Dragon Ball vs Dragon Ball Z

[Linkuei]

Yeah , but not unbeatable

Taking the energy of the whole universe sounds pretty tough bro lol. No one in the DBZ universe was unbeatable though.

No yea you're right in this case it was two battles because the plan was to let Gotenks have another go so once him and Picollo were absorbed then it was the start of a new fight.

There ya go!

 

[Nights1515]

I am going to be completely candid:

I was a huge DBZ fan beginning in 1997. That is when it first showed on WPIX11 here in NY. About a year later, it started showing on CN and I remained hooked.

I mean, I truly was obsessed with DBZ. I loved it beyond words.

I watched this shit daily hoping for new episodes. I would get CRESTFALLEN when a new ep wasn't shown.

But now that I look back on DBZ and I compare it to DB, I realize:

DBZ was a crock of shit.

It was repetitive, stocked to the gills with filler (Fake Namek, 'Gone Fishin'!' eps...), and Cell and Buu were basically copies of eachother and, only slightly more obliquely, of Freeza.

Contrariwise, Dragon Ball was/is a fantastic anime. It is a magnificent mix of martial arts action, light hearted and pervy (in a non-obscene way) humour, fantasy, and adventure. There is very, very little filler, the characters brim with life and grow as the series progress, and the story moves from plot to plot without the sort of "here's ten episodes of Goku powering up!", or "here's how they get to ANOTHER Super Sayian level!".

Oh, that's another thing: DBZ ruined the fantasy elements for crap Scifi elements. They turned the Monkey King Goku into a fucking alien, one of many, and took them to dumb alien worlds. The characters also became ludicrously powerful and it became just about throwing ki shots at eachother, rather than cool martial arts moves like in DB.

I -highly- recommend DB, but I suggest skipping DBZ if you are an adult. If you are a young teen, it's still worth watching, but watch Kai - it is the abridged version that cuts out the crap filler and is remastered.

This is how I feel too just started watching DB and I'm at the Tien Saga right now. I noticed DBZ got rid of almost all the animal people as well which is strange.

 

[FlyThai**]

Here's Tien's fight finder as requested by Heavyarms

W vs Nam
W vs Yamcha
W vs Jackie Chun
L vs Goku
L vs Drum
L vs King Piccolo
W vs Cybor Mercenary Tao
L vs Goku
W vs Saibamen
L vs Nappa (submission)
W vs Burter
W va Jeice
NC vs Semi Perfect Cell
L vs Garlic Jr
L vs Super Buu

7-7. Goku and the King Piccolo arc tainted his record. Other than that he was solid gatekeeper.

 

[billdog]

someone do freizas record lol

 

[Lethal]

I preferred DBZ as a kid, but watching it now as I'm older I think DB is the better series.

In terms of fighters, Vegito is the #1 P4P and GOAT.

 

[FlyThai**]

someone do freizas record lol

Haha good choice. This is fun!

W vs King Vegeta (KO flying knee)
W vs Bardock (KO genocide)
W vs Nail (submission)
W vs Vegeta (decision)
W vs Krillin (KO Horn to chest)
W vs Gohan (split decision)
L vs Piccolo (second form)
W vs Piccolo (third form)
W vs Vegeta (killshot made homie cry)
W vs Goku (non supersaiyan)
L vs Goku (supersaiyan)
L vs Trunks (sliced and diced)

Is Frieza GOAT? He only lost outside his prime to supersaiyans

9-3 overall record

 

[Oreomeister]

W vs Saiyan Race (genocide)

 

[Linkuei]

His legacy was ruined when he brought his dad to fight his fight and they both got KO.

 

[PowellPride]

Dragon Ball you say?
Cause I'll be Dragon My balls across the wife's face tonite boy.

 

[heavyarms21]

His legacy was ruined when he brought his dad to fight his fight and they both got KO.

Agreed, I thought frieza was supposed to be a fucking galaxy overlord, but he brings his dad to fight the bullies that beat him up , what the hell

 

[Nights1515]

Haha good choice. This is fun!

W vs King Vegeta (KO flying knee)
W vs Bardock (KO genocide)
W vs Nail (submission)
W vs Vegeta (decision)
W vs Krillin (KO Horn to chest)
W vs Gohan (split decision)
L vs Piccolo (second form)
W vs Piccolo (third form)
W vs Vegeta (killshot made homie cry)
W vs Goku (non supersaiyan)
L vs Goku (supersaiyan)
L vs Trunks (sliced and diced)

Is Frieza GOAT? He only lost outside his prime to supersaiyans

9-3 overall record

Oh great here come the Fedor vs. Frieza topics on heavyweight boards ! :icon_lol:


So what are you going to skip Yamcha or what??

 

[FlyThai**]

W vs Saiyan Race (genocide)

I included that with the Bardock fight

His legacy was ruined when he brought his dad to fight his fight and they both got KO.

Haha I almost spit my water out of my keyboard!

That is hilariously embarassing but it doesn't tarnish his legacy too much...right?

Oh great here come the Fedor vs. Frieza topics on heavyweight boards ! :icon_lol:


So what are you going to skip Yamcha or what??

Ha! Just like Fedor, Frieza had an aura of invincibility before he fought Goku. Then it was all downhill

I did Yamcha a while back. Look a couple of pages back. I believe he ended up being 2-9 with no top wins

 

[PalharesIsHulk**]

Gohan's amended Fight Finder record.

L - Super Buu/w Gotenks & Picollo (absorbption)
W - Super Buu (Decision 10-7 rnd)
L - Fat Buu (KO, owned)
D - Dabura
W - Spopovich (DQ)
W - Super-Pefrect Cell (KO)
W - Cell Jr. x7 (KO)
W - Garlic Jr. (KO)
W - Salt (KO)
W - Mustard (KO)
W - Vinegar (KO)
W - Spice (KO)
L - Vegeta
L - Frieza (TKO)
L - Recoome (TKO)
L - Guldo
W - Vegeta (TKO)
L - Nappa (TKO)
W - Dinosaur (LOL)

17-7-1

Anyone else think that he is sort of the BJ Penn of DBZ?

 

[Workaholic]

Gohan's amended Fight Finder record.

L - Super Buu/w Gotenks & Picollo (absorbption)
W - Super Buu (Decision 10-7 rnd)
L - Fat Buu (KO, owned)
D - Dabura
W - Spopovich (DQ)
W - Super-Pefrect Cell (KO)
W - Cell Jr. x7 (KO)
W - Garlic Jr. (KO)
W - Salt (KO)
W - Mustard (KO)
W - Vinegar (KO)
W - Spice (KO)
L - Vegeta
L - Frieza (TKO)
L - Recoome (TKO)
L - Guldo
W - Vegeta (TKO)
L - Nappa (TKO)
W - Dinosaur (LOL)

17-7-1

Anyone else think that he is sort of the BJ Penn of DBZ?

Great fighter who never fully realized his potential? I buy that comparison

 

[Nights1515]

Yeah. It got rid of the feel of the series.

Turning Kami/Piccolo into aliens really pissed me off, too.

Yeah, and doesn't Piccolo have a bother that looks nothing like a Namek lmao.

 

[AxeMurderer90]

Gohan's amended Fight Finder record.

L - Super Buu/w Gotenks & Picollo (absorbption)
W - Super Buu (Decision 10-7 rnd)
L - Fat Buu (KO, owned)
D - Dabura
W - Spopovich (DQ)
W - Super-Pefrect Cell (KO)
W - Cell Jr. x7 (KO)
W - Garlic Jr. (KO)
W - Salt (KO)
W - Mustard (KO)
W - Vinegar (KO)
W - Spice (KO)
L - Vegeta
L - Frieza (TKO)
L - Recoome (TKO)
L - Guldo
W - Vegeta (TKO)
L - Nappa (TKO)
W - Dinosaur (LOL)

17-7-1

Anyone else think that he is sort of the BJ Penn of DBZ?

Ya he was motivated Gohan during the cell saga

 

[PalharesIsHulk**]

He had abs!

If he stuck to his training after Cell he wouldn't have been pummeled so easily by Fat Buu, heck he could've even made SSJ3.

 

[Ryan Wagner**]

There's a difference?

 

[PalharesIsHulk**]

He said the Supreme Kai told him to take TRT and he refused.

Stupid move imo, there was no drug testing in that fight, he should have used every advantage available to him.

 

[zackryder]

You got dubs again??? Sheesh. And yea I can agree to an extent with what you said.

he likes to live dangerously