Donald Cerrone is a lot of things. ‘UFC Hall of Famer’ isn’t one of them - J. Snowden (Bloody elbow)

[Iroh]

It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Champions, nor the Hall of GOATs.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

i see so you stingy hof fans would have who?

jones
aldo
gsp
silva
mm
bj

and no one else?

bisping is a for sure no brainer based on skill, accomplishments, and notoriety. cerrone imo deserves the same.

Not sure you have my position right at all. For starters, I've argued that Bisping is sort of a cut off fighter. I'd have him out, but I can see why folks would have him in. I'd put Cowboy just under him career wise, so I'd have him just missing the HoF too.

As far as your list, I'd have more fighters than that. Probably 3-5 from every division, with some divisions having more and others less.

 

[OldBoy91]

Nonsense. I feel quite certain CM Punk would lose to Fedor. Thinking Bisping would lose to other top MWs of his time is a closer matter than that to be sure, but the principle stands. If Bisping was better than other top MWs of his time, why was his title shot only a replacement when the true contender pulled out of the fight?

No it isn't nonsense. You base a fighter's worthiness to enter something like the HOF on their career achievements.

Not the imaginary fights they lost in your head.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Cerrone was one of the best gate keepers. Not sure if that's deserving of Hall of Fame IMO.

He was ranked top 3 at his best, fought for the title in WEC (many scored it for him against Benson) and UFC. You dont know what gatekeeper means or are using your own definition if you call Donald a gatekeeper. A gatekeeper is someone like Neil Magny. Donald was an elite top LW contender in his prime.

 

[Iroh]

Nonsense. I feel quite certain CM Punk would lose to Fedor. Thinking Bisping would lose to other top MWs of his time is a closer matter than that to be sure, but the principle stands. If Bisping was better than other top MWs of his time, why was his title shot only a replacement when the true contender pulled out of the fight?

Are you saying the best fighters/contenders always get the TS offered first?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

No it isn't nonsense. You base a fighter's worthiness to enter something like the HOF on their career achievements.

Not the imaginary fights they lost in your head.

I didn't say he lost any imaginary fights. I said he wasn't the best fighter in his division, and my argument was his inability to directly earn a title shot. When he KOed Rockhold, which was glorious moment, he wasn't really the top contender. He was a replacement for Weidman, who injured himself somehow. His defense against a fighter who wasn't top ten doesn't really add a lot to his legacy. Neither does his subsequent loss to GSP.

 

[VanMMA]

Cerrone is one of the best lightweights of our era. He was able to achieve two title shots in WEC and 1 in UFC. He didn't ever become champion but he was most certainly a champion caliber fighter. That level of consistency over a decade should surely count for something.

 

[OldBoy91]

I didn't say he lost any imaginary fights. I said he wasn't the best fighter in his division, and my argument was his inability to directly earn a title shot. When he KOed Rockhold, which was glorious moment, he wasn't really the top contender. He was a replacement for Weidman, who injured himself somehow. His defense against a fighter who wasn't top ten doesn't really add a lot to his legacy. Neither does his subsequent loss to GSP.

He was ranked 4th at the time iirc. The number 2 guy was Weidman who pulled out with injury and they offered it to the number 3 guy Jacare who didn't accept the fight.

How deserving he was shouldn't really matter in this instance. He was as deserving as anybody else that wasn't immediately offered the title shot.

As for the other 2 guys Sherdog claim should have been given the shot instead of Bisping, Romero was serving a PED suspension, Mousasi was on a mighty 1 fight win streak.

Again, none of this is relevant though. HOF placements are based on a fighters achievements. Not what fans think about how they would fare against other fighters in their division.

 

[melans]

It's Hall of Fame, not Hall of Chmpions.
Cerrone has been a fan favourite for a long long time.

 

[OldBoy91]

It's Hall of Fame, not Hall of Chmpions.
Cerrone has been a fan favourite for a long long time.

Even if it was Hall of Champions. Sherdog doesn't think half of them should get in either.

If Sherdoggers controlled the HOF there would be like 3 entrants.

 

[David Street]

Cybog, Mighty Mouse, Ngannou thought UFC was for the best but UFC is for the masses. Cowboy is a people's hero, a hero for the masses.

 

[melans]

Even if it was Hall of Champions. Sherdog doesn't think half of them should get in either.

If Sherdoggers controlled the HOF there would be like 3 entrants.

Haha true, sherdoggers think 99% of MMA fighters are scared to compete.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

 

[Joshuaace]

I've watched since UFC 2. Most people (including myself) didn't know about UFC 1 unless you followed martial arts magazines closely back then. You clearly don't understand the significance of Smith-Coleman and your own standards are at least as arbitrary and biased as the UFC HoF. Deal with it. Or cope and display your ignorance. Your choice.

Not sure if the ad was local or national, but we learned of UFC 1 from an ad during Hollyfield/Bowe 2 ppv the previous weekend. Most people were talking about "Fan Man" afterwards. My little Boxing/WWF ppv group was talking about mofo's throwing bones inside a cage in a couple days (and fan man lol).

I'm okay with Cowboy and guys like Miller, Guida, Maia, making it on just longevity alone. A poster on the wall after 30 cage fights in the premiere org. Seems fair to me.

 

[Goutfather]

cowboy 100% deserves to be there. obviously fame-wise, money-wise, excitement-wise, schedule-wise, etc. few compare. but in his prime he was championship material. the 8-fight run up to his title shot was ridiculous—alvarez (vacating bellator champ and future ufc champ), benson (recent former ufc champ), myles jury (undefeated), barboza (blue chip prospect with one loss), plus dunham, jim miller, martins, and makdessi (all fought fighters with strong winning records). if the timing of his schedule were different, cerrone could have very well fought alvarez for the title, and we’d all be talking about “former champ of the most stacked division.” people these days complain about dariush having to win 8 straight over the likes of washed up tony ferguson and drakkar close. gimme a break.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Donald Cerrone is definitely a Hall of Famer.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Inspired by this thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-one-of-them-j-snowden-bloody-elbow.4284936/

I believe so, he fought the who's who in the UFC and he had very exciting fights.

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

No.

 

[GSP_37]

Hall of Elite or Hall of Fame? You can be famous and not be elite fighter. Since there's no Hall of Elite, I'm guessing Hall of Fame is the best of the best, not most famous.

GSP
Royce
Anderson
Mir
Big Nog
Jones
Stipe
Hughes

 

[Russ82]

Was good fighter but Hall of Fame should be the top 1% IMO