Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia email scandal shakes the presidency, v5: NOTHING ILLEGAL

[ShadowRun]

That's it #impeachedburger

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Nothing burger. It's fun to watch people squirm though that have a desperate need for this story to be true.

 

[lecter]

Honestly, I consider anyone who ignores this to be a traitor to our nation. You are betraying your nation by not giving a shit about the integrity of our electoral process. If this was Hillary who benefited and colluded, I'd expect the same outrage.

I consider you to be a drama queen.

 

[HereticBD]

Seriously, if you don't even know what propaganda Russia was spreading via social media bots at this point, why the fuck are you even debating this?

And Trump was totally immune to propaganda against him by a infinite amount of sources on the net, right? That shit's a wash, and complaining about it in this day and age is pathetic. Candidates will be subject to a slew of nonsense on the net from here on out. Believing that Russians were the only people doing this during the elections is absurd. Anyone can make a website, and anyone can spam message boards with bots.

Honestly, I consider anyone who ignores this to be a traitor to our nation.

That's adorably hysterical, but I'm Canadian.

Amusing that you're still not addressing the crux of the situation though, which is that if the DNC wasn't a bunch of corrupt bunch of fuckwads behind closed doors, none of this would've been an issue. Not to mention Obama's indifference towards it all. I guess he's a traitor too, since he didn't give a shit when he knew it was going on.

 

[kpt018]

 

[PrinceOfPain]

So?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Just curious if you care to explain why the Republicans have dropped this whole "Russia is our enemy" thing now that their winner was helped by the Russian government? It seems to me like it's a little weird that you wouldn't care about a hostile nation attacking our democratic process and colluding with a candidate to win the Presidency? If Hillary had colluded with the Iranian government to get dirt on a political opponent, wouldn't you have issues with that?

Are you even aware that campaign finance laws make that meeting with Trump Jr and the Russian lawyer explicitly illegal? Collusion aside, it's illegal to even attempt to get services or money from a foreign national. It's literally a crime. Not to mention possible obstruction charges that could be brought forward if they were inclined.

It's just fucking amazing to me that our long time enemy, Russia, who we literally just ended the Cold War with is something Republicans just now decided to not care about when historically conservatives saw Russia as an enemy and any collusion with them was horribly unethical. Going back to the 1940's, the Republican party knew Russia was a hostile nation. Why the change now?

Just as a comparison to what the right thing to do is how in 2000, Al Gore turned over campaign material to the FBI that was unethical for him to have received. That's the right thing to do. Colluding with a hostile nation that you have millions of dollars worth of financial ties with to just to get dirt on your opponent isn't the ethical or legal thing to do.

So why the fuck are you guys pretending like this is a single side issue? This is an issue that should transcend parties. If Hillary was doing that shit, I'd say the exact fucking thing about her. So grow a set of fucking balls and stand up for your nation and stop being a pussy on your party's bandwagon.

This.
Where is the equal horror and dismay?
WHERE'S YOUR PATRIOTISM, YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITES?

 

[DoomPatrol]

I consider you to be a drama queen.

I'm a drama queen because I find colluding with a hostile foreign nation that you have serious financial ties to win the Presidency to be a problem, especially when you gaslight the American people regarding the truth and it influences how you stand up for America against that nation.

I support the American people, not political parties.

And Trump was totally immune to propaganda against him by a infinite amount of sources on the net, right? That shit's a wash, and complaining about it in this day and age is pathetic. Candidates will be subject to a slew of nonsense on the net from here on out. Believing that Russians were the only people doing this during the elections is absurd. Anyone can make a website, and anyone can spam message boards with bots.

There's plenty of propaganda from citizens of this country that I don't give a fuck about. That's normal discourse. It's a problem when you start using our enemies in a coordinated effort to collude. It's also illegal.

That's adorably hysterical, but I'm Canadian.

So what the fuck do you know about American politics?

Amusing that you're still not addressing the crux of the situation though, which is that if the DNC wasn't a bunch of corrupt bunch of fuckwads behind closed doors, none of this would've been an issue. Not to mention Obama's indifference towards it all. I guess he's a traitor too, since he didn't give a shit when he knew it was going on.

Obama wasn't indifferent at all. He went through a long process to determine the correct response without making it seem like the White House was coordinating against the opposing party. He made the choice he thought would best protect the election process. Then he filed sanctions and took action when it made sense to him. Do I agree with how he handled it? No. Did he do nothing? No.

Again, all of this deflection doesn't remove President Trump's personalty responsibility in the situation. You can talk about the people of the past or the people who didn't win all you want, but Trump still has responsibility.

 

[HereticBD]

So what the fuck do you know about American politics?

Foreigners can't know anything about American politics?

Solid logic, and extra hilarious considering that you're trying to blame an election loss on foreigners.

ROFL.

Obama wasn't indifferent at all. He went through a long process to determine the correct response without making it seem like the White House was coordinating against the opposing party. He made the choice he thought would best protect the election process. Then he filed sanctions and took action when it made sense to him.

And when did it make sense to him again? Oh' right, after his team lost.

Again, all of this deflection doesn't remove President Trump's personalty responsibility in the situation. You can talk about the people of the past or the people who didn't win all you want, but Trump still has responsibility.

His responsibility is being President Of The United States. A position he won in a fair election.

 

[bufetadanacara]

You're right, it's not 1940 anymore. It's 2017 and for the last 70 years we've been hostile towards each other. The Cold War, which almost ended in nuclear war didn't end officially until 1991. Since then, we've been hostile through proxy wars, such as Afghanistan in the 90s, Angolan Civil War, then the Middle East. That entire time, Russia has been spying on the United States and making various economic and IT attacks on our country (and vice versa).

Pre-Trump Presidency, the Republicans knew that Russia was a hostile nation and wasn't our ally. We worked with them as best as you can because you make peace with enemies not friends. Now, you're acting like colluding with them to win the Presidency isn't a big deal when Trump has millions of dollars worth of investments in Russia that he's chosen to hide from us. On top of that, he's been gas lighting the American people with his utter lack of ability to be truthful about the situation.

Your party would have shit a fucking brick if it was Hillary Clinton working with the Russian government to collude on dirt against Trump and you and I both know that's a fucking fact. What Trump has done is fucking bullshit and you're only making excuses because it's your guy and you don't want to admit his wrongdoings.

First of all, I don't know what you mean by "your party". I don't have a dog in the fight and I think that Trump is an idiot.

Secondly, even if there was collusion, I think it is a small price to pay if it ensures a healthy relationship with Russia.


I should mention that I also suspect Hillary to be shady as hell and I imagine her to be just is corrupt as Trump. Those were perhaps the worst two presidential candidates in the history of the nation and they happened to run against each other.

Corrupt or not, I prefer that Russia and USA be allies.

 

[all caps]

Just curious if you care to explain why the Republicans have dropped this whole "Russia is our enemy" thing now that their winner was helped by the Russian government? It seems to me like it's a little weird that you wouldn't care about a hostile nation attacking our democratic process and colluding with a candidate to win the Presidency? If Hillary had colluded with the Iranian government to get dirt on a political opponent, wouldn't you have issues with that?

Are you even aware that campaign finance laws make that meeting with Trump Jr and the Russian lawyer explicitly illegal? Collusion aside, it's illegal to even attempt to get services or money from a foreign national. It's literally a crime. Not to mention possible obstruction charges that could be brought forward if they were inclined.

It's just fucking amazing to me that our long time enemy, Russia, who we literally just ended the Cold War with is something Republicans just now decided to not care about when historically conservatives saw Russia as an enemy and any collusion with them was horribly unethical. Going back to the 1940's, the Republican party knew Russia was a hostile nation. Why the change now?

Just as a comparison to what the right thing to do is how in 2000, Al Gore turned over campaign material to the FBI that was unethical for him to have received. That's the right thing to do. Colluding with a hostile nation that you have millions of dollars worth of financial ties with to just to get dirt on your opponent isn't the ethical or legal thing to do.

So why the fuck are you guys pretending like this is a single side issue? This is an issue that should transcend parties. If Hillary was doing that shit, I'd say the exact fucking thing about her. So grow a set of fucking balls and stand up for your nation and stop being a pussy on your party's bandwagon.

I'm not qualified to speak on behalf of republicans. I'm not even a republican.

 

[all caps]

However, If you have any questions about gardening, the seattle mariners or what it takes to become an elite sherdog poster, I'd be happy to help.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Foreigners can't know anything about American politics?

Solid logic, and extra hilarious considering that you're trying to blame an election loss on foreigners.

Where did I place blame on the election loss solely to foreigners? I don't know how many times I need to say that the DNC had their own issues before you'll stop deflecting responsibility from Trump.

And when did it make sense to him again? Oh' right, after his team lost.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to release that before the election with your logic? He held onto the information that could have easily made a win for Hillary during the election and waited to release it until after it was too late? Great logic!

His responsibility is being President Of The United States. A position he won in a fair election.

As President of the United States, he has a responsibility to the nation and it's people and to defend our nation from foreign threats. A hostile nation meddling in our democratic process with a hacking campaign is a clear attack.

First of all, I don't know what you mean by "your party". I don't have a dog in the fight and I think that Trump is an idiot.

Secondly, even if there was collusion, I think it is a small price to pay if it ensures a healthy relationship with Russia.


I should mention that I also suspect Hillary to be shady as hell and I imagine her to be just is corrupt as Trump. Those were perhaps the worst two presidential candidates in the history of the nation and they happened to run against each other.

Corrupt or not, I prefer that Russia and USA be allies.

I would prefer for America to not have enemies, but that's not the reality of this world. Russia isn't our friend and has no intentions on being our friend. And seriously, you think colluding with a nation we are openly in hostilities with to win the Presidency when you have millions of dollars in business on the line isn't a problem?

 

[HereticBD]

Where did I place blame on the election loss solely to foreigners? I don't know how many times I need to say that the DNC had their own issues before you'll stop deflecting responsibility from Trump.

Those issues being that they had information hidden behind closed doors that could compromise them, and that if that information ever got out, nobody would give a flying fuck how it got out, and feel sorry for them.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to release that before the election with your logic? He held onto the information that could have easily made a win for Hillary during the election and waited to release it until after it was too late? Great logic!

My logic is that he didn't give a shit. It was a non-issue until his team lost, and they needed an excuse. That's all it is. I'm pretty sure we've gone over this before, but Obama's excuse that he didn't want to appear partisan, is a fucking joke. He simply didn't care, because Hillary was a shoe in.

As President of the United States, he has a responsibility to the nation and it's people and to defend our nation from foreign threats. A hostile nation meddling in our democratic process with a hacking campaign is a clear attack.

He wasn't President when it was happening. Who was that guy again, who was fully aware of this and did nothing to protect the citizens from a hostile foreign nation hacking their brains?

LOL.

 

[bufetadanacara]

I would prefer for America to not have enemies, but that's not the reality of this world. Russia isn't our friend and has no intentions on being our friend. And seriously, you think colluding with a nation we are openly in hostilities with to win the Presidency when you have millions of dollars in business on the line isn't a problem?

You simply do not know this, you are speculating. It doesn't matter what you say, you are speculating. You may very well may have hit the nail on the head, but we don't know that.

You are convinced that what you've said is true and are deaf to anything that contradicts your idea.

I don't know if Trump can help to improve relations with Russia but, from my perspective, that's what seems to be happening. I hope I'm right but I certainly can't be as convinced as you seem to be.


Again, the whole problem here is a "secret meeting" between one world leader and another. Big fucking deal, I am sure that presidents have 20 private conversations daily. I just assume it is what they do.

 

[sangreporsangre]

This particular situation might not be the biggest deal, being in a crowded room or whatever - I originally pictured a private meeting behind closed doors - but the big picture is extremely concerning, and I don't understand how Trump supporters can act like it's not. All these ties to the Russians that you only find out after the fact. Constant lies about contact between Trump's people and Russian representatives. Unless you think the Russians are good allies and have America's best interests at heart, this should concern you.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

It doesn't look like he's much of a shooter.

 

[HereticBD]

This particular situation might not be the biggest deal, being in a crowded room or whatever - I originally pictured a private meeting behind closed doors - but the big picture is extremely concerning, and I don't understand how Trump supporters can act like it's not. All these ties to the Russians that you only find out after the fact. Constant lies about contact between Trump's people and Russian representatives. Unless you think the Russians are good allies and have America's best interests at heart, this should concern you.

This does not apply to the whole "non-disclosure" shit. It wasn't a "secret" meeting. It was conversation in a crowded room.

Be more upset at the media for publishing nonsense like this, and discrediting future reporting on what might be a serious story.

 

[sangreporsangre]

This does not apply to the whole "non-disclosure" shit. It wasn't a "secret" meeting. It was conversation in a crowded room.

Be more upset at the media for publishing nonsense like this, and discrediting future reporting on what might be a serious story.

I agree that this particular incident isn't a huge deal. I don't like the idea of that senile orange fuck having a one-on-one with that supervillain with no American close enough to witness though. If Trump is the one who approached him, he should have brought his own translator. But yea this isn't the biggest deal. All the other stuff is extremely concerning though. And yes the media is bullshit, I am upset at them. I'm seeing the exact same dynamic of Rob Ford in Toronto being played out on a much larger scale, and I put most of the blame for that on the MSM.

 

[*Z*]

So our government should be bullied into having no contact with a foreign government because one side apparently has a major issue, or agenda, with said foreign government? That seems a little weird to me. Should the dnc and media have that kind of power? Should the Republican party have that kind of power over the dnc?

Why can't we work together on this? Why are we trying to sabotage one another? Am I the only one who finds this entire strategy terrible? What am I missing here. Someone please help me

The first thing he should do is disclose such a meeting if he's going to have one and stop letting things come out in the media before he admits them. A guy couldn't try to look as shady as Trump does by "accident"

Is Robert Mueller the leftist media? He was appointed by Trump's own staff. This is not something the left or the media made up.