Does Volk get the title of GOAT FW back if he regains the title?

christensen85 said:
I'm so torn on him fighting Lopes. I'm stoked to see it and it does make sense to a point, but here's my 2 cents, if Volk wins i think everyone is gonna have a hard time saying he's the undisputed champion even though Topuria is essentially gone. But, if Lopes wins, I can get behind the term "Undisputed" because Lopes doesn't have that loss to the champ. It sounds dumb, but my mind can at least say "Well, Lopes won the belt and didn't lose to Topuria ny KO last year." Volk would be rad, but there's that small asterisk next to Undisputed, at least until Volk gets a few wins. ....I don't know, I'm probably overthinking it, but it reminds me of Jon Jones getting stripped at 205 and everyone knew the Undisputed champ wasn't DC at the time even though it was what he was called.
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people are underestimating how useful this is for Topuria. If Volk wins, it kind of proves Topuria had no reason to waste his time at FW any more.

if Diego wins, then that actually lets the division build itself back up. If Topuria's 155 run doesnt go well, he can go down to 145, possibly beat Diego and it would be seen as a much better win than if he had beaten a non-champion.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
people are underestimating how useful this is for Topuria. If Volk wins, it kind of proves Topuria had no reason to waste his time at FW any more.

if Diego wins, then that actually lets the division build itself back up. If Topuria's 155 run doesnt go well, he can go down to 145, possibly beat Diego and it would be seen as a much better win than if he had beaten a non-champion.
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Lopes winning definitely makes the division stay super relevant. My heart wants Volk, but if he wins I think we're all gonna quietly know he's only champ cause Topuria took off. But, who knows, if Topuria can't make weight anymore, then he's not a featherweight and he just struck while he could.
 
Dr Fong said:
The Conor loss is far less important than the Volk and 2 Max fights. A single reckless exchange in 13 seconds (where he also split Conor open) doesn't tell us much but the drawn out fights vs Max and Volk did.

There have been 4 UFC featherweight champions. Ilia has beaten two of them, Volk has beaten two of them, Conor has beaten two of them, Max has beaten one of them and Aldo has beaten zero of them, despite 4 failed attempts.

It makes no sense for these people to go around trying to convince themselves that Aldo was the best of all four, when this is very demonstrably not true.
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If there was 1 rematch I wanted more than anytbing, it was Aldo vs Conor. That 13 second KO was definitely earned, but I just never personally thought Conor was straight better. I'd be fine being wrong, but I thought a rematch would happen and we'd at least get more closure. Imagine if Couture never got a rematch against Belfort after he lost the belt due to that cut on his eyelid. It's a little different, but similar in terms of how I felt personally after the fight.
 
Volk already has whatever prestige he has from his previous title run. Unless he beats Ilya for it, it proves nothing.
 
Defences are what matter.

Aldo was always going to lose someday, but 9 consecutive defences of the best FW belt is unparalleled. Clear GOAT.


As an Aussie who likes and lives right near Volk, I'd like to believe he was goat. But it was and still is Aldo.
 
christensen85 said:
If there was 1 rematch I wanted more than anytbing, it was Aldo vs Conor. That 13 second KO was definitely earned, but I just never personally thought Conor was straight better. I'd be fine being wrong, but I thought a rematch would happen and we'd at least get more closure. Imagine if Couture never got a rematch against Belfort after he lost the belt due to that cut on his eyelid. It's a little different, but similar in terms of how I felt personally after the fight.
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True, imagine if JDS vs Cain never had a rematch.
 
HeffDoesWant said:
Defences are what matter.

Aldo was always going to lose someday, but 9 consecutive defences of the best FW belt is unparalleled. Clear GOAT.


As an Aussie who likes and lives right near Volk, I'd like to believe he was goat. But it was and still is Aldo.
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I think the belt concept gets too much emphasis. Nobody cares what belt was on the line when Leonard beat Hearns or Duran beat Leonard. It’s more about the resume & skills displayed.

1 of the 2 classic Rampage v Wandy bouts was in a Grand Prix tourney. Wandy’s belt wasn’t on the line. Shogun never held the strap in Pride, but he was rightfully regarded as the best 203-205er because of his resume (mainly from winning the 203 Grand Prix).

I care less about the number of title defenses & more about their resume & skills displayed. Volk or Lopez still will be paper champions imo, because the best 145 vacated the belt.

DC has less LW title defenses than Tito, but I’d consider DC to be the better LHW. Wins over Rumble & Gus (when DC beat them) trump Tito’s best victories during his run.

I personally believe it’s close, but I pick Volk. As great as Max is, it was Volk who kept him from the top spot. The Boxing, leg kicks, wrestling, submission Defense, plus beating Max 2-1 gives him the edge.
 
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He does if you want him to. It’s a subjective made up list with no rules.
 
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Dr Fong said:
Aldo is 0-4 vs Conor, Max and Volk, getting stopped in 3 and 30-27ed in the other - he wasn't just beaten, he was decisively beaten. All while 32 or under, so either in prime or very close to it.

And to top it off, Aldo's opponents never beat any of those guys either, going something like 0-10. So he can't even MMA math his way to a victory over one of them.

You simply can't have that kind of record against the other elite guys of your division and claim to be the best.
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I 100% agree with this. While head to head isn't always the determining factor, in this case Aldo losing decisively to 3 other HW champions it is. I personally can't call Aldo the goat knowing he was clearly beaten like that. If he just lost to Conor, it wouldn't be a big deal. Then the Volk loss, still can get away with it. But throw in the 2 TKO losses to Max, Aldo can't be goat. And this is coming from a massive Aldo fan going back to the start of his career.

I got it was Volk and if he wins the title back it's pretty clear.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
people are underestimating how useful this is for Topuria. If Volk wins, it kind of proves Topuria had no reason to waste his time at FW any more.

if Diego wins, then that actually lets the division build itself back up. If Topuria's 155 run doesnt go well, he can go down to 145, possibly beat Diego and it would be seen as a much better win than if he had beaten a non-champion.
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I suspect thats probably why he's moved up, there are definitely contenders to fight at 145 but there mostly names on the way up not massive fights and the Volk rematch arguably isn't either since most people thin the result will be the same.

He probably thinks LW gives him the bigger fights, J/Dustin in a 5 rounder honestly I suspect would draw more PPV buys than any fight at 145 right now for him and a title fight with Islam obviously would.

If LW doesnt go well for him them the fights at BM will arguably be more hyped, either Volk will have the belt and some hype back or someone new will be champion and built up more.

He was talking about retiring relatively young not too long ago wasnt he?
 
Sherdoggers have opinions but I'm going to defer to the former FW champs themselves. Fighters who first hand found out just how hard it is to successfully defend the belt multiple times over multiple years.


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Alexander Volkanovski calls Jose Aldo featherweight GOAT ahead of UFC 301: ‘He’s how a champion should be’

Alexander Volkanovski hasn't changed his mind on his choice for the greatest featherweight in UFC history.
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Volkanovski admitted Aldo’s UFC record seven title defenses at featherweight makes him the greatest in the history of the division.

“I can appreciate what Aldo’s done, you know what I mean,” Volkanovski said. “That’s for other people to decide but you know for me, if you’re going to ask me, I’m going to say Aldo because you know, he was a champion for a very long time.

“Obviously, people are going to look at competition and all that, but to be champion that long, things go wrong. You fight injured, there’s so many things that can go wrong and to be champion that long, it’s saying something. He was very dominant as champion, as well, so full respect to Aldo.”

 
Jackonfire said:
Sherdoggers have opinions but I'm going to defer to the former FW champs themselves. Fighters who first hand found out just how hard it is to successfully defend the belt multiple times over multiple years.


sports.yahoo.com

Alexander Volkanovski calls Jose Aldo featherweight GOAT ahead of UFC 301: ‘He’s how a champion should be’

Alexander Volkanovski hasn't changed his mind on his choice for the greatest featherweight in UFC history.
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Volkanovski admitted Aldo’s UFC record seven title defenses at featherweight makes him the greatest in the history of the division.

“I can appreciate what Aldo’s done, you know what I mean,” Volkanovski said. “That’s for other people to decide but you know for me, if you’re going to ask me, I’m going to say Aldo because you know, he was a champion for a very long time.

“Obviously, people are going to look at competition and all that, but to be champion that long, things go wrong. You fight injured, there’s so many things that can go wrong and to be champion that long, it’s saying something. He was very dominant as champion, as well, so full respect to Aldo.”

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HHJ said:
NOT INTERESTED.


Volk is 3-0

Stop with this shit already. We know who is better.
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We don't know who is better at 155 though... No one gave Max a shot with Justin and look how that ended.

Most people would take Gaethje over Volk at 155.
 
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