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Downloading Instructional Torrents

A). A man cannot afford DVDs. He sees they are freely available on the web. He downloads.

B). A man cannot afford DVDs. He sees they are freely available on the web. He does not download. Others still download.

C). A man cannot afford DVDs. He sees they are freely available on the web. He does not download. Somehow, others do not download.

D). No one uploads DVDs on the web.

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In each and every scenario above, the instructor/DVD maker will not make any more profit. The only scenario that will create profit from someone who would have otherwise downloaded:

E). A man cannot afford DVDs. He sees they are freely available on the web. He decides to pick up an additional job so he can afford DVDs.

Now, in what world is that likely? I'm just saying.

Being poorer myself, I cannot afford these instructionals. If I come into extra money, it has more important places to go. If I can download, and I choose not to, what am I accomplishing? It's not like I'd purchase unless I had SUBSTANTIALLY more disposable income. I'm not withholding money from anybody, I don't have it to give. I'm not hurting anybody by downloading, and if I choose not to for some pseudo-moral reason, I'm only hurting myself.

Let's be real. The market does not work based on the moral good of the people. People who buy instructionals have the money to spend, and they spend it because it is more convenient to order a DVD, forget about, and have a nice packaged set show up at their door later...rather than keeping a share ratio on a torrent site or suffering long downloads and possibly inferior quality. This is also why there needs to be legal downloads of these instructionals available soon...because people who can afford to pay want convenience, and while everything else may be convenient, it is not convenient to wait 2-3 weeks for the hottest instructional.
 
you don't talk about torrents on this forum. THis thread should be deleted and the TS banned

I didn't know you couldn't talk about torrents. I didn't link any sites. I didn't even state that I've downloaded any torrents.

A mod can delete the thread if they'd like. I just wanted to hear some opinions.

Calling for my ban for that? Are you serious? I know you're a regular here and contribute a lot to the forum but I'm still inclined to call you a prick.

If what I did was ban-able, so beit. I'll take my punishment.
 
Dude, there is a reason why alot of the fighters and competitors stopped comming to sherdog and stuff like this and fighter bashing are some reasons behind it.
 
I didn't know you couldn't talk about torrents. I didn't link any sites. I didn't even state that I've downloaded any torrents.

A mod can delete the thread if they'd like. I just wanted to hear some opinions.

Calling for my ban for that? Are you serious? I know you're a regular here and contribute a lot to the forum but I'm still inclined to call you a prick.

If what I did was ban-able, so beit. I'll take my punishment.

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You didn't solicit or post any links to copyrighted material, so technically what you did is not against the rules as I read them.

You know what is against the rules, though, nefti?

Playing the Role of Moderator: you're not a moderator so don't correct posters like one. If a thread or post violates the rules use the "Report This Post" button, rather than playing the parent.
 
You are taking money out of someone's pocket. I would not do it.
 
Downloading torrents makes me feel like a scumbag.

Well, if you can comfortably drop $40, $50, or more on expensive DVDs, and you just choose not to because you are a miser...you might be a scumbag. If you honestly can't afford them, I don't see why you are a scumbag because you downloaded. Should you deprive yourself when you can very well enjoy the instructional, and you don't have to take anything from anyone else to accomplish this?

If you can say to yourself:

"If this instructional wasn't available for download online, I would not have bought it because there is no other way I could afford it."

You're probably not a douchebag

If it's more like:

"If this instructional wasn't available online, I would have bought it. Because I really wanted it, and really I can afford it, I'm just cheap.

Well......
 
Are you trying to find people to give you moral absolution for piracy?

ill do it me mateys...

'pirating bjj instructionals keeps the knowledge spreading to the people that need it the most. bjj didnt used to be about having the best gi, the flashiest blog, and the biggest dvd collection. if only upper class and rich people can afford that shit, bjj will turn into water polo, lose its streets appeal, and basically turn shit.'
 
ill do it me mateys...

'pirating bjj instructionals keeps the knowledge spreading to the people that need it the most. bjj didnt used to be about having the best gi, the flashiest blog, and the biggest dvd collection. if only upper class and rich people can afford that shit, bjj will turn into water polo, lose its streets appeal, and basically turn shit.'

lol...it's too bad you can't add to a poster's reputation on this forum. I'd hit you up for sure.
 
I would never buy an instructional. I'm just not spending $150 on a couple of hours of bjj footage. I would rather get a private lesson. I just don't see the value. But I will download them once in a while, watch bits and pieces, and then usually never watch again. Am I a bad person now?
 
MMA/UFC/BJJ wouldn't be were it is today without pirating in one way or the other

people traded VHS copies then went online. now MMA/UFC/BJJ can be found all over Europe

it wasn't on TV, we don't have PPV's, yet a market was created. there are brazilians teaching in just about every western euro country. many a club was started by guys getting together, learning of youtube and downloaded DVDs. and now the Euro UFC cards are packed

People still buy into the community as a whole, we pay for training and for seminars, for comps and got gear
 
Lol I love the mentality.

Same shit about the I don't want to have to pay for music it should just be free. So I will just download it and not care that someone/some company put time and resources into creating a product for sale.
 
People just need to stop trying to rationalize it/lie to themselves and just admit "hey I don't want to pay for it, so I will just download it for free".

Seriously it's pretty that much cut and dry in my opinion.
 
People just need to stop trying to rationalize it/lie to themselves and just admit "hey I don't want to pay for it, so I will just download it for free".

Seriously it's pretty that much cut and dry in my opinion.

Says the guy with money to burn. It's a little different when the shoe's on the other foot.
 
I would never buy an instructional. I'm just not spending $150 on a couple of hours of bjj footage. I would rather get a private lesson. I just don't see the value. But I will download them once in a while, watch bits and pieces, and then usually never watch again. Am I a bad person now?

I am here to say that your soul is black as sin and you are going to burn in hell for all of eternity.
 
Says the guy with money to burn. It's a little different when the shoe's on the other foot.

I am paying for a wedding, honeymoon, truck, and house. Where is this money to burn?

I download some instructionals but I don't lie to myself and try to justify it. Just call it what it is and say "hey I don't want to pay for it"

Don't try to make assumptions on what I do or don't have money for to try and rationalize why you won't pay for something.
 
I am paying for a wedding, honeymoon, truck, and house. Where is this money to burn?

I download some instructionals but I don't lie to myself and try to justify it. Just call it what it is and say "hey I don't want to pay for it"

Don't try to make assumptions on what I do or don't have money for to try and rationalize why you won't pay for something.

I hate to burst to your bubble, but what you are describing is just not the case with me. Read my e-lips: I DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.
 
I am paying for a wedding, honeymoon, truck, and house. Where is this money to burn?

I download some instructionals but I don't lie to myself and try to justify it. Just call it what it is and say "hey I don't want to pay for it"

Don't try to make assumptions on what I do or don't have money for to try and rationalize why you won't pay for something.

Most reasonable post in the thread imo.

Keepin it real.
 
I hate to burst to your bubble, but what you are describing is just not the case with me. Read my e-lips: I DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

Hate to burst yours but you could simply NOT download them. Or you could just admit "I don't want to pay"

And never say you can't pay for it. You don't want to be able to pay for it badly enough. You cannot convince me there is no way you can't squeeze 100 bucks out of a budget somewhere or make some extra scratch somehow. If you can't then you shouldn't be spending money on training.

It's never someone can't do something, it's someone doesn't want to work hard enough to earn it/pay for it.

I have the balls to admit, hey I didn't want to pay for a couple of DVDs I did download. Now you try it and cut the bull shot because I don't buy it.
 
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