Does Volk get the title of GOAT FW back if he regains the title?

Dr Fong said:
Aldo is 0-4 vs Conor, Max and Volk, getting stopped in 3 and 30-27ed in the other - he wasn't just beaten, he was decisively beaten. All while 32 or under, so either in prime or very close to it.

And to top it off, Aldo's opponents never beat any of those guys either, going something like 0-10. So he can't even MMA math his way to a victory over one of them.

You simply can't have that kind of record against the other elite guys of your division and claim to be the best.
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They all came long after he was king.

You can sit here and say he was only 32 but you also forget Aldo turned pro at 17. He was already winning title fights for years before Max, Conor and Volk showed up.

Every champ will eventually lose his belt. It doesn't always mean the next guy is better than him. It usually means the champ is exhausted and worn out from trying to reach the top of the sport and then also defending his spot.

Aldo was best Featherweight in the world for several years before Conor finally beat him. Only Max has a comparative resume. Max's resume is even better than Volk's
 
Typrune Goatley said:
They all came long after he was king.

You can sit here and say he was only 32 but you also forget Aldo turned pro at 17. He was already winning title fights for years before Max, Conor and Volk showed up.

Every champ will eventually lose his belt. It doesn't always mean the next guy is better than him. It usually means the champ is exhausted and worn out from trying to reach the top of the sport and then also defending his spot.

Aldo was best Featherweight in the world for several years before Conor finally beat him. Only Max has a comparative resume. Max's resume is even better than Volk's
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Would you put Volk ahead of Max resume wise if he regains the title against Lopes?
 
Söze Aldo said:
Becoming a two-time 145-pound champ, in addition to his current resume, would give him a great argument. But something feels off, considering how he lost the title in such a brutal way; and the guy who beat him also defeated the fighter Volk had his greatest victories over and made it look easier.
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When those fights happen matter. Volk is old for a FW and Holloway was much younger when they fought too. The 3rd fight wasn't close either. In fact Holloway looked good against Topuria until he got rocked. Obviously a finish is better than a shutout but Volk did dominate the 3rd bought. I just think you have to consider age and miles in all this.

It's the same thing with Aldo, the FW goat IMO, he lost to those guys when he was old for the division (more miles than age). I think the Mendes fight changed both guys tbh.
 
It's going to be hard. Age is a big factor for smaller fighters.
 
Would just be a paper champ who has that Dana White Privilege if Volk wins

Should have been Mosvar vs Lopes for the vacant belt
 
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Söze Aldo said:
It's a fair point, it just tends to be a rarity for a champ to lose the belt and then regain it at another time. So, it's an achievement in itself when that occurs.

People in sports like comeback stories so that plays into it as well.
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jones does that all over again and he doesnt lose lol
 
tasticles said:
These kids don't understand the amount of wear aldo already has by about 28. 30 isn't terribly young for a FW who has a bunch of previous injuries.
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Even some old haters earlier in the thread don't either.
 
Who gives a crap? Why does there always need to be a GOAT? Isn't it just enough to appreciate each fighter's accomplishment without some stupid subjective discussion that cannot be proven about which is better? For example, if one thinks Anderson Silva is better than GSP, does that somehow make GSP's career accomplishments less consequential?

STOP WITH THE STUPID GOAT DISCUSSIONS! There's no way to prove your subjective opinion, and all you do is devalue the career of the person who you DON'T think is the GOAT. Which is lane-ass bulls*it.
 
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Well, Volk never lost the status of GOAT FW. But, if you insist on your take TS, then fux yeah he does!
 
Dr Fong said:
Aldo is 0-4 vs Conor, Max and Volk, getting stopped in 3 and 30-27ed in the other - he wasn't just beaten, he was decisively beaten. All while 32 or under, so either in prime or very close to it.

And to top it off, Aldo's opponents never beat any of those guys either, going something like 0-10. So he can't even MMA math his way to a victory over one of them.

You simply can't have that kind of record against the other elite guys of your division and claim to be the best.
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Yup. Some black holes in there. Some of the losses (mainly getting knocked out within seconds against Conor while dead smack in the middle of his prime) were embarrassing.
 
HHJ said:
Who gives a fuck?

Was he the GOAT before he lost to Islam or was he the GOAT before he lost to Ilia?

If he WAS the GOAT, and then lost his GOAT status to some guy who defended his title one time, of what value is GOAT to begin with?

Greatest of two months ago....of the night!
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This.
If someone can come along and ko the long reigning champ and instantly take his GOAT status then it renders it meaningless.

As great as top is going to be, he's done f all at fw compared to volk Max and aldo.
If he isn't sticking around to defend his belt he's just another conor belt collector.
 
Ladron4sherdog said:
Yup. Some black holes in there. Some of the losses (mainly getting knocked out within seconds against Conor while dead smack in the middle of his prime) were embarrassing.
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The Conor loss is far less important than the Volk and 2 Max fights. A single reckless exchange in 13 seconds (where he also split Conor open) doesn't tell us much but the drawn out fights vs Max and Volk did.

There have been 4 UFC featherweight champions. Ilia has beaten two of them, Volk has beaten two of them, Conor has beaten two of them, Max has beaten one of them and Aldo has beaten zero of them, despite 4 failed attempts.

It makes no sense for these people to go around trying to convince themselves that Aldo was the best of all four, when this is very demonstrably not true.
 
Why would you get technical with this GOAT status shit?
If he's the greatest to you then he's the greatest, it's not like they give GOAT plaques to the official GOAT or anything.
 
Dr Fong said:
The Conor loss is far less important than the Volk and 2 Max fights. A single reckless exchange in 13 seconds (where he also split Conor open) doesn't tell us much but the drawn out fights vs Max and Volk did.

There have been 4 UFC featherweight champions. Ilia has beaten two of them, Volk has beaten two of them, Conor has beaten two of them, Max has beaten one of them and Aldo has beaten zero of them, despite 4 failed attempts.

It makes no sense for these people to go around trying to convince themselves that Aldo was the best of all four, when this is very demonstrably not true.
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Fair enough. And I can agree with all that.
 
I'm so torn on him fighting Lopes. I'm stoked to see it and it does make sense to a point, but here's my 2 cents, if Volk wins i think everyone is gonna have a hard time saying he's the undisputed champion even though Topuria is essentially gone. But, if Lopes wins, I can get behind the term "Undisputed" because Lopes doesn't have that loss to the champ. It sounds dumb, but my mind can at least say "Well, Lopes won the belt and didn't lose to Topuria ny KO last year." Volk would be rad, but there's that small asterisk next to Undisputed, at least until Volk gets a few wins. ....I don't know, I'm probably overthinking it, but it reminds me of Jon Jones getting stripped at 205 and everyone knew the Undisputed champ wasn't DC at the time even though it was what he was called.
 
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