitted. No fucking way, you sound so incredibly stupid lol.

Yeah Khabib is good, he even said the choke was really tight. Dustin could have had something there but he didn't. So its dumb to talk about it. But Khabib can be beaten and will if he keeps fighting

He’s said he’s looking for 30-0, then onto retirement. I think it’s pretty likely he beats tony then, possibly, Conor or JG before calling it.

 

[Beherit]

Dustin hasn't had a submission victory in hist last 18 fights.

Korean @%@ Zombie tapped Dustin.

By elite MMA standards, the Dustin is a competent but certainly unremarkable grappler.

KZ would tap to habib too ...

 

[Willie]

What? Nothing he can do could change that?
So Khabib is just superman. There's absolutely no way he could ever get submitted. No fucking way, you sound so incredibly stupid lol.

Yeah Khabib is good, he even said the choke was really tight. Dustin could have had something there but he didn't. So its dumb to talk about it. But Khabib can be beaten and will if he keeps fighting

Khabib has been in guillotines, before, and always got out of it, he's an elite grappler who is not going to fall for the usual tricks, we all know that. Even Dusin said it, this choke would have caught 90% of fighters but khabib is above that. You have no idea if Khabib will ever get caught, unless you were a medium.

 

[BoTyson]

everybodys got a plan until they are punched in the face (a million times whilst getting grapple fucked)

 

[CrimsonFan]

Khabib has been in guillotines, before, and always got out of it, he's an elite grappler who is not going to fall for the usual tricks, we all know that. Even Dusin said it, this choke would have caught 90% of fighters but khabib is above that. You have no idea if Khabib will ever get caught, unless you were a medium.

Dustin is also saying If his technique was better he could have gotten him. He just didn't.

Diving in and letting someone take your kneck like that can bite you in the ass. And I don't think it matters to khabib who you are. That's all hes got and hes gonna do it anyway. That's why hes so damn good. Because he doesn't worry about what your good at or any of that.. he just shoots and beats you up.

Hes a lot like Fedor. And look what finally beat Fedor, jumping into someones guard and not giving a fuck. But both him and Fedor have already won soooooo many fights that losing doesn't matter anymore. They're both millionaires and goats. I'm just saying he can be choked out like anyone else and Dustin was pretty close. That's all

 

[DirtyBadger]

who is chuck

 

[Iron Skin]

And what did Pettis proved when he finished Oliveira with a guillotine?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

KZ would tap to habib too ...

Nah. Zombie is a beast but Khabib would nullify his game on the ground. Zombie does his best work from back control and closed guard. Positions you are not gonna be able to maintain against Khabib

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

And what did Pettis proved when he finished Oliveira with a guillotine?

Note that he finished it the same way Dustin attempted. It's actually a much better finishing position than doing it from closed guard. Only down side is that if you don't get the finish, you lose position

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Dustin is also saying If his technique was better he could have gotten him. He just didn't.

Diving in and letting someone take your kneck like that can bite you in the ass. And I don't think it matters to khabib who you are. That's all hes got and hes gonna do it anyway. That's why hes so damn good. Because he doesn't worry about what your good at or any of that.. he just shoots and beats you up.

Hes a lot like Fedor. And look what finally beat Fedor, jumping into someones guard and not giving a fuck. But both him and Fedor have already won soooooo many fights that losing doesn't matter anymore. They're both millionaires and goats. I'm just saying he can be choked out like anyone else and Dustin was pretty close. That's all

Difference between him and Fedor is that Khabib avoids closed guard. Always stuffs the bottom leg so that he can defend and pass.

It's still a risky game but Khabib is smart enough to stack the odds in his favor. Calculated risk vs overconfidence

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Charles might be able to catch Khabib because he's an unorthodox bjj guy. He's submission over position where most traditional guys are the other way around.

All it takes is Charles to go for something unexpected at an unexpected time. Flying arm bar leading to a back scramble leading to a knee slicer for the victory type stuff.

 

[Beherit]

Nah. Zombie is a beast but Khabib would nullify his game on the ground. Zombie does his best work from back control and closed guard. Positions you are not gonna be able to maintain against Khabib

it is what I was saying bro

 

[rjmbrd]

Pettis?

Pettis tapped because of his damaged rib. There was no submission.

 

[rjmbrd]

Dustin has shown very good positional grappling. He just isn't a finisher on the ground. I think he had Alvarez dead to rights with that guillotine before he started grabbing the fence.

And KZ is a beast on the mat. No Shane in taking that L

I'll repeat what I said previously - Dustin hasn't had a submission win his last 18 fights. By elite MMA standards he is an unremarkable grappler.

There is a laundry list of fighters in every division across all generations of the sport who can routinely secure submission victories. Poirer, almost as a rule, will not submit his opponent.

He isn't a great measuring stick for tapping out Khabib, because he can't submit far lower quality grapplers.

 

[kingmob6]

Dustin will be telling this story to his grandkids...."I almost choked the greatest grappler ever....".

Realistically though, it wasn't a dangerous position for Khabib, he is much smarter and more experienced of a grappler than Dustin will ever be, so he wasn't even particularly fighting it from the get go. He knew Dustin would fail ahead of time. 3 steps ahead.

Sure, Khabib might get submitted, but realistically, his greatest chance of losing a fight is still on the feet. A bomb that shakes him is the nuclear weapon he must avoid.
On the ground, the chances of him losing a fight are much smaller.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I'll repeat what I said previously - Dustin hasn't had a submission win his last 18 fights. By elite MMA standards he is an unremarkable grappler.

There is a laundry list of fighters in every division across all generations of the sport who can routinely secure submission victories. Poirer, almost as a rule, will not submit his opponent.

He isn't a great measuring stick for tapping out Khabib, because he can't submit far lower quality grapplers.

Dustin is a remarkable grappler he isn't a remarkable submission artist. He soundly out grappled Pettis and was close to getting a submission before Pettis tapped to the body triangle. Out grappled Miller soundly.

I'll say it again, as a positional grappler Dustin is very elite and has proven so many times.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

it is what I was saying bro

Misread

 

[rjmbrd]

Dustin is a remarkable grappler

This is demonstrably untrue. He hasn't tapped anyone in 18 fights, and was submitted by Korean Zombie.

Khabib handled him easier then many of his UFC opponents.

He soundly out grappled Pettis

Lets rephrase this with context: Dustin was the 5th guy in his last 7 fights to beat him. Pettis was in a career spiral. He would go on to lose 3 of his next 5.

Overall Pettis is on a 4-8 losing streak when Dustin beat him, roughly in the middle of this bomb dive. He also didn't tap Pettis, the guy gave up because he was injured. Two fights later Pettis would again give up between rounds claiming injury.

I'll say it again, as a positional grappler Dustin is very elite and has proven so many times.

Not even close.

He's a competent, but unremarkable grappler.